Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

[Trojan Horses]

It MuSt be pure fear of that motion detecting

After I lynch your ass that shit creates townclears every night though.

Pretty stronk

no it doesnt

do you even know what a motion detector is

My role pm tells me my role is VERY STRONG and I need to be very responsible with it (lol, going great so far!) but then proceeds to tell me twice that I can only target people in my own game which is definitely halloween

What a great role PM

i lold

So Ceph how long have you been this god tier don Corleone scum God because this is the first I'm hearing of it

Well,

I

don't think Sushi's doing much as scum this game
Farside, you said I have a 80% noise to signal ratio in my ISO - I'd like to hear your assessment on Sushi.

-Stuxnet

i'm not doing much of anything! which is why it's so unbelievable to me that vecna suspects me for being a charming scum god succubus!

I think NSG is wrong on TH and they're just 2 scum honestly

If anyone actually believes this coming from town, and believes that someone still GENUINELY believes both me and TH are scum here, then please, buy a party hat and go wild and just live your live happy knowing you made me a sad sad boy

i guess my quarantine would be better with party hats

Wrt the bolded, don’t you think scum!Vecna would clearly understand his role?

[Baezu]

RC, could you please give me your reads on cakez?

Can you give me your own reads on Cakez, and after that, on everyone?

TH- I keep flip-flopping on this slot...some things they say are town and some are scummy as I recently pointed out

WANH- oka is spamming, FB is his town silly self. I dont think they would do this if they were scum. It draws a lot of attention to that slot

GIF- I thought Bernie was town, haven't played with her so I dont know her meta. If Gif gets in here and posts, I should be able to solidify this read

RC, gobbles- town

Jjh- seems town to me but what do I know

Mastina- another slot I've flip-flopped on. Atm I think she's town because I dont think she loses it like that if she's scum

Farside/amrun- not enough on this slot. Farside should be readable with enough content

Suichi- I've thought he is town. Some of you know his meta better...

NSG - not sure what to think here. I know her and Mastina are not both scum so when I think Mastina is scum then NSG is town and vice versa

Bbmolla - town

Lie Ren- seems town to me

Wonderwall I still think is scum. Ali normally posts lot more when they are town. They have no passion for this game and in their case I think it is AI

Vecna- town and a very likely mislynch. I think because of the jormun slot that didn't post much it would be easy thing for scum to get behind

Elmo- leaning scum because of PoE and their lack of posting

NM- fuck I dont know. They are so good as scum but FWIW I did not think DDL was scum when they left. Truly lost on this one

Cakez- I just think hes scum. I mean, nothing personal. I love the player but too many red flags for me in their ISO

What changed from here Baezu?

Walk me through it please

You started posting. At first I thought you were busy or catching up. But once you started posting, seeing how passive aggressive you're being and picking a fight with RC, etc. You're not being very townie imo

And the other 2? Mastina and TH?

Still think mastina is town. Still have no clue on TH

[Trojan Horses]

fmpov it's very obvious scum are part of the formation of this vecna-th-mastina bloc that is so obsessed with tearing rc down and that's pushed me to not bother analyzing my townreads on rc/nsg because i already feel that i understand the game

And what will you say, if all 3 of us flip town? We 100% will and I strongly expect both Mastina and Vecna to do likewise.

~N

[Baezu]

I'm 99.99% confident that RC's slot is town.

-bitmap

Me too

[Vecna]

If on the other hand you have a functioning BULLSHIT RADAR, can you all please join me in lynching this obvscum?

I'd prefer Sushi. Nancy doesn't want me to hardpush RC and thinks his play is NAI (specifically, tunneling obvtown) for him. I had a conversation about Bayesian inference but still
She has however authorized me to defend you :3

-Stuxnet

RC had a post that townpinged me and there was of course TM, where he faked a guilty on bleeding obvtown Duckling.

Yeah sorry for my shit, this crap really has a tendency to make me overreact and bring out the worst

It’s ok

Spoiler: spoiler

you’re still dying

You mean by NK or by lynch?

Lynch. I’m not really feeling the motion detector claim in light of RC’s claim and if you didn’t think he was town before his replacement, he’s definitely town now

Also, his claim was a lie dude

How do you know?

Because im town.

And in case youre doubting that, riddle me this: has your night phase already ended for him to have received a result?

[Jingle]

Vote Count #1.13
Halloween	Christmas
With 9 Alive, it is 5 to Lynch or No Lynch! Baezu (2): Lie Ren, SirCakez, Vecna (2): Shuichi Saihara, Radiant Cowbells, Shuichi Saihara (1): We are not helping SirCakez (0): Radiant Cowbells (0): Trojan Horses (0): Lie Ren (0): We are not helping (0): GuyInFreezer (0): Not Voting (4): GuyInFreezer, Baezu, Trojan Horses, Vecna,	Nighttime

[Jingle]

Prodding GIF.

[Baezu]

fmpov it's very obvious scum are part of the formation of this vecna-th-mastina bloc that is so obsessed with tearing rc down and that's pushed me to not bother analyzing my townreads on rc/nsg because i already feel that i understand the game

And what will you say, if all 3 of us flip town? We 100% will and I strongly expect both Mastina and Vecna to do likewise.

~N

So who is scum fypov TH?

[Trojan Horses]

Oh

I heard you were supposed to be goat town never heard anything about your scum game

So you would describe what Schuichi is doing this game as GOAT?

You believe her towngame is GOAT, thats what you heard.

And youre townreading her play here?

uh-huh

fmpov it's very obvious scum are part of the formation of this vecna-th-mastina bloc that is

so obsessed with tearing rc down

and that's pushed me to not bother analyzing my townreads on rc/nsg because i already feel that i understand the game

Hey this sounds very similar to
"i will consider them town because I don't understand a gamestate where they are scum"


-Stuxnet

It strikes me as kind of a white knighting RC post tbh.

Where are you even getting this from @Sushi? I have a slight tl on RC currently but he was also dead wrong on bleeding obvtown Duckling in TM and Ari and me were literally screaming about that in our hydra DC.

[Baezu]

Definitely waiting to hear from RC's replacement and vecna on their night results

[SirCakez]

UNVOTE:

[Trojan Horses]

Oh

I heard you were supposed to be goat town never heard anything about your scum game

So you would describe what Schuichi is doing this game as GOAT?

You believe her towngame is GOAT, thats what you heard.

And youre townreading her play here?

uh-huh

fmpov it's very obvious scum are part of the formation of this vecna-th-mastina bloc that is

so obsessed with tearing rc down

and that's pushed me to not bother analyzing my townreads on rc/nsg because i already feel that i understand the game

Hey this sounds very similar to
"i will consider them town because I don't understand a gamestate where they are scum"


-Stuxnet

It strikes me as kind of a white knighting RC post tbh.

Where are you even getting this from @Sushi? I have a slight tl on RC currently but he was also dead wrong on bleeding obvtown Duckling in TM and Ari and me were literally screaming about that in our TEAM DC.

[SirCakez]

Vecna won't have night results because Halloween is still in day

[Trojan Horses]

have no reason to deserve those reads

they do, though

it's possible to townread gif's slot based on their posting this game

i have a lot more posts and a fair number of transparent thought processes before i got tilted and stopped trying

again, this just means "i disagree so no one could possibly hold this opinion"

What has GIF done so far that isn’t NAI? Can you link/quote those posts please?

[Baezu]

Vecna won't have night results because Halloween is still in day

I thought he could cross game examine

[Trojan Horses]

This is a good example of you adding content to my posts that isn't there

I don't know what vecna believes and i don't live inside his head i can only read the words he posts and not the ones you retroactively assign to him

Why, sure. Let's read some of the words he posts.

If you really want to trust his reads, just ask yourself how it is possible his reads on

Ren lui

and

Schuichi

are so strong.

Also, help me see why you think RC is townreading you this hard, and

why youre not critical of him giving you such an easy townread

that he is willing to die for.

GAMMA EMERALD without the freeposting, the free flow of mind. He is lurking ffs. That is not town GE.

There is nothing produced by that slot that you can really accurately townread

. But I would love to see your reasoning.

Shouldn't be too hard for an ace detective, no, Sushi?

-Stuxnet

this is ridiculous

"how can someone possibly have confident reads on [players who have made plenty of posts]" is just a fancy way of saying "i disagree so you're scum"

this post is really bs but i don't have the energy to try to look smart dissecting it

i don't know why you think i'm going to iso vecna before responding to him and that's just for starters

Did you maybe miss the posts where RC directly stated "if you go after Ren Lui and Schuichi, while defending Trojan Horse I will find a way to make you scum and lynch you Vecna"

So sure, having reads is FINE.

Wanting to lynch other people for disagreeing with them requires a whole other level of certainty.

So yes, I am questioning that shit. And you are trying to reduce my posts to satire.

What is the post number? Can you link it? Okay, my confidence in Vecna town, just went through the roof, if this is indeed the case.

[Trojan Horses]

fmpov it's very obvious scum are part of the formation of this vecna-th-mastina bloc that is so obsessed with tearing rc down and that's pushed me to not bother analyzing my townreads on rc/nsg because i already feel that i understand the game

Hey this sounds very similar to
"i will consider them town because I don't understand a gamestate where they are scum"


-Stuxnet

the townreads already existed

this game currently feels to me like it has about 7 scum, i'm not about to go looking twice at my voices of reason until they turn out to be deeply wrong

Since I believe Jingle claimed 2 in each, you’d be at least wrongly sr 3 slots.

[Trojan Horses]

I didn't need to read Vecna's ISO to realize that he doesn't think LyLo Ren and you weren't towny.

exactly

he thinks those slots aren't towny

that does not make it reasonable to assert that no one could honestly think so

No but I don’t see how it’s scummy either.

[Trojan Horses]

Wanting to lynch other people for disagreeing with them requires a whole other level of certainty.

AND YET HERE YOU ARE TRYING TO CONVINCE THE GAME THIS IS WHY THEY SHOULD LYNCH RC

Cool, Sushi. If you believe that, then how is it obvious that Vecna-TH-Mastina bloc has scum? We townread each other, we all have posted a lot and transparently so - but you disagree with us, so therefore we're scum?



-Stuxnet

you're actually just trying to keep me tilted

mastina has never posted a transparent thought process in her life, she can't explain things, she just says "this radiates town spirit energy" in 470 different ways

you're scum because i scumread your posts, holy shit

god you're furstating

We’re town because our role pm literally says we are. Put that in your crack pipe but don’t forget to inhale.

[Trojan Horses]

you're actually just trying to keep me tilted

mastina has never posted a transparent thought process in her life, she can't explain things, she just says "this radiates town spirit energy" in 470 different ways

you're scum because i scumread your posts, holy shit

god you're furstating

RC's not able to explain his "hard townreads" on you and LyLo Ren.

You're scum because I scumread your posts.

Holy shit!

-Stuxnet

[Trojan Horses]

RC's not able to explain his "hard townreads" on you and LyLo Ren.

You're scum because I scumread your posts.

sure he is

good for you, i didn't say that wasn't allowed, although i do think you suck at this game if you're town
actually assuming you're auro i already thought you sucked at this game

He was town mvp in WF, just ask Gobbles.

[Vecna]

TH, no offence but I dont think its usefull if everyone in your hydra is going to repeat and comment on the same posts

[Trojan Horses]

mastina calls someone a domestic abuser? seems fine

this guy sucks at the game? WHOA THERE BOYO CALM DOWN DONT SAY HTAT

No one is saying that was fine.

[Trojan Horses]

Spoiler:

If we catch a scum, we may want to consider focusing on the other game for a bit as the probability of lynching scum in the other game is then higher.

Yes, but lynch the second scum and both towns win.

Purely mathematically Shuichi makes a good point, plus I feel like the power of associations would probably make it easier to find scum in the other game.

why is that?

I feel like once you lynch one scum you’ll have associations that probably are less carefully fabricated across the games. I understand the games are connected but my gut tells me the mafia will fail to play in a way that is fully aware of the breadth of that. Maybe I’m overthinking it, honestly.

@Gobbles: I think the game will declare us scum if we revealed one of our heads although, of course, incorrectly so.
Also, my scumhunting will probably turn much more aggressive and visible as the game progresses, you've seen it before

To NSG: I was referring to Nancy in this post.
She's unable to get herself to post right now due to a few reasons.
If she was able to, I'd absolutely be making her post if we were scum.

So nsg was right. That means I know two of the presumably three heads of Trojan Horses.

I think putting some thought into this, I want to call Trojan town off of this discovery. I’ve seen Nancy in a similar situation to this game as scum and it was rather different so I think because of that Nancy is most likely town here.

I mean thats Molla in a nutshell

Could you talk about what this was referring to? I might agree with you depending on what you say.

Really? Can you cite other instances of over-justification from my end?

I mean leaping to conclusions about why people suspect you.

It sounds basic, but I get guilty conscience from that.

I did mention the fact Nancy being inactive in a scum hydra tends to bring the hydra down, did I not?

Uh... because anyone scumreading even for wrong reasons is bad?

Same applies if I'm town, naturally, yeah?

Why wouldn’t you be able to read them properly if they were pushing you for that angle?

It's hard reading someone's mindset when they're making a push based on legitimate reasons.
It's easier catching scum making bullshit accusations (knowing I'm town) versus catching scum making what I think are legitimate accusations.

I believe there are ways to effectively catch scum pushing something for a legitimate reason. The key thing in my eyes is whether they go too far in their push or not far enough.

Anyway I am going to have to take break for some time because my day has been hijacked by Netflix.

Nice, pretty sure now Gamma is town for the bolded. I see 0 reason for scum!Gamma to make that comment.

~N

[Trojan Horses]

LR is the only lynch I am even slightly considering over Vecna btw