Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

[Baezu]

Mastina, be chill my lady. You cannot be lynched rn. Your game is in night

[SirCakez]

I went over this earlier so quick summary - he fit some tell Molla has about scum immediately checking their own ISO, his catchup and subsequent posts seemed overtly concerned with getting votes off of him, his cases and posts have been bad (I called out some specific ones in my ISO)
And Jormun was really scummy but we all know that

The Amished tell doesn't quite fit in this scenario, I think. How do you know he checked the ISO and not just the votecount on replacing in? And I think the applicability of this tell varies per player (as do all generic tells), Vecna doesn't seem the type to do that more likely as scum. His pride and repeated calling of his "freestyle streams" as being towny doesn't feel like a scum move, really.

And yes, he was explicitly concerned about getting off lynch. He stated he's salvaging the slot, no?

I concede that Joe Burger was scummy, although even there we don't have access to completed town games to see how his scum meta matches up.

Parts where I'd have to check your ISO, later

-Stuxnet

I don't have any meta with Vecna so I don't know how his playstyle is affecting this. But I still see more scum motivation in his posts than town. "salvaging the slot" especially (I know this could be town but I'm not seeing it). And it fits really well with mastina!scum which is pretty much confirmed in my eyes (I know you disagree).

[Trojan Horses]

Can you point to some specific posts that show this?

You know, I went to his ISO and began quoting a lot of posts - can you take a look at it and tell me how much legitimate analysis he's offering (which in roleplay mode should be higher than normal, really) versus snark or noise?

-Stuxnet

[mastina]

Unless I missed something, this was a flashwagon that occurred after I made the first and only promise I have made to actually work on getting into this game rather than just complaining about how I couldn't

Yes and people think that for some reason I'd be aware of the exact number of votes that flashwagon had, that it'd be exactly 4/5, then would hammer you knowing that it wouldn't cause the thread to close and that I'd be instantly 1/2 lynches town would need to win as scum.

Sure sounds like it makes sense, doesn't it?

[Trojan Horses]

Shut up mastina

Could you and Mastina seriously NOT do this? It’s making the game unfun.

There's no we

I wanted to play this game in a very laid back manner and work with some of my favorite players of all time to solve the game and Mastina just quickhammered town and is doing her utmost to prevent me from being a townread. I'm killing scum. When she's gone I can approach the game differently.

It just seems that you and her had some falling out during TM and are carrying that into this game and it would really help if both of you would not continue to keep antagonizing each other in THIS one.

I think you’re both more likely than not tvt but your ongoing hostility towards each other, makes it near impossible to take either of your reads on each other seriously.

[mastina]

Mastina, why the hell did you hammer me

I didn't! I cast a vote on you. Under the impression you didn't have much of a wagon on you. A frustration vote, more than anything else, but also for pressure and as a statement of "okay I am now fine with jjh being wagoned".

[gobbledygook]

Unless I missed something, this was a flashwagon that occurred after I made the first and only promise I have made to actually work on getting into this game rather than just complaining about how I couldn't

Yes and people think that for some reason I'd be aware of the exact number of votes that flashwagon had, that it'd be exactly 4/5, then would hammer you knowing that it wouldn't cause the thread to close and that I'd be instantly 1/2 lynches town would need to win as scum.

Sure sounds like it makes sense, doesn't it?

You’re hyper aware of everything. You’re seriously claiming you didn’t know it was lolhammer?

[mastina]

If Mastina is town I'm reporting her for playing against win condition btw.

Good luck with that considering that I am 100% playing to win by lynching scum--scum which I happen to think is you.

[Trojan Horses]

I don't have any meta with Vecna so I don't know how his playstyle is affecting this. But I still see more scum motivation in his posts than town. "salvaging the slot" especially (I know this could be town but I'm not seeing it). And it fits really well with mastina!scum which is pretty much confirmed in my eyes (I know you disagree).

I'm making a judgment on his character from current play to arrive at that conclusion. And also, Amished tell involves ISO reading, do you see evidence of that? Also, another question - if you replaced into a slot would you not check a VC before diving in?

A Mastina scumflip would make me reconsider a lot of my solve, but I don't see how it fits with Vecna. What's the link?

-Stuxnet

[mastina]

Mastina voted you for that post
So yeah

Because it was an empty promise and jjh wasn't at immediate risk of being lynched as far as I knew.

[gobbledygook]

Frankly I do not buy that Mastina didn’t know it was hammer

[mastina]

Mastina should be EXTREMELY aware that posts like that come from scum!me and then I don't deliver on them
and posts like that also come from town!me and then I deliver on them

Yes to the first, no to the second. I don't think I've ever seen you make those posts as town, this many times in a game. Maybe you've made them once, then delivered.

But this was like your fifth time making that promise--why wouldn't I believe that's scum-you not delivering?

[Trojan Horses]

To be fair, it's also difficult for me to keep track of votes especially with all the cross-game votes

That is a good point, this game with its unique mechanics are really confusing.

Why are you voting Vecna?

@Vecna, can you link one of your scumgames? @Cakes too, preferably. I’m already familiar with SS and he played quite differently in PA so dunno. \_0_/

[mastina]

I'll claim this again
I'm in a hood with someone on Christmas
So cross game interaction is possible

And I'll claim this again.
I don't believe this and won't until I see who claims it.

[mastina]

Incredibly I am known for freaking out and OMGUSing people as town!

Since when? That's the antithesis of the RC I'm familiar with.

[Trojan Horses]

Yes and people think that for some reason I'd be aware of the exact number of votes that flashwagon had

You seem to be posting while not reading new content.
So how would you know if there was a vote on someone or not between the post you're currently reading and the actual current post?

Given you already judged sentiment against jjh... It's inherently a risky move to vote, no?

-Stuxnet

[gobbledygook]

I'll claim this again
I'm in a hood with someone on Christmas
So cross game interaction is possible

And I'll claim this again.
I don't believe this and won't until I see who claims it.

Ok. Please explain why RC would lie about this?

[Trojan Horses]

I went over this earlier so quick summary - he fit some tell Molla has about scum immediately checking their own ISO, his catchup and subsequent posts seemed overtly concerned with getting votes off of him, his cases and posts have been bad (I called out some specific ones in my ISO)
And Jormun was really scummy but we all know that

The Amished tell doesn't quite fit in this scenario, I think. How do you know he checked the ISO and not just the votecount on replacing in? And I think the applicability of this tell varies per player (as do all generic tells), Vecna doesn't seem the type to do that more likely as scum. His pride and repeated calling of his "freestyle streams" as being towny doesn't feel like a scum move, really.

And yes, he was explicitly concerned about getting off lynch. He stated he's salvaging the slot, no?

I concede that Joe Burger was scummy, although even there we don't have access to completed town games to see how his scum meta matches up.

Parts where I'd have to check your ISO, later

-Stuxnet

I don't have any meta with Vecna so I don't know how his playstyle is affecting this. But I still see more scum motivation in his posts than town. "salvaging the slot" especially (I know this could be town but I'm not seeing it). And it fits really well with mastina!scum which is pretty much confirmed in my eyes (I know you disagree).

Can you link/quote a game, where Mastina played exactly like this as scum?

[mastina]

I can't actually read Mastina and just assume she is town

Because it is an assumption that is disproportionately likely to be the truth.

Also, how to read me is really really easy.

Lurking, not contributing, stunted, stilted, artificial, precise, calculated, calm, cool, posting? Scumastina.

Hyperposting, pure chaos, randomness, flow, emotional posting?
That's me as town.

It works 100% of the time.

[mastina]

Ok but real talk if JJH is town that means Mastina is lockscum from my point of view and she hammered because she saw the writing on the wall.

OR.
I voted someone who I had good reason to believe was scum AND good reason to believe wasn't currently already being wagoned to L-1.

[mastina]

BBmolla is town I think, but I could be fooled

lol dude you've seen my scumplay
I'd be a lot more miserable if I was scum here

And yet you scumread me when this is doubly applicable to me.

[RadiantCowbells]

Can everyone tell Mastina to shut the fuck up please

If everyone does maybe this will stop

[Trojan Horses]

I'll claim this again
I'm in a hood with someone on Christmas
So cross game interaction is possible

And I'll claim this again.
I don't believe this and won't until I see who claims it.

Ok. Please explain why RC would lie about this?

What is your assessment of the whole RC/Mastina fight?

~N

[mastina]

If there's daychat I can't imagine what the scum thread looks like right now lmao

"Score! mastina lolhammered and we get a free mislynch on her D2 which gives us a free pass to lylo and allows us the chance to instantly win!"

[Trojan Horses]

Can everyone tell Mastina to shut the fuck up please

If everyone does maybe this will stop

I really don’t think this is helping. :/