Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

[Trojan Horses]

Vecna!
Who should we be lynching?

-Stuxnet

[SirCakez]

I'm assuming level-0 read = surface-level?

Yes; I

can't believe

that you think that responding to a case is enough reason to townread someone.
I remember you were solving pretty well in Excalibur.

-Stuxnet

In combination with other Shuichi posts + the logic in that post yeah
And that game was ages ago I have changed since then. I've said this more than once.
If I started SRing Shuichi and voted him would you start magically TRing me?

Do you mean that in an alignment indicative way or not Fakez

My Churros comment? No I'm just teasing you back.

I'm waiting on Lie to finish catching up then I'll give intent

And youre really expecting that to happen before a new wagon appears?

Maybe? IDK. Not like there's a deadline.

[Churros]

I think he blows off the case. The engagement shows a desire to keep town together.

I had stopped paying too much attention to Cakez posting but I actually wanted to see why Trojan was changing his opinion and I can't give you a more bland reason to TR someone.

"desire to keep town together"

[SirCakez]

I can give you a blander reason if you want!

[Trojan Horses]

If I started SRing Shuichi and voted him would you start magically TRing me?

No, but if you showed some nuance and thought in your reasoning, I would magically start townreading you
You're great to engage with, but I can't shake off that your scumhunting feels fake!

-Stuxnet

[Churros]

I'm seriously laughing in RL after reading that reason for TR someone.

I'm gonna be beyond shocked if Cakez is town.

p-edit: You're vanilla flavored after all!!!

[Churros]

Did you choose Cakez because you like cakes by the way?

I love cakes as well, we could make small chat to be fair.

[SirCakez]

IDK what you're looking for from me then
I'm not the type of player to dig into people's ISOs and write up wall cases and analyze psychology
This is how I play

[SirCakez]

I'm seriously laughing in RL after reading that reason for TR someone.

I'm gonna be beyond shocked if Cakez is town.

p-edit: You're vanilla flavored after all!!!

are you an alt perchance?

[Churros]

I hate wall cases as well, it's just that it's such a weird reason being frank. I still feel like you're deciding slots alignments beforehand and only afterwards justifying a read on them, rather than the other way around.

[Trojan Horses]

Tell me, SirCakez, have you ever townread someone for responding to a case because they "have a desire to keep town together"?
Can you pull up at least a single instance from your towngames of doing that?

-Stuxnet

[Churros]

I'm seriously laughing in RL after reading that reason for TR someone.

I'm gonna be beyond shocked if Cakez is town.

p-edit: You're vanilla flavored after all!!!

are you an alt perchance?

If I ever played with you, I only played it once if that's what you're looking for.

I don't really remember any games we've had though, but I forgot 80% of my games already anyway.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Tell me, SirCakez, have you ever townread someone for responding to a case because they "have a desire to keep town together"?
Can you pull up at least a single instance from your towngames of doing that?

-Stuxnet

i get that you think meta is fun but this is practically a parody of you

"have you ever used this exact reasoning before?" cmon

[Vecna]

I really feel like just lolhammering here

I dont expect any lynch that we actually can achieve here to flip scum

[Churros]

Vecna, don't.

[SirCakez]

Sometimes I struggle to articulate things and I come off like that so I'll expand
Like if Shuichi is scum here he can ignore the case and move on and no one would really notice as that's how he's been playing the game. He obviously does not care about people pushing him and is quite snarky about it.
So why put the effort into responding to that case? It makes sense that he does want to explain himself to the town so that he remains listened to and isn't discredited.
I suppose you could say he does that as scum too but why draw attention to it and risk getting pushed more over it rather than just ignore it.

I also sense a lot of frustration with TH's constant spam accusations (and Auro I know you're not trying to be toxic but it's pretty annoying and putting me on edge so I can understand Shuichi's anger about it) so it's sort of a mindmeld thing too. Like "fine here'e your response now leave me alone and let me play please". It's not fun to play town while constantly being dogged by the most active player. It reads like pretty genuine frustration.

[farside]

fine, i'll respond as briefly as i can. i'm not interested in having another lengthy conversation, so if there's a response to this i'll be ignoring it.

It is not true that mastina was being maximally toxic all game. It very obviously got worse towards the middle. It's nice that you're apparently immune to toxicity, but if you can't tell that things got worse at a particular time, your brain does not work. I was doing my best to ignore mastina. I don't like playing with her. My comments about how I should've left the game when I found out we were all in one thread were because of her; I explicitly requested to be placed in the other game because I don't feel it's healthy for me to play with her.

It's probably true that my tone changed when I believed I would not have to deal with her anymore. Congrats, you've sherlocked the fact that I don't like mastina.
**

I won't deny that I've flipped my read on Vecna a lot. I don't think that's a big problem. I sometimes have an emotional reaction to being tunnelled on incorrectly. I may have been thinking about Jorm's posts more or less at a given time. I may have been swayed by RC. When the motion detector claim came out I thought it was more or less a scumclaim, but I'm considering now that scum may have more power than expected. Shrug emoji.
**

There is nothing fake about my emotions. I doubt I have ever faked an emotion on this website. Sorry that doesn't compute with the Logictron 5000.

There's more - including the shift in Sushi's play (now he's all solvey) after RC (who was shielding him from attacks) got replaced.

I openly stated I wanted you to leave me alone so I could play the game again. You did, so I did.

His unnecessary discredits of Mastina.

They weren't unnecessary. She should be discredited in every game that has to suffer her presence. She is useless at mafia.

His "townread" on RC (note that I'm not saying he

shouldn't

, look at his reasoning for it).

This doesn't mean anything.

His admission that he wasn't doing much, yet hostility towards people scumreading him.

Yes, usually people are happy about scumreads.
I am frustrated with you specifically because you are very frustrating in general. I got frustrated with you in WF too, so this shouldn't be surprising.

This post
It's reasonable and thought out. I don't think scum Shuichi of your conception responds like this

1 post doesnt equal town.

Do you know sushi's meta well?

[Shuichi Saihara]

i mean, apparently you can lolhammer in this game and nobody cares, so why the fuck not

[Churros]

There's currently progression in the thread, not sure if you're noticing it.

But if you insist do it, because if it flips town I can vote either Farside.

I could see Elmo but Elmo/Cakez don't feel like a team.

[SirCakez]

Tell me, SirCakez, have you ever townread someone for responding to a case because they "have a desire to keep town together"?
Can you pull up at least a single instance from your towngames of doing that?

-Stuxnet

Like this kind of posting is the exact thing that's starting to get me frustrated too. It's so nitpicky and specific and impossible and annoying to prove and frankly it's just a ridiculous way to pull apart reasoning.

I'm seriously laughing in RL after reading that reason for TR someone.

I'm gonna be beyond shocked if Cakez is town.

p-edit: You're vanilla flavored after all!!!

are you an alt perchance?

If I ever played with you, I only played it once if that's what you're looking for.

I don't really remember any games we've had though, but I forgot 80% of my games already anyway.

Your aggressiveness just reminds me of some other people I played with a long time ago

[SirCakez]

Don't hammer Lie now please

[SirCakez]

No I don't know Ceph's meta that well
Like I've said already I'm getting annoyed with the overreliance on meta in this game

[Trojan Horses]

Tell me, SirCakez, have you ever townread someone for responding to a case because they "have a desire to keep town together"?
Can you pull up at least a single instance from your towngames of doing that?

-Stuxnet

i get that you think meta is fun but this is practically a parody of you

"have you ever used this exact reasoning before?" cmon

Surely many people in his games must have responded to cases on them reasonably, no?
So if this is the first time he townreads someone just for that... well, something's fishy

If something appears very scummy from someone, but they did do it as town before, it weakens the weight of how AI it is.
For example, your AtE was poor and scummy, but apparently you do indeed get all emotional when someone pushes you, so even though scum motivation exists I can't say it's

particularly

AI

-Stuxnet

[Vecna]

I mean, GE is playing a bunch of other games and those are getting his attention.

The GE I know usually is quite invested in his large themes as town

[Churros]

Those emoticons are beginning to get charming.