Jigsaw's Revenge - Game Over

[Vecna]

(the above was in response to BM voting Blake belladonna twice)

[Vecna]

Hectic, BM, Blake Belladonna, maybe GE (4/5)?

[farside22]

Ooooo buzzwords and bitchness. A nerve had been hit.

i was kinda expecting that tbh

Yes Danyboy, why are you following the guy you CLAIM to suspect most, on his wagon of choice, rather than somebody you love and trust like me?

if i vote momo will u love me

Why were you expecting it?

zzzzzz

Anything you want to add to the game? Scum reads, who should be lynched?

oh lord, BM is openly scumclaiming

[Battle Mage]

Vecna seems a little panicky about the momo wagon? nailed 4 scum already?

[SirCakez]

Votecount 1.12

Hectic (5) - momo, Albert B. Rampage, davesaz, Almost50, iDanyboy
momo (3) - Hectic, Battle Mage, farside22
iDanyboy (2) - Elsa Jay, GuiltyLion
Drixx (2) - VaultDweller, Pine
xtoxm (2) - BBmolla, Morning Tweet
Battle Mage (1) - Vecna
BBmolla (1) - GeorgeBailey
Vecna (1) - Drixx
GuiltyLion (1) - Gamma Emerald
Pine (1) - pisskop
farside22 (1) - xtoxm

Not voting (1) - Blake Belladonna

(expired on 2020-05-01 15:10:00) remain until day end

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to reach a majority.

VaultDweller is V/LA through Tuesday, April 28.

"You'd be surprised what tools can save a life."

[Albert B. Rampage]

iDanyboy (2) - Elsa Jay, GuiltyLion
Drixx (2) - VaultDweller, Pine
xtoxm (2) - BBmolla, Morning Tweet
Battle Mage (1) - Vecna
BBmolla (1) - GeorgeBailey
Vecna (1) - Drixx
GuiltyLion (1) - Gamma Emerald
Pine (1) - pisskop
farside22 (1) - xtoxm

Pretty much all of these players voting should pick a side now. We are close to deadline. I'll try to get my thoughts out on Hectic by Tuesday or Wednesday.

Added spacing for clarity on request

[Hectic]

184 - Completely bizarre. Initially thought it was too out there to be scum, but then reconsidered that he could be aware of that, and the calculated way he pushes it makes it a little more scummy.

Genuine question. Earlier in this game, you called ABR scummy for going from townreading you to placing a vote on you.

You've now done the exact same thing to me.

Is it not scummy when you do it? Or were just using that as an excuse to get a wagon on ABR,

This is why my vote is on Hectic guys.

Why do you need to emphasise this with "genuine question"; are your other questions not genuine?

momo's 184 is incredible. That post from Morning Tweet is entirely NAI. Are reads like these common coming from momo? I've heard he has quite the reputation and would be considered a dark horse for this story.

momo - attack on the bat is so weird it's town, but depends on meta

Are you aware of the fact that what Elsa is suggesting is allowed by the rules? He's suggesting the Acolytes are split into two PTs, and I think it's a fair thing to speculate about given the ratio of scum to town in this game.

For example, we could have two groups of Acolytes that alternate nightkills. They may know each other but not be able to communicate. A lot is possible here.

The Paperwork Command is asking me to lower you on my reads list.

This is my progression on you earlier; I was always unsure about you. The basis of my worsened read on you now is from looking through your whole ISO. You're just the right amount of a supporting character that you're rarely in the spotlight while avoiding suspicion, so that the reveal still surprises us. You make a perfect Acolyte.

[Xtoxm]

farside is scum guys

[Albert B. Rampage]

farside is scum guys

Doesn't matter, vote Hectic.

[momo]

I'm in a PT with

Pine
momo - attack on the bat is so weird it's town, but depends on meta
Morning Tweet - maybe towny but might just be tone
Elsa Jay - awkward entrance, Bambi could be scum
Gamma Emerald - our savior and the protagonist of this story
VaultDweller
Vecna
iDanyboy - probably town
GeorgeBailey - GeorgeBailey
Drixx
davesaz - bit off
farside
Battle Mage - who knows with this guy
BBmolla
GuiltyLion - i will sheep GeorgeBailey
pisskop - natural and healthy
Albert B. Rampage - i reserve judgement for now
Almost50 - disliked joke response to my question, pointing out "crumb"
xtoxm - okay push on farside
Blake Belladonna - Hello.

184 - Completely bizarre. Initially thought it was too out there to be scum, but then reconsidered that he could be aware of that, and the calculated way he pushes it makes it a little more scummy.

Genuine question. Earlier in this game, you called ABR scummy for going from townreading you to placing a vote on you.

You've now done the exact same thing to me.

Is it not scummy when you do it? Or were just using that as an excuse to get a wagon on ABR,

This is why my vote is on Hectic guys.

I was always unsure about you.

Maybe, but the most definitive of your townreads initially in 236 is me. You can point out that you added the qualifier it depends on meta, but for everyone else you said something like probably town or likely town, yet for me, you said, its town. On top of that, the qualifier you gave was depends on meta, but u haven't done any meta diving, and as far as I can tell, other than Gamma saying that I've been a lurker in the past (sorry about that past) there's been no discussion about my meta. You're being disingenuous. You scumread ABR for doing the exact same thing as you did. That's terrible town play at best, or, more likely, scum.

[Almost50]

I second ABR's request to consolidate. All vanity wagoners need to switch their votes tp a wagon that has more than one other vote

[Hectic]

momo, I said that particularly play from you was essentially "too scummy to be scum", but it could just be scum. Albert said his OVERALL read on me was town multiple times, and is now 99% sure I'm scum. That's completely different from the situation you're trying to call me out for. I'm not concrete on you being scum, but I find you scummy enough to vote/push.

[A Spotted Sloth shaking his head]

[Morning Tweet]

Ooooo buzzwords and bitchness. A nerve had been hit.

i was kinda expecting that tbh

Yes Danyboy, why are you following the guy you CLAIM to suspect most, on his wagon of choice, rather than somebody you love and trust like me?

if i vote momo will u love me

Why were you expecting it?

From what ive noticed from other players reactions to momo early game, i felt like he'd probably be the type of player to have a negative response to being wagoned as either alignment

Hectic *could* be scum, but that's only because i dont have a townread on him, not for anything specifically. id ask for someone to explain it to me, but im going to reread for myself first. there better be something more than ABR saying "HECTIC CONFIRM SCUM"

[Morning Tweet]

oh lord, BM is openly scumclaiming

dude! i was just getting warmed up to him

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm gonna be getting a new phone soon so my general activity may shoot up or down

[Elsa Jay]

VOTE: Hectic

Sorry Mario. Seems your too sus to live.

[Battle Mage]

Hey Elsa, you misspelt Momo, twice!

[Hectic]

Hectic *could* be scum, but that's only because i dont have a townread on him, not for anything specifically. id ask for someone to explain it to me, but im going to reread for myself first. there better be something more than ABR saying "HECTIC CONFIRM SCUM"

As far as I can tell, that is pretty much it lol. I don't think I've ever been more confused about why exactly I'm being wagoned.

Elsa's vote is really bad. It's like when the cinematographer decides to put the lights in front of the cameras. Elsa, any reasoning?

[Hectic]

[A Cactus on a skateboard serving around several bear traps]

[farside22]

Ooooo buzzwords and bitchness. A nerve had been hit.

i was kinda expecting that tbh

Yes Danyboy, why are you following the guy you CLAIM to suspect most, on his wagon of choice, rather than somebody you love and trust like me?

if i vote momo will u love me

Why were you expecting it?

From what ive noticed from other players reactions to momo early game, i felt like he'd probably be the type of player to have a negative response to being wagoned as either alignment

Hectic *could* be scum, but that's only because i dont have a townread on him, not for anything specifically. id ask for someone to explain it to me, but im going to reread for myself first. there better be something more than ABR saying "HECTIC CONFIRM SCUM"

I didn't see him using buzzwords often when I checked is meta. Do you have a reference for him?

[Hectic]

*swerving

[Morning Tweet]

Bro Momo let me talk to actual people I can debate with. I'll talk to you later.

@farside i dont know anything about his buzzword use. i mean this post by elsa. i just figured momo would be a bit of a prickly cactus to push is all

[Battle Mage]

On a very serious note, I've just read Momo's ISO in 2 completed games where he was town. I'd describe him as bullish, a bit bossy, and fancying himself as the town leader (and slightly lazy - no offence!).

In contrast, his play here has been uncertain, with appeals to everybody else and using phrases like "honestly" and "genuine question" (neither of which formed part of his vocabulary in those town-games). Hectic has also realised and highlighted that, so gets upgraded to a Town-Lean for actually doing legit scumhunting.

Meta-cases are tricky because people change as time passes, but I don't think it's that common for somebody to go from being an authoritative and decisive town-leader, to a whimpering pleading town-passenger.

Momo is scum, and if you don't vote him, you're a dum-dum. The prosecution rests.

[Battle Mage]

Hectic *could* be scum, but that's only because i dont have a townread on him, not for anything specifically. id ask for someone to explain it to me, but im going to reread for myself first. there better be something more than ABR saying "HECTIC CONFIRM SCUM"

As far as I can tell, that is pretty much it lol. I don't think I've ever been more confused about why exactly I'm being wagoned.

Elsa's vote is really bad. It's like when the cinematographer decides to put the lights in front of the cameras. Elsa, any reasoning?

Don't worry dude, I think you're town.

[Battle Mage]

Momo - I honestly hadn't read this before I did my meta assessment of you, so erm... you're welcome!

I don't buy your tone below. It's sensationalist and not credible.

I'm in a PT with

Pine
momo - attack on the bat is so weird it's town, but depends on meta
Morning Tweet - maybe towny but might just be tone
Elsa Jay - awkward entrance, Bambi could be scum
Gamma Emerald - our savior and the protagonist of this story
VaultDweller
Vecna
iDanyboy - probably town
GeorgeBailey - GeorgeBailey
Drixx
davesaz - bit off
farside
Battle Mage - who knows with this guy
BBmolla
GuiltyLion - i will sheep GeorgeBailey
pisskop - natural and healthy
Albert B. Rampage - i reserve judgement for now
Almost50 - disliked joke response to my question, pointing out "crumb"
xtoxm - okay push on farside
Blake Belladonna - Hello.

184 - Completely bizarre. Initially thought it was too out there to be scum, but then reconsidered that he could be aware of that, and the calculated way he pushes it makes it a little more scummy.

Genuine question. Earlier in this game, you called ABR scummy for going from townreading you to placing a vote on you.

You've now done the exact same thing to me.

Is it not scummy when you do it? Or were just using that as an excuse to get a wagon on ABR,

This is why my vote is on Hectic guys.

I was always unsure about you.

Maybe, but the most definitive of your townreads initially in 236 is me. You can point out that you added the qualifier it depends on meta, but for everyone else you said something like probably town or likely town, yet for me, you said, its town. On top of that, the qualifier you gave was depends on meta, but u haven't done any meta diving, and as far as I can tell, other than Gamma saying that I've been a lurker in the past (sorry about that past) there's been no discussion about my meta. You're being disingenuous. You scumread ABR for doing the exact same thing as you did. That's terrible town play at best, or, more likely, scum.