Guns & Roses IV [Game Over]

[DonCorleone]

Was meant to say “firebringer and cakez can answer that too” btw

[DonCorleone]

I'm not actually sure whether scum want to shoot for roses or guns. Shooting for a rose poses a decent chance of the shot being wasted, while shooting for guns are guaranteed kill-shots. I think it depends whether the rose elimination strat is viable, and I don't think it really is based on the number we have. Gun claims are probably just free shots for scum.

If we mass claim, scenario 1 or 4 never happens for obvious reasons. Scum are gonna claim so they don't confirm one of the pools. 2 would probably claim rose, and the other gun. Technically you can try and lynch the gun to clear the other guns, but I really don't think the payoff is worth it.

At this point, guns are so much more likely to hit town than scum, I reckon scum would be fine with leaving guns alive until they've 'thrown away their...
SHOT'
I think that waiting till 1 scum is dead is probably the best middle ground too.

except we dont know how many guns scum have!
what if they all claim rose, and manage to NK all three guns in night 1?

VOTE: eyetott

That's not a town mindset, it's scum trying to scare town.

I think there's a very real possibility Knight is scum trying to force a massclaim so he and his buddies can kill all the guns N1
VOTE: Knightmare491

Can you explain your line of thinking here, eyestott? Why did you go from “scum may leave the guns alive” to “scum may be trying to force massclaim to kill all the guns N1”?

[DonCorleone]

I think I made firebringer produce AI content in a game once but it wasn’t very pleasant and I’d really rather not here.

[Firebringer]

sounds kinky

[DonCorleone]

God, I wish.

[DonCorleone]

Can you at least do more amusing shitposting if we’re not lynching you todsy?

[Firebringer]

God, I wish.

u know it is

Can you at least do more amusing shitposting if we’re not lynching you todsy?

wow look at this person trying to get me to flame them.

im not falling into that trap, I CAN TELL U WANT IT!

[Firebringer]

MariaR/DonCoreleone and someone else for my last scum.

Asking why is probably a mistake but: why?

ur interactions with knightmare gave me the first scum ping I have had all gme. looked like ur were going for that easy scum push of "hey look I am pushing someone who is pushing a scum agenda. I am being townie"

[DonCorleone]

Wait, are you producing content, this feels like a trap

[Firebringer]

I never produce content. don't u go spreading lies around.

[DonCorleone]

Flip side, I guess that does make sense if you don’t believe my scumread on Knightmare was sincere. I know that it was, so why do you think it wasn’t?

[DonCorleone]

Okay, could I have some redundant word salad about the question I just asked that has no bearing on your actual inner thought state about the game?

[Firebringer]

Flip side, I guess that does make sense if you don’t believe my scumread on Knightmare was sincere. I know that it was, so why do you think it wasn’t?

because the way u did it how I have seen scum do it almost always? seemed the most like someone projecting an opinion rather than an actual one. More show, less genuineness.

I believe chkflip arguing against it calling it bad. U..no.

[DonCorleone]

Eh, okay

[Firebringer]

im almost intrigued by ur approach to me rn btw. Its very strange.

[Firebringer]

like a lot of aloofness/detachment from the questions involving urself. That ur probably trying to walk on ice maybe? Feels a bit awkward.

[votato]

also DonCorleone's avatar isnt wearing a hat. Talk about a scum tell.

[Firebringer]

where did u get that hat anyways?

[votato]

o. mine is a horn. definitely not a hat.

[Firebringer]

wwhhhhhhattt

I only townread u for ur hat and ur telling me its a horn now?!?!?!?!

WHY DOES IT HVE THT STRING ATTACHED THEN!

[chkflip]

I believe chkflip arguing against it calling it bad. U..no.

Rude?

[votato]

what string? theres no string. its not a carrot. i didnt get it at the grocery store. its a horn. im a unicorn. you can trust me.

[farside22]

Also, why do you think eyestott is scum @farside

Farside and cakez can answer that too.

Those voting him should make the case.

I mean you put him as your top scumread, why is this unreasonable to ask?

I want to see what Cakez says first if it's all the same.
Just be patient.

Sorry, I’m a bit confused what you’re asking for, farside. I have seen (and been) scum who felt that it was better to commit to something I’d said that was going down badly than to look like I didn’t sincerely believe that thing. Be that scumreading someone who was obvtown or insisting that behaviour that was of benefit to scum must be from a scum alignment. What does “hold that view with stats” mean?

Why would scum not plan ahead anyway? Day phase was delayed by about a day from when this thread went up and we know scum can discuss their choices in PT. One very likely explanation for the delay was scum speculating on what to take and trying to plan ahead, even given their lack of knowledge. Personally, I wonder if a rose may be slightly more likely even if suboptimal with scum assuming we’d see a gun-heavy game after the rose-heavy game last time.

By the TSTBS approach, I just mean that mass claiming is really obviously pro-scum in this setup and so pushing that initially and then continuing to push it is to push something obviously pro scum — then the WIFOM of “would scum actually push something so blatantly pro-scum” starts, and that’s what I mean by the TSTBS strat.

Well you answered my question basically. You see it as something scummy because it's something you have done. I mean if all knight does is do the breaking the game strategy and nothing more my read on him would change. Right now I thought he was deploying something that made sense to him, but in the long run it is a bad idea.
the TSTBS strat = (strategy) my phone has a tendency of auto correcting things and I don't do preview posting when I'm on my phone.

[SirCakez]

Also, why do you think eyestott is scum @farside

Farside and cakez can answer that too.

I said earlier that I dislike how they are flying around with votes and questions. Feels like they are not coming up with original thoughts. Like in 851.

[farside22]

In terms of eye he isn't making any real pushes.
Here is more of an opinion about knight. He doesn't give examples on why he see's this or what jumped out that made him think this.

The way he’s stuck to his guns about a massclaim strikes me more as “scum who has dug themselves into a hole so they keep digging down hoping they find a cave that leads back to the surface” rather than “town staunchly stickler to their pro-scum ideals”.
Also, he goes off at me for suggesting that maybe the scum all picked guns for the same night, when he ‘PRIVATELY’ asked about the viability of THIS EXACT THING, long before I even suggested it.

They do also get a factional kill, but good point.

i don't think they can multitask and shoot 4 players in a night.

I asked the mod yesterday, they can.

This was said after icon posted

I'm not advocating for your lynch, I'm just trying to understand your point of view.
Mind you, I don't mean your immediate lynch, but in approximately two weeks time.

He weakly jabs at Icon and then backs off. He reads as very subpar and even though I checked his games that are ongoing he isn't this quiet from what i can tell. He reads here as more under the radar.