Guns & Roses IV [Game Over]

[farside22]

im starting to think that theres one scum in {lilith, paragon, farside} based on recent interactions.

farside, so far it seems that you've read everything I've said as scum or NAI. could you be tunneling? What do you think the thought process of town!votato is? what do you think the thought process of scum!votato is?

Nope.
I don't know you as a player so I'm waiting to see what you do with what you got.
For example why is the interaction between me, lilith and Paragon look like there is scum in that group? Why did you call that group out among others that have been talking?

@farside, could you vote for nightmare please?

I think Knightmare is scum,I don't see it coming from scum. It's actually NAI, I have seen a few players try to do things like this but unfortunately it is more coming from town thinking then scum trying because 95% of the time people find it scummy to do mass claim.

EBWOP:

Scum reads:

Not enough to say either way:
Iconeum
SS
Votato
Vecna
Firebringer
eyestott

Scum reads:
Albert B. Rampage
SirCakez

A few spots haven't even really posted. SS hasn't said much other then defending himself and I would like to see more thoughts about the game. Votato I go back and forth on. Firebringer hasn't towned it up and eyestott hasn't said anything that isn't NAI,

Well its good to have a list that has odds of finding scum reduced.

In no order at all.

I either have no read, a gut read or scum read on the following players.

Albert B. Rampage
Iconeum
votato
Something_Smart
DonCorleone
eyestott

VOTE: abr

why u townreading cakez?

Its a light town read. His point on SS seemed a bit forced but i liked that he doesnt care if people fight with him. Id still keep an eye on him. See if he scum hunts more and whom he pushes.
My biggest negative is he didn't say anything about votato.

so far it seems like you have way to many scum reads (isnt that usually a scum tell) and also no town reads (isnt that also generally bad form?). Could you maybe elaborate a little bit on your reads?

I bolded the part you missed.
I don't talk about town reads. Anyone not listed is either town or light town. I don't put a preference in that category because I would rather not inform scum whom I find to be the most town and have them dead.
It's cute that you want to call something a scum tell but it isn't. For me it's NAI. I would do it as either alignment because as scum it leaves options, for town I'm still trying to wade through those I can't read and want more information to determine if they are scum or town.

[farside22]

im starting to think that theres one scum in {lilith, paragon, farside} based on recent interactions.

What does this mean?

the three of them are having an interaction I'm reading as being partially forced. I don't think its just a disagreement between townies. I think one is probably scum. Too much infighting, not enough attempt to collaborate. Especially from farside, again strengthening my growing SR on her. the read on their interaction is gut, I can't really point to anything specific in the text yet.

Please explain to the class who it looks forced? I don't accept vague comments.

[Something_Smart]

I'm not sure if I townlean ABR exactly but I guess he's at the point where I want to see what he does and not lynch him D1.

[lilith2013]

im starting to think that theres one scum in {lilith, paragon, farside} based on recent interactions.

What does this mean?

the three of them are having an interaction I'm reading as being partially forced. I don't think its just a disagreement between townies. I think one is probably scum. Too much infighting, not enough attempt to collaborate. Especially from farside, again strengthening my growing SR on her. the read on their interaction is gut, I can't really point to anything specific in the text yet.

“Too much infighting and not enough attempt to collaborate from farside” is a pretty contradictory statement to “farside is buddying lilith”

[Paragon]

Perhaps votato can highlight what he means by forced/argumentative!

[lilith2013]

Paragon is right Ico is scummy

Cakes please explain what you think is scummy about Icon

[farside22]

That reminds me I should really update my list:
Top is more on the null side bottom part are scum read.

Albert B. Rampage
Iconeum

votato
paragon
DonCorleone
eyestott

[Paragon]

I'm not sure if I townlean ABR exactly but I guess he's at the point where I want to see what he does and not lynch him D1.

Does he have some kind of reputation here?

[Something_Smart]

Does he have some kind of reputation here?

I believe he's known for having a loud and forceful thread presence, but that's not why I said that. I think his playstyle is interesting and seems potentially very effective.

[farside22]

I'm not sure if I townlean ABR exactly but I guess he's at the point where I want to see what he does and not lynch him D1.

Does he have some kind of reputation here?

Yes. With ABR it's a mixed bag. I've seen him be a town leader to lurkering.

[SirCakez]

im starting to think that theres one scum in {lilith, paragon, farside} based on recent interactions.

What does this mean?

the three of them are having an interaction I'm reading as being partially forced. I don't think its just a disagreement between townies. I think one is probably scum. Too much infighting, not enough attempt to collaborate. Especially from farside, again strengthening my growing SR on her. the read on their interaction is gut, I can't really point to anything specific in the text yet.

Ok I'm looking for follow-up here later

Paragon is right Ico is scummy

Cakes please explain what you think is scummy about Icon

I pretty much agree with what Paragon said
It's like they aren't really scumhunting

[lilith2013]

So are you saying votato’s post was genuine based on his tone or based on probability?

All reads are based on probability, so that one.

SS, I’m going to attempt to put words to my scumread on you now.

This entire game thus far I feel like you’ve approached others with a purely mechanical engagement, which prevents me from reading you as a person. In your back and forths with me you’re bringing up probability, you’re asking me rhetorical questions, you’re questioning my reasoning, but have yet to reveal what YOU are thinking or feeling about the players we’re talking about. It feels like you’re questioning people just to question people and it isn’t backed by your personal perspectives or you trying to follow up on your own reads. It’s like there’s a disconnect between you as a person and the posts you’re making. There were maybe a couple posts where I saw a glimpse of the person, but not nearly enough to change my read.

So that about sums it up.

[votato]

So are you saying votato’s post was genuine based on his tone or based on probability?

All reads are based on probability, so that one.

SS, I’m going to attempt to put words to my scumread on you now.

This entire game thus far I feel like you’ve approached others with a purely mechanical engagement, which prevents me from reading you as a person. In your back and forths with me you’re bringing up probability, you’re asking me rhetorical questions, you’re questioning my reasoning, but have yet to reveal what YOU are thinking or feeling about the players we’re talking about. It feels like you’re questioning people just to question people and it isn’t backed by your personal perspectives or you trying to follow up on your own reads. It’s like there’s a disconnect between you as a person and the posts you’re making. There were maybe a couple posts where I saw a glimpse of the person, but not nearly enough to change my read.

So that about sums it up.

could you quote a few posts that you feel are particularly mechanical? I'm reading but will respond properly to questions asked of me later on.

[Something_Smart]

SS, I’m going to attempt to put words to my scumread on you now.

This entire game thus far I feel like you’ve approached others with a purely mechanical engagement, which prevents me from reading you as a person. In your back and forths with me you’re bringing up probability, you’re asking me rhetorical questions, you’re questioning my reasoning, but have yet to reveal what YOU are thinking or feeling about the players we’re talking about. It feels like you’re questioning people just to question people and it isn’t backed by your personal perspectives or you trying to follow up on your own reads. It’s like there’s a disconnect between you as a person and the posts you’re making. There were maybe a couple posts where I saw a glimpse of the person, but not nearly enough to change my read.

So that about sums it up.

That is probably the most eloquently I've ever seen someone complain about my playstyle.

Sure. I will grant the truth of pretty much everything you said. I'm generally not forthcoming about the reasoning for my reads, primarily because it tends to create a much more structured and easy-to-follow conversation if I explain my reads only when someone cares enough to ask me about them, but also because I am lazy.

If you're scumreading me because I haven't been proactively sharing my reads and reasoning, then that's simply a playstyle thing. I did say that I thought you didn't know me as well as you thought you did, and I had a reason for saying so. It was this. I hadn't yet developed this playstyle when you were around before, and lots of people have bad reactions to it the first time they play with me.

If you're scumreading me simply because you don't KNOW where I stand, well, all you have to do is ask.

[lilith2013]

SS, I’m going to attempt to put words to my scumread on you now.

This entire game thus far I feel like you’ve approached others with a purely mechanical engagement, which prevents me from reading you as a person. In your back and forths with me you’re bringing up probability, you’re asking me rhetorical questions, you’re questioning my reasoning, but have yet to reveal what YOU are thinking or feeling about the players we’re talking about. It feels like you’re questioning people just to question people and it isn’t backed by your personal perspectives or you trying to follow up on your own reads. It’s like there’s a disconnect between you as a person and the posts you’re making. There were maybe a couple posts where I saw a glimpse of the person, but not nearly enough to change my read.

So that about sums it up.

That is probably the most eloquently I've ever seen someone complain about my playstyle.

Sure. I will grant the truth of pretty much everything you said. I'm generally not forthcoming about the reasoning for my reads, primarily because it tends to create a much more structured and easy-to-follow conversation if I explain my reads only when someone cares enough to ask me about them, but also because I am lazy.

If you're scumreading me because I haven't been proactively sharing my reads and reasoning, then that's simply a playstyle thing. I did say that I thought you didn't know me as well as you thought you did, and I had a reason for saying so. It was this. I hadn't yet developed this playstyle when you were around before, and lots of people have bad reactions to it the first time they play with me.

If you're scumreading me simply because you don't KNOW where I stand, well, all you have to do is ask.

None of these are right. Words are hard, will try again later

[lilith2013]

So are you saying votato’s post was genuine based on his tone or based on probability?

All reads are based on probability, so that one.

SS, I’m going to attempt to put words to my scumread on you now.

This entire game thus far I feel like you’ve approached others with a purely mechanical engagement, which prevents me from reading you as a person. In your back and forths with me you’re bringing up probability, you’re asking me rhetorical questions, you’re questioning my reasoning, but have yet to reveal what YOU are thinking or feeling about the players we’re talking about. It feels like you’re questioning people just to question people and it isn’t backed by your personal perspectives or you trying to follow up on your own reads. It’s like there’s a disconnect between you as a person and the posts you’re making. There were maybe a couple posts where I saw a glimpse of the person, but not nearly enough to change my read.

So that about sums it up.

could you quote a few posts that you feel are particularly mechanical? I'm reading but will respond properly to questions asked of me later on.

I tried to multi-quote but multi-quoting on mobile is a bitch and my post got erased. Will quote when I’m on a computer

[Something_Smart]

None of these are right. Words are hard, will try again later

Regardless, the last point still stands. If you want to know how I'm feeling about something, you can always ask. Just be warned, you're likely to get an answer of "it doesn't mean anything"

[lilith2013]

@SS: short version is I don’t think your play has changed as much as you think it has.

[lilith2013]

Okay I’ll have a list of 20+ questions prepared for you later

[chkflip]

You know what else is hard?

This mafia game.

[Vecna]

VOTE: Farside

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Farside

u have my attention on this bad vote.

[farside22]

VOTE: Farside

u have my attention on this bad vote.

<3

Idc about his vote.
I wonder how long it will be before Votato responds to the questions ask or how long his scum buddies will try to get him off the chopping block.

[chkflip]

Vecna is not vottato's scum buddy if that's what you're implying.

[farside22]

Vecna is not vottato's scum buddy if that's what you're implying.

Sorry if that was implied. I don't see Venca doing that. I was thinking more of Paragon in this regards.

I think Venca is just testing out things.