Guns & Roses IV [Game Over]

[Iconeum]

i mean it's gonna take a LOT of convincing to get me to shoot my townread

[farside22]

VOTE: lilith

[Albert B. Rampage]

i don't think lilith flips scum tho

Its either lilith or maria.

Chk is town farside is town

Votato and eyestot are easier to figure out later

[Albert B. Rampage]

i don't think lilith flips scum tho

So what about maria?

[DonCorleone]

Idk why chkflip is town

[farside22]

I'd vote eye but I'm concerned because I don't know if it's chkflip or eye as 3rd scum.
Icon: would you shot venca?

[DonCorleone]

What was the VC like when vecna hit L-1?

[DonCorleone]

VoteCount 2.3

Vecna [3] - farside22, MariaR, lilith2013
votato [1] - chkflip
lilith2013 [1] - votato

Not Voting [5]

- Iconeum, Vecna, eyestott, Albert B. Rampage, DonCorleone

With 10 alive it takes 6 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-05-12 15:35:31)

Was it this only eyestott and then votato got on?

[DonCorleone]

Vecna (5) — farside, maria, Lilith, eyestott, votato
Votaro (1) — chkflip
Eyestott (2) — ABR, DonCorleone

Not voting (2) — icon, vecna

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yes

[DonCorleone]

If chkflip isn’t scum then it means that either all 3 scum committed on the push, or vecna is scum who was being double bussed

[Vecna]

How can Vecna be scum when literally anyone that could be scum just brought him to L-1? He is clearly town.

Scum don't bus? Since when?
He is using Ad hom logic and literally is buddying you.
The writing is on the wall and not voting venca is a declaration of being his scum buddy.

Why would scum bus at mylo following you?

All the conftown are off the wagon. That tells me something.

He's being wagoned!!! There is no reason not to vote there. They can now push a mylo based on your logic.
You want to vote lilith and we can go back to this discussion that is fine, but there is no way I believe he is town. He litterally is using a false "Why would i do that as scum" BS that scum fucking do all the fucking time!
If you could see how much I'm just looking at you ABR like you have lost your mind to listen to him as he pushes Maria and me as scum.
There is obviously no way for him to come up with a good scum team because he would have to point to his own freekin scum buddies. That is how deep that shit is that he stepped in.

*grumbles*

At every point where ive been discussing connections, Ive stated that you and Maria are unlikely

And town theorize about what they would and wouldnt do as scum all the time. Its a great way to show people using flawed logic

[Albert B. Rampage]

If chkflip isn’t scum then it means that either all 3 scum committed on the push, or vecna is scum who was being double bussed

Yes thats what happened.

[Albert B. Rampage]

we learn nothing from vecna lynch today

[Vecna]

DC, I have your solve. I think you'll find its a pretty decent blend of reads from me and the IC's.

Ive worked it out in my mind while taking a shower

The scumteam is Stotts + Lilith + farside

[farside22]

VoteCount 2.2

Vecna [3] - MariaR, DonCorleone, farside22
votato [1] - chkflip
lilith2013 [1] - votato

Not Voting [5]

- Iconeum, Vecna, eyestott, Albert B. Rampage, lilith2013

With 10 alive it takes 6 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-05-12 15:35:31)

If chkflip isn’t scum then it means that either all 3 scum committed on the push, or vecna is scum who was being double bussed

Why it doesn't clear venca.

How can Vecna be scum when literally anyone that could be scum just brought him to L-1? He is clearly town.

Scum don't bus? Since when?
He is using Ad hom logic and literally is buddying you.
The writing is on the wall and not voting venca is a declaration of being his scum buddy.

Why would scum bus at mylo following you?

All the conftown are off the wagon. That tells me something.

He's being wagoned!!! There is no reason not to vote there. They can now push a mylo based on your logic.
You want to vote lilith and we can go back to this discussion that is fine, but there is no way I believe he is town. He litterally is using a false "Why would i do that as scum" BS that scum fucking do all the fucking time!
If you could see how much I'm just looking at you ABR like you have lost your mind to listen to him as he pushes Maria and me as scum.
There is obviously no way for him to come up with a good scum team because he would have to point to his own freekin scum buddies. That is how deep that shit is that he stepped in.

*grumbles*

At every point where ive been discussing connections, Ive stated that you and Maria are unlikely

And town theorize about what they would and wouldnt do as scum all the time. Its a great way to show people using flawed logic

Hard disagree about your "flawed logic"
Who are your scum reads and why?

[Vecna]

I don’t mind if you scumread me, I just hope it’s for stuff here.

I don’t scumread you though. I actually hard, hard townread you, I’m just worried I’m wrong because it always feels shitty when I hard townread scum.

Is there like a law of mafia or something that says “the greater the townread on a player known to be good at scumplay, the greater the paranoia you will feel”?

Why do you think I was so suspicious about you and harping on about you being RC?

[chkflip]

VOTE: lilith

Hungover. Glad people are getting tf off Vecna wagon. I'm not ready to fight 3 ICs off of that, yikes on several bikes.

[DonCorleone]

I think that’s potentially unlikely, that we have a pool of exactly (farside, Lilith, Maria, votato, eyestott) but IF that is it I think there is almost certainly scum in (eyestott/votato) for when and how they got on, and because I don’t see a (farside, Lilith, Maria) team

[Vecna]

Anyways, give me 1-2 hours or so to write up a case with my reasoning and logic.

Im being dragged onto the balcony for icecream n pine apple right now

[Vecna]

I think that’s potentially unlikely, that we have a pool of exactly (farside, Lilith, Maria, votato, eyestott) but IF that is it I think there is almost certainly scum in (eyestott/votato) for when and how they got on, and because I don’t see a (farside, Lilith, Maria) team

Farside, Stotts, Lilith

be back soon to write a book about my logic

[DonCorleone]

That’s cool, I gotta go do some shit, I’ll check back later

I actually think chkflip looks p scummy atm, and think he makes a lot of sense with vecna!town, if that’s what it is. He’s hard defending for the towncred once he’s proved right, but I don’t think there’s necessarily any reason to think vecna looked as town as he was calling it as early as he was

Overall disagree that vecna is a low information lynch too

[farside22]

The scum team is Maria + Chkflip

And one out of (Farside + lilith + Stotts)

and I really dont want it to be stotts so my townreads on D1 at least were good

And chkflip has been pretty objectively towny

but my gut......it screams

My gutreads? Its you + farside + a third

Im not certain where and if im wrong

the one thing I do know is me surviving is the best thing I can work towards, since that will improve town odds a lot more than just spewing reads in which I have very low confidence myself atm. The fact im at least admitting my reads are shit-tier atm already makes them better than everyone faking bravado and voting me full of confidence. Because you really shouldnt be expecting me to flip scum.

Im surprised that you or anyone else would think I actively go about attacking our ICs though. Without a plan to back that up. Ive been constantly stuck in the mindset that scum WOULD eventually cc the gun guys, because not doing so is just not sensible. Why give everyone a 50% PoE when we have a lynch and another gunshot? Having 1 person do a proper gun claim changes the odds to hit scum to 25% in the gunpool and 33% in the rose pool. its a fucking stupid scum strategy, but they sure got me to look like a buffoon by using the suboptimal approach.

Vecna this is the current problem I have, let us just ignore the other day because that's beating a dead horse.

Your mindset here doesn't really seem towny to me. Hell, you even stated the reason why. We don't know the spot of the game we're in we could be in auto loss could be fine could be who knows. But, you're so worried about your own lynch and own viewpoints instead of putting out your scumreads. We have 3 ics who can talk over reads and 1 that has a gun.

Giving out your scumreads right now is what we need to do and talk it over because end of the day it's 3v7 and I would like to think most of us are logical enough to relook at the game if needed. So what are these reads of yours

Okay, but you’re not giving me an actual solve, you’re giving me who might be in it and who’s conditional on being in it

Which 3 names right now do you think are most likely to end the game if we lynched/shot them all back to back?

Maria, Farside and one of stotts/votato

But I say that having no proper read on lilith whatsoever

I dont ever admit this, but my solve feels like shit this game

So yeah, im sure we'll see each other in the god thread soon and we can discuss where this all went wrong

How can Vecna be scum when literally anyone that could be scum just brought him to L-1? He is clearly town.

Scum don't bus? Since when?
He is using Ad hom logic and literally is buddying you.
The writing is on the wall and not voting venca is a declaration of being his scum buddy.

Why would scum bus at mylo following you?

All the conftown are off the wagon. That tells me something.

He's being wagoned!!! There is no reason not to vote there. They can now push a mylo based on your logic.
You want to vote lilith and we can go back to this discussion that is fine, but there is no way I believe he is town. He litterally is using a false "Why would i do that as scum" BS that scum fucking do all the fucking time!
If you could see how much I'm just looking at you ABR like you have lost your mind to listen to him as he pushes Maria and me as scum.
There is obviously no way for him to come up with a good scum team because he would have to point to his own freekin scum buddies. That is how deep that shit is that he stepped in.

*grumbles*

At every point where ive been discussing connections, Ive stated that you and Maria are unlikely

And town theorize about what they would and wouldnt do as scum all the time. Its a great way to show people using flawed logic

Just going to put this here as showing why venca is lying.
He didn't say that it was unlikely until Maria pointed out about the fights from day 1.
Now it's maria for some uknown reason and Venca continues to ignore saying about about lilith.
So if liith scum/ this is her scum buddy.

*drops mic*

[chkflip]

There's a difference between "they make sense as scum" and "I want them to flip scum" so make sure it's the former if you want that sweat bro.

i was expressing a feeling, i don't hard scumread you

Nah I get it. I was just expressing that I'm not gonna really fight about taking a bullet N2 if you feel that's your best shot. Like I wouldn't be mad if that's what you did regardless.

[farside22]

I think that’s potentially unlikely, that we have a pool of exactly (farside, Lilith, Maria, votato, eyestott) but IF that is it I think there is almost certainly scum in (eyestott/votato) for when and how they got on, and because I don’t see a (farside, Lilith, Maria) team

Farside, Stotts, Lilith

be back soon to write a book about my logic

You should vote lilith then.