Guns & Roses IV [Game Over]

Firebringer · Post Post #1450 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:19 am

In post 1447, Vecna wrote:Didnt DC destroy the maria wagon?

He was also heavily appealing me to change my opinion there

yeah DC destroyed maria wagon. ABR destroyed eyescott wagon.

Now we are all like all over map with ABR and DC wagons

farside22 · Post Post #1451 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:20 am

In post 1441, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1439, farside22 wrote:
In post 1425, lilith2013 wrote:This is a horrible counterwagon to ABR
Agreed.

I blame fire for giving abr an out.
I regret nothing but not getting my eyescott wagon.

also abr is still town

Sigh, only if betting as still allowed.
You do you babe.

Firebringer wrote:can we all just agree to lynch maria?

YES
VOTE: maria

chkflip · Post Post #1452 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:20 am

I can see a world where DC and lilith are partners, at least.

Vecna · Post Post #1453 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:20 am

In post 1448, lilith2013 wrote:
In post 1443, Vecna wrote:Blame yourself and lilith into pissing me off enough to support this
you were advocating for DC to die before I said anything but way to misrep

Throwing up hypothetical scenario's and asking opinions on situations =/= advocating

If it actually was what I wanted to happen id be going about it entirely different.

Firebringer · Post Post #1454 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:21 am

ABR just shoot DC.

VOTE: MariaR

farside22 · Post Post #1455 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:21 am

In post 1450, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1447, Vecna wrote:Didnt DC destroy the maria wagon?

He was also heavily appealing me to change my opinion there
yeah DC destroyed maria wagon. ABR destroyed eyescott wagon.

Now we are all like all over map with ABR and DC wagons

Abr was the one who went rogue attacking lilith and myself, helping maria out

Vecna · Post Post #1456 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:22 am

I will also hammer maria

farside22 · Post Post #1457 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:22 am

In post 1454, Firebringer wrote:ABR just shoot DC.

VOTE: MariaR

This^^^^

Vecna · Post Post #1458 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:22 am

although I dont think the scumteam is simply DC + Maria + Cakez

that seems too simplistic

Vecna · Post Post #1459 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:23 am

In post 1457, farside22 wrote:
In post 1454, Firebringer wrote:ABR just shoot DC.

VOTE: MariaR
This^^^^

OOOOOH

so if they lynch YOUR scumread and then shoot DC its all fine huh?

You advocating it is all fine n dandy

I should probably wait with this post to see if lilith also will jump all over this statement, but im sure that wont happen anyway

farside22 · Post Post #1460 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:24 am

In post 1458, Vecna wrote:although I dont think the scumteam is simply DC + Maria + Cakez

that seems too simplistic

Knight could be added to any list. He is mia in regards to this game

votato · Post Post #1461 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:24 am

In post 1440, lilith2013 wrote:
In post 1432, votato wrote:
In post 1421, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1419, votato wrote:UNVOTE: farside. Either ABR is town, and then probably right, or scum, in which case this is a really bad play. Why would scum be this aggressive pushing 1 townie? Worst case ABR is town and wrong, but then we still probably find out tonight with NKs. this is wayyyy better than any of the other wagons, and even if DC flips town, this is real progression. I don't know any of you, but im leaning towards lilith being naive and town, with farside giving intentionally bad reads. Farside is in queue for at least one other game, so doesn't currently feel overwhelmed. If play is subpar for her, its probably on purpose. Vecna flip-flop is a bit odd, and vecna does some off somewhat as tyring to sheep-without-sheeping this game. He has been reading most people the same way town~majority does, iirc. VOTE: doncorleone
why it seem like ur copying pasting and mixing other peoples opinions.
because the last few pages have been a bit over my head. I don't know anyone's meta. I don't really know what the fuck I'm doing. But based on probabilities, this is my synthesis of what other people have said. I think you'll find some of my own thoughts in there. The main point (my reasoning for sheeping ABR) is my own, and i haven't heard anyone else articulate it. And i think I've been pretty consistent in going after lilith and farside. That shouldn't come as much of a surprise.

pedit: im not scumreading vecna, he just pinged me a bit. I'm just noting my thoughts, although vecna I'll grant you that. Was prolly just a bad read or maybe i got you confused with someone else. Its the hair throwing me off maybe. you should put a hat on. I'll retract my statement about vecna, at least for now.
ok so how did you conclude with voting DC? are you scumreading him and why?

ABR convinced me. I don't know any of you, I have no personal bias towards any of you. Consider it an outsider's perspective. Like I said in the initial post, it seems like following ABR here has little downside. worst case we get a lot of progression/info from flips. But ABR seems really convinced, and unless he was sure he was gonna get lynched, this seems like a really bad play for ABR!scum. At this point ABR is either getting NKd or lynched tomorrow. He's very convinced, so I'm willing to go along with it, at least until someone presents an actual argument as to why hes wrong. so far people just seem to be panicking and saying "no, you're scum! you're scum!"

and whats up with hotdog recently?

farside22 · Post Post #1462 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:25 am

In post 1459, Vecna wrote:
In post 1457, farside22 wrote:
In post 1454, Firebringer wrote:ABR just shoot DC.

VOTE: MariaR
This^^^^
OOOOOH

so if they lynch YOUR scumread and then shoot DC its all fine huh?

You advocating it is all fine n dandy

I should probably wait with this post to see if lilith also will jump all over this statement, but im sure that wont happen anyway

I dont believe abr is town. Im calling his bluff.
Apparently you can only read abr.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #1463 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:26 am

In post 1449, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1445, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 1437, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1435, Albert B. Rampage wrote:You. You had your chance to lead this town, did I get in your way? No, I did not.
u actually did. U single handedly destroyed my eyescott wagon because DC was pushing u.
You fucking let DC railroad me into a momentum-gaining bandwagon with farside, Sircakez and Lilith dude. I give you my nightkill but don't derail DC.

I am 100% obligated to tell town who I shoot tonight before the hammer, scum can't do nothing about it and town will get info day 2.
okay how about this u shoot in eyescott or maria tonight and ill vote with u on Don today.

Tht good?

Good. I will do a deep dive into isos and bring valuable insights this town needs to make an informed, objective, calculated, intellectual DonCorleone lynch today.

I don't want to "make" anyone vote anyone they don't feel good about voting, I want each one of you to be presented with DC's worldview and my worldview and make your own decision on how our alignment guided the actions that have led us here.

In post 1454, Firebringer wrote:ABR just shoot DC.

VOTE: MariaR

Listen to what I have to say first. If I don't convince you, do what you want but I am not changing my vote and I am not helping you lynch anyone else today, I am sorry.

votato · Post Post #1464 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:26 am

In post 1462, farside22 wrote:
In post 1459, Vecna wrote:
In post 1457, farside22 wrote:
In post 1454, Firebringer wrote:ABR just shoot DC.

VOTE: MariaR
This^^^^
OOOOOH

so if they lynch YOUR scumread and then shoot DC its all fine huh?

You advocating it is all fine n dandy

I should probably wait with this post to see if lilith also will jump all over this statement, but im sure that wont happen anyway
I dont believe abr is town. Im calling his bluff.
Apparently you can only read abr.

walk me through the bluff from his perspective? what does he gain/lose?

farside22 · Post Post #1465 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:27 am

In post 1461, votato wrote:
In post 1440, lilith2013 wrote:
In post 1432, votato wrote:
In post 1421, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1419, votato wrote:UNVOTE: farside. Either ABR is town, and then probably right, or scum, in which case this is a really bad play. Why would scum be this aggressive pushing 1 townie? Worst case ABR is town and wrong, but then we still probably find out tonight with NKs. this is wayyyy better than any of the other wagons, and even if DC flips town, this is real progression. I don't know any of you, but im leaning towards lilith being naive and town, with farside giving intentionally bad reads. Farside is in queue for at least one other game, so doesn't currently feel overwhelmed. If play is subpar for her, its probably on purpose. Vecna flip-flop is a bit odd, and vecna does some off somewhat as tyring to sheep-without-sheeping this game. He has been reading most people the same way town~majority does, iirc. VOTE: doncorleone
why it seem like ur copying pasting and mixing other peoples opinions.
because the last few pages have been a bit over my head. I don't know anyone's meta. I don't really know what the fuck I'm doing. But based on probabilities, this is my synthesis of what other people have said. I think you'll find some of my own thoughts in there. The main point (my reasoning for sheeping ABR) is my own, and i haven't heard anyone else articulate it. And i think I've been pretty consistent in going after lilith and farside. That shouldn't come as much of a surprise.

pedit: im not scumreading vecna, he just pinged me a bit. I'm just noting my thoughts, although vecna I'll grant you that. Was prolly just a bad read or maybe i got you confused with someone else. Its the hair throwing me off maybe. you should put a hat on. I'll retract my statement about vecna, at least for now.
ok so how did you conclude with voting DC? are you scumreading him and why?
ABR convinced me. I don't know any of you, I have no personal bias towards any of you. Consider it an outsider's perspective. Like I said in the initial post, it seems like following ABR here has little downside. worst case we get a lot of progression/info from flips. But ABR seems really convinced, and unless he was sure he was gonna get lynched, this seems like a really bad play for ABR!scum. At this point ABR is either getting NKd or lynched tomorrow. He's very convinced, so I'm willing to go along with it, at least until someone presents an actual argument as to why hes wrong. so far people just seem to be panicking and saying "no, you're scum! you're scum!"

and whats up with hotdog recently?

Dear child, the wifom for day 2 has so many possibilities.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #1466 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:28 am

In post 1462, farside22 wrote:
In post 1459, Vecna wrote:
In post 1457, farside22 wrote:
In post 1454, Firebringer wrote:ABR just shoot DC.

VOTE: MariaR
This^^^^
OOOOOH

so if they lynch YOUR scumread and then shoot DC its all fine huh?

You advocating it is all fine n dandy

I should probably wait with this post to see if lilith also will jump all over this statement, but im sure that wont happen anyway
I dont believe abr is town. Im calling his bluff.
Apparently you can only read abr.

Hey farside, did you read my iso in the game I linked earlier?

The meta you said you had of me is I lurk a lot right? So I want you to read that very quick iso so we can talk about it after. Let's work together to figure this out.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #1467 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:30 am

In post 1395, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Anyone who thinks this is my scum game READ THIS FUCKING GAME

viewtopic.php?t=66574&f=56&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

I linked this for you farside. Let's talk about every reason you have to suspect me and I promise you that by the end of our conversation, I will have put a bit of doubt in your belief that I'm scum.

lilith2013 · Post Post #1468 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:31 am

In post 1453, Vecna wrote:
In post 1448, lilith2013 wrote:
In post 1443, Vecna wrote:Blame yourself and lilith into pissing me off enough to support this
you were advocating for DC to die before I said anything but way to misrep
Throwing up hypothetical scenario's and asking opinions on situations =/= advocating

If it actually was what I wanted to happen id be going about it entirely different.

What is this then? Sounds like you're trying to convince ABR to shoot DC

In post 1353, Vecna wrote:Lets lynch cakez and give ABR the joy of shooting DC tonight

In post 1355, Vecna wrote:VOTE: SirCakez

Cmon ABR, you cannot possibly hate on the idea of shooting DC

farside22 · Post Post #1469 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:32 am

In post 1464, votato wrote:
In post 1462, farside22 wrote:
In post 1459, Vecna wrote:
In post 1457, farside22 wrote:
In post 1454, Firebringer wrote:ABR just shoot DC.

VOTE: MariaR
This^^^^
OOOOOH

so if they lynch YOUR scumread and then shoot DC its all fine huh?

You advocating it is all fine n dandy

I should probably wait with this post to see if lilith also will jump all over this statement, but im sure that wont happen anyway
I dont believe abr is town. Im calling his bluff.
Apparently you can only read abr.
walk me through the bluff from his perspective? what does he gain/lose?

Lets say scum abr has a gun, that give scum more then one kill night 1. Abr can claim the one he did and scum get to kill town free of charge.
Scum abr is free day 2 for shooting who he claim. Scum get 3 dead townies by day 2.
That is all scum need is to lynch town.

votato · Post Post #1470 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:36 am

In post 1469, farside22 wrote:
In post 1464, votato wrote:
In post 1462, farside22 wrote:
In post 1459, Vecna wrote:
In post 1457, farside22 wrote:
In post 1454, Firebringer wrote:ABR just shoot DC.

VOTE: MariaR
This^^^^
OOOOOH

so if they lynch YOUR scumread and then shoot DC its all fine huh?

You advocating it is all fine n dandy

I should probably wait with this post to see if lilith also will jump all over this statement, but im sure that wont happen anyway
I dont believe abr is town. Im calling his bluff.
Apparently you can only read abr.
walk me through the bluff from his perspective? what does he gain/lose?

Lets say scum abr has a gun, that give scum more then one kill night 1. Abr can claim the one he did and scum get to kill town free of charge.
Scum abr is free day 2 for shooting who he claim. Scum get 3 dead townies by day 2.
That is all scum need is to lynch town.

can you make an actual case against abr then?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #1471 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:37 am

Farside, I will bring up posts you made

only yesterday

.

In post 1106, farside22 wrote:Cakez moves up on the scum radar.
Weeeeeeee

You agreed with me Sircakez was scummy.

In post 1115, farside22 wrote:Sigh.
I swear im going to just lurk the rest of this game day

You agreed with me that laying low was a valid town strategy.

In post 1122, farside22 wrote:
In post 1121, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1119, SirCakez wrote:some have it more than others
some never have it
this sounds deep.

anyways, u should be voting eyestott buddy
In post 1120, chkflip wrote:Did she lose her smile?
yes
Meh
VOTE: eyestott

You agreed with me that eyestott was a meh vote but we both half-heartedly voted him for like a second...we were both looking for someone better to vote.

In post 1143, farside22 wrote:
In post 1138, DonCorleone wrote:Catching up, but farside I don’t understand your progression on me — I thought I was a SR for you, what did I do since then to not be in your solve?
Your not my highest scum read, but im not town reading you.

We were both not town reading DC.

In the past 24 hours we have been looking at the game with similar lenses. I am angry because of what you did in the last two hours, but I want to let that anger go and understand how we could be so aligned and then you think I'm scum.

Is there a small part of you that thinks confirmation bias is playing a role? Can I really be that great of a scum actor, or am I actually town, and we both see things similarly?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #1472 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:44 am

Let's look together at page 46.

Eyestott is the leading bandwagon, MariaR is gaining momentum.

Firebringers' and Lillith's top lynches are in play!!! Looks like the town leaders are about to get what they want, right?

But scum have other plans.

Who derails those wagons? It's DC.

In post 1135, Iconeum wrote:
In post 988, MariaR wrote:THE DOUBLE SCUM TAG TEAM OH BABY I LOVE THIS. Live interaction is my stick lets go, sweeties,
VOTE: Maria

triple team Tbag?

In post 1136, farside22 wrote:
In post 1135, Iconeum wrote:
In post 988, MariaR wrote:THE DOUBLE SCUM TAG TEAM OH BABY I LOVE THIS. Live interaction is my stick lets go, sweeties,
VOTE: Maria

triple team Tbag?

Sweet!!

VOTE: maria

the not so super secret scum reads

Spoiler:
mariah, abr, venca

Just wanted that in here to see how many I have right by end of the game. Feeling good with my list there.

In post 1137, Firebringer wrote:VOTE: mariar
lets get something going

In post 1138, DonCorleone wrote:Catching up, but farside I don’t understand your progression on me — I thought I was a SR for you, what did I do since then to not be in your solve?

In post 1144, DonCorleone wrote:
In post 957, MariaR wrote:I actually really like eyesctott they're coming back from a break or something if I read that correctly and the tone of there posts is really light and relaxed. Like they're just kinda here ya know? I don't see any agenda in their posting. So that raises the question is scum sitting back and just letting these wagons go?

Maybe. Might I suggest a Vecna Farside or Lilth wagon in the meantime? Lets put some life into this game!
I think this post is either (1) town realising that scum are happy with the current wagons because they’re not being voted or (2) scum who has a buddy under suspicion and who is trying to break up the gamestate through advancing the line that scum are happy with the gamestate and therefore a new wagon should happen

In post 1147, DonCorleone wrote:
In post 997, MariaR wrote:Please let me know what question if yours I'm not directly answering so you can stop using buzzwords. That'd be lovely
Hmm, maybe Maria is town

In post 1148, DonCorleone wrote:I kind of have that feeling that I’m going to end up with egg on my face for once again saying “hmm, X very good scumplayer seems town” but what can ya do

At least I don’t have the embarrassment of being wrong yet again on my main!

In post 1150, DonCorleone wrote:
In post 1011, votato wrote:
In post 1008, MariaR wrote:That was a great game the bp was amazing ah, fond memories fun game.What were you scumreading about my slot before this Vecna?
attempt to pocket?
If she wants to pocket Vecna why does she begin by scumreading him?

In post 1161, DonCorleone wrote:Can we lynch ABR now?

In post 1162, DonCorleone wrote:VOTE: ABR

ISO · Post Post #1473 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:45 am

In post 1395, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Anyone who thinks this is my scum game READ THIS FUCKING GAME

viewtopic.php?t=66574&f=56&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

Wait what. I was totally expecting that to be a scumgame because you played so differently there from here.

lilith2013 · Post Post #1474 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:45 am

@ABR:

what are your current reads on votato and SS? (637, 691 for SS; and you called votato obvscum in your second post)
what has changed about Cakes that you're now scumreading him?
why do you call me & DC scum in 1271 and also say you prefer to vote farside in 1056, and then in 1334 switch to Cakes/DC as scum with me and farside as "sheeping town" - can you explain the progression on these slots?

In post 1402, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Why not vote DC today? I think its pretty spot on that the most active players, most helpful looking goody two shoe heres my scheduled content post with quotes and explanations and soft hesitations are the ones trying hardest to look town because theyre scum.

Or can't they literally just be town who are trying hard? Like your argument here for scum!DC is "he looks to towny to be town." Do you have other reasons for calling him scum?