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Post Post #1225 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2020 8:20 am

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Post Post #1226 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2020 8:21 am

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I am interested in advancing MY reads, not yours, so I could give less of a fuck about 5 pages where you "1v1" someone and I retain nothing out of it because it serves no interest to me, it might as well not exist and I certainly haven't made progress.
If we lynch someone other than me it should be Eve, Karnage, allo or skitt. First 3 because the gamestate lends itself to scums being profiting from this situation, and skitt because I seriously am starting to doubt she would misread me this hard as town.
pedit: If me skipping posts is antitown then so be it. I can't be assed. I said I just wanted a flip, I've been honest, I haven't made any progress. I want my own progress in this game. I can't make progress with pointless posts. There's so many useless posts in this game. For real. I've also done it in the game Auro is talking about and I don't know why he's confused about this game considering that the game he's talking about, I prodged for a fucking week straight lol
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Post Post #1227 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2020 8:22 am

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And lo and behold, I also got suddenly scumread in that game for that same reason! Who would have thought!!!
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Post Post #1228 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2020 8:23 am

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So how were you advancing your own reads on slots apart from Allo/Eve?

Ok; I asked this once and got ignored, but I'll ask again: Say Allo flips town. This is a progression by your standards. Now who does this point to?

Can you cite posts from the "confused" game implying your confusion stemmed from a lack of ability to read the game, rather than people behaving weirdly?
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Post Post #1229 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2020 8:24 am

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How is it that you can be so confused (which means your reads are weak this game) while simultaneously knowing enough to decide which posts are "useless" and "pointless"?
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Post Post #1230 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2020 8:24 am

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In post 1226, nomnomnom wrote:pointless posts. There's so many useless posts in this game.
Take any random page, and cite the useless posts in there for me. Thanks :P
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Post Post #1231 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2020 8:28 am

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"Some of the apples are rotten, but I have no idea which bushel they're in."
"Maybe you could check the bushels over here?"
"Those bushels are useless."

Well we don't know until we look do we?
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Post Post #1232 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2020 8:28 am

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In post 1228, Auro wrote:So how were you advancing your own reads on slots apart from Allo/Eve?

Ok; I asked this once and got ignored, but I'll ask again: Say Allo flips town. This is a progression by your standards. Now who does this point to?

Can you cite posts from the "confused" game implying your confusion stemmed from a lack of ability to read the game, rather than people behaving weirdly?
If allo flips town I'll think about this game in the night and reread the thread, that's what I always do. That's also how I caught Titus in the game we played together: we lynched a slot, we had a flip, I reread the game, I thought to myself Titus was the best cop shot, and she was scum. I do this every game.
Also I'm not sure what you're referring to with that second question, and I certainly don't have an ace memory to remember every single thing I posted in every single game, but I have a lot of phases in games where I just skip a lot of posts and I'm not even ashamed to admit it. I do it every single game, big last game I remember doing this in is team mafia, I just skimmed through like 7 pages of thread at some points.
In post 1229, acryon wrote:How is it that you can be so confused (which means your reads are weak this game) while simultaneously knowing enough to decide which posts are "useless" and "pointless"?
I don't see how the two are incompatible?
Say you see two people discuss about matter that both town and scum could discuss and it doesn't point towards anything. That doesn't help, at least it doesn't do so immediately. So if that happens for a while, it's just posts that serve no purpose in
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scumhunting, which stems in my confusion especially since a few slots just seem to lurk away this gamestate. D
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Post Post #1233 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2020 8:30 am

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Do you know why I skim through big portion of posts and single tidbits of discussions? Because the micro portion of mafia is not how you catch scum. It's the macro portion of mafia, the bigger picture, analyzing the gamestate. The micro portion only becomes helpful when you specifically look for things like interaction when you have a few flips to work with. That's why I do it. I like how I do things, but apparently a lot of people don't :P This is just how I play.
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Post Post #1234 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2020 8:32 am

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Everyone can sustain a micro discussion with enough competency, whether it is town or scum, but what scum can't do is eternally hide on a macro level.
This is why I don't understand people who eternally focus on posts, make extremely long posts that serve no purpose, etc... because they think they're probably doing something, but from a solving pov it serves absolutely no purpose, at least in how I see the game.
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Post Post #1235 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2020 8:34 am

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So do you have any macro-comments on the gamestate leading up to the wagon on you?
If you've already stated before, sorry, I skimmed them :P, please re-summarize.
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Post Post #1236 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2020 8:34 am

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In post 1233, nomnomnom wrote:Do you know why I skim through big portion of posts and single tidbits of discussions? Because the micro portion of mafia is not how you catch scum. It's the macro portion of mafia, the bigger picture, analyzing the gamestate. The micro portion only becomes helpful when you specifically look for things like interaction when you have a few flips to work with. That's why I do it. I like how I do things, but apparently a lot of people don't :P This is just how I play.
I can certainly appreciate that, but because you can die any night you need to be able to play the short- and long-game. You can't forsake the former for the latter.
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Post Post #1237 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2020 8:39 am

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In post 1235, Auro wrote:So do you have any macro-comments on the gamestate leading up to the wagon on you?
If you've already stated before, sorry, I skimmed them :P, please re-summarize.
Well, I've already said it before: in this gamestate, the scums are either lurking away until my lynch happens, or profiting from this confusion to scumread me. I haven't had a lot of defending, so from a logical perspective, scum *should* be in lurkers or the ones that are pushing my lynch, which leads to eve, allo, karnage and skitt. I still am not sure about Karnage at all but from a macro perspective right now he totally could be scum and I could settle for a lynch there, certainly. I think Eve is totally in her scumrange from what I read in Skyrim, so that's why I did a radical 180.

Also I need to point this out again, but Eve had me on ultra town spot after Acryon and limit in and suddenly switched on me. That's why I want that slot now. I don't do radical 180s for nothing. I think scum's in there for sure.
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Post Post #1238 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2020 8:41 am

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VOTE: Eve
This is what I propose as a wagon. I think from a read progression and macro standpoint she's the sketchiest in the mix I posted.
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Post Post #1239 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2020 8:42 am

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Sorry, I phrased wrongly: macro gamesate reads before you got wagoned.
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Post Post #1240 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2020 8:43 am

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In post 1238, nomnomnom wrote:VOTE: Eve
This is what I propose as a wagon. I think from a read progression and macro standpoint she's the sketchiest in the mix I posted.
Actually to your point, I'm now remembering that I questioned Eve on this and she just straight-up never responded...
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Post Post #1241 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2020 8:45 am

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But why would Eve say your responses looked genuine and change the vote off of you?
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Post Post #1242 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2020 8:46 am

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I'd honestly need to re-read the game I think to give a 100% accurate opinion on that, but to me it felt like Smart/you were just having a lot of posts together (which is what I was referring to when I said walls) and scums were just waiting patiently. Makes sense still, methinks.
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Could also be pretending to hesitate and all, done it before.
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Post Post #1243 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2020 8:49 am

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I feel like Eve has a similar game to mine, which is why I instantly jumped on the "mislynch bait" explanation when people started scumreading her for tone, because that's what people do with me sometimes.
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Post Post #1244 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2020 8:50 am

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Then again if you're doubting on Eve, I have the other slots I mentioned as compromise. We don't have all day.
If you seriously can't trust me, then I guess my lynch is inevitable. Maybe my guidance will be helpful then if my word can be trusted.
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Post Post #1245 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2020 8:53 am

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In post 1244, nomnomnom wrote:Then again if you're doubting on Eve, I have the other slots I mentioned as compromise. We don't have all day.
If you seriously can't trust me, then I guess my lynch is inevitable. Maybe my guidance will be helpful then if my word can be trusted.
Well I can't trust you right now, but if we get more of you tomorrow and you're town, I think the town is better off.

My opinion is back to Nom goes in the copbloc we lynch Allo.
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Post Post #1246 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2020 8:56 am

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I think Allo is the weakest in the list I posted, actually, probably because of the tone. Something about that strikes me more townie? I don't know. Still have some doubts.
I'd be something like Eve > karnage=skitt > allo in terms of my own personal preferences.
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Post Post #1247 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2020 8:58 am

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Eeeeh, maybe Karnage a big higher.
Eeeeeeeeh, I'm starting to see he could legit be scum honestly.
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