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[The Limit Does Not Exist]

also I am voting Karnage in spirit but I imagine I still haven't earned wagon privileges yet

Vote who you want, we'll sort the wagon out when we decided conclusively who to lynch.

-Smart

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

Smart, what do you think about swapping out Nom and Karnage from the townbloc, and replacing them with Molla and one of Skitter/Lion?

Why are you asking me specifically?

If I were to build a townbloc it would look something like {Auro, acryon, maybe BBmolla, maaaaybe Karnage}.

If you're talking about who I think should be on the wagon, I think it depends on who's getting wagoned because for the purposes of allowing a TA check we're going to assume they'll flip town. So we should figure that out first. (And obviously, how people act once wagons start getting serious will help inform my read of them.)

-Smart

[Auro]

Cuz your smart???


I think dictating wagonz before the lynch is finalized could be a good thing, but you're right. Once town as a whole forms consensus and gets someone to L-1 with intent, we can wagon build then.

Do you townread anyone in Skit/GL though?

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

I don't put much stock in my ability to read either of them, especially early.

If I had to pick one I'd pick GL because he seems to be making largely reasonable points while skitter has been saying a lot of things that don't make sense.

...I may actually have just talked myself into reversing that, now that I think about it, because not making sense is usually a towntell and GL is known to have a very solid and logical scumgame.

-Smart

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

So, to sum it up: I have no clue.

Lilith played a fair amount with GL back in the day iirc, I'll see if she has anything on him.

-Smart

[Auro]

skitter has been saying a lot of things that don't make sense.

This is interesting; I felt the opposite from Skitter. Which parts?
(Pls none of the disingenuous/misrep/blah blah stuff again)

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

I mean... you can't ask me about something and then forbid me from talking about that thing. Of course we don't have to dredge it back up, but that's obviously what I'm referring to

Other than that, I don't know. That argument was the only really notable thing she's done so far.

-Smart

[Auro]

And not the defense of me, or attack on GL?

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

Lilith says she has a gut townread on GL based on his thoughts resonating with hers.

-Smart

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

And not the defense of me, or attack on GL?

Right, there was the push on GL. Now that you mention it I did remember that. I can't really find any reasons for it in her ISO?

-Smart

[nomnomnom]

I don't know I'm lost with this game and all these wallposts make me skip significant discussion
Karnage is like obvtown right? What made you doubt about him?

Are you skipping everything, or just the walls? I think the number of walls is much smaller than you make it out to be.

honestly I'm kinda skipping everything at this point and I just want a flip all this stuff is meaningless to me.
Just make someone flip I'm sick of this.

[Auro]

I do not at all think that is an emotion that props up in this gamestate. We're only 36 pages, there's a lot of rich content, some walls but not a lot... what's there to be sick of?

Why is all this meaningless? What would make it *meaningful*? Or do you generally think D1s are always meaningless, and you claim to play the same way every game?

[Auro]

What prevents you from saying "I'm sick of this, just get me one more flip" after D1, D2, D3...?

[nomnomnom]

What prevents you from saying "I'm sick of this, just get me one more flip" after D1, D2, D3...?

We get a flip and the gamestate advances.
Right now it feels stagnant and I hate these phases where it feels like I'm reading pages and pages, I retain nothing out of it that was useful in terms of sorting and so on and so forth.
It often happens in larges and sometimes I just replace out if that type of gamestate is sustained, like in undertale.

[Auro]

I disagree with that evaluation. Many pushes are happening, the gamestate is progressing well.

Okay; let's take your current desired lynch, and assume they flip town. That's a gamestate progression. What now? Please tell me what this information would gain for you in terms of a solve.

I think Skitter and GuiltyLion both are town.

[Auro]

Because Eve is more scummy in tone and that has the tendency to make people think "scum" instantly.
She still could be scum ultimately speaking, in this gamestate. If I had a vig shot I'd shoot her right now.
I might compromise on Eve if needed today.

VOTE: Eve

Also, please explain the vote change to Eve, given your earlier stance only listed her as a compromise.
What did Allo do that got you to move off?

[skitter30]

VOTE: nom

[Karnage]

I'm sorry I didn't have a good last couple of IRL days so I couldn't bring myself to really do anything here.

I will try to get back with it today

[Karnage]

Maybe Karnage would be a better lynch.

Thats understandable

The progression of null->town->null of his Allo read feels disingenuous

But that's not. The last "null" read was me saying I'd lynch allo over eve, not a change in my read

[Karnage]

VOTE: Eve

This vote does not jive with your ISO to this point

honestly I'm kinda skipping everything at this point and I just want a flip all this stuff is meaningless to me. Just make someone flip I'm sick of this.

But does scum really say this? besides I've had this thought as town a lot of times

[acryon]

I don't know I'm lost with this game and all these wallposts make me skip significant discussion
Karnage is like obvtown right? What made you doubt about him?

Are you skipping everything, or just the walls? I think the number of walls is much smaller than you make it out to be.

honestly I'm kinda skipping everything at this point and I just want a flip all this stuff is meaningless to me.
Just make someone flip I'm sick of this.

Ok I really hate this attitude, and it's not pro-town. If the game is stagnant, it's because we're lacking input from people that could be providing it. I can understand being frustrated with walls, but there's plenty to comment on outside of those. I mostly skimmed the walls, and frankly the walling in this game hasn't even been notably bad IMO.

I think we need to hang Allo or Eve, and check nom/Karnage off the wagon if we don't get scum.

[acryon]

VOTE: Eve

This vote does not jive with your ISO to this point

honestly I'm kinda skipping everything at this point and I just want a flip all this stuff is meaningless to me. Just make someone flip I'm sick of this.

But does scum really say this? besides I've had this thought as town a lot of times

It could be theater, and based on nom's experience level, I wouldn't put it past her. Maybe she actually did lose track of the game as either alignment, but if you're town you make an effort; what you don't do is blame other people for making the game hard to read. But if you're scum it's a lot easier to just do that, not take responsibility for falling behind, and avoid having to put together a story.

[Karnage]

It could be theater, and based on nom's experience level, I wouldn't put it past her. Maybe she actually did lose track of the game as either alignment, but if you're town you make an effort; what you don't do is blame other people for making the game hard to read. But if you're scum it's a lot easier to just do that, not take responsibility for falling behind, and avoid having to put together a story.

It COULD be theater but I'm just saying I've been there as town so it should probably be NAI.

[acryon]

It could be theater, and based on nom's experience level, I wouldn't put it past her. Maybe she actually did lose track of the game as either alignment, but if you're town you make an effort; what you don't do is blame other people for making the game hard to read. But if you're scum it's a lot easier to just do that, not take responsibility for falling behind, and avoid having to put together a story.

It COULD be theater but I'm just saying I've been there as town so it should probably be NAI.

But to be fair, I think there's a difference between what you two are doing. You have taken responsibility for falling behind; she is blaming others. You are opening yourself up to criticism and scrutiny; she is passing the buck.

[acryon]

I don't have a problem with getting frustrated/struggling with some amount of wallposting. Especially as someone who is only available during the day on weekdays, I know the difficulty of trying to catch up with a mountain of content.

I just don't see the town in her recent responses.