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[SirCakez]

VOTE: persivul
scumlord

[SirCakez]

VOTE: persivul
scumlord

Cakez, are you the person I had an epic mylo 1v1 with? I can't remember for sure.

definitely could be

[SirCakez]

VOTE: lucky
Hate his page 2

Clidd is trying way too hard

[SirCakez]

talk to me farside

[SirCakez]

not crazy about Klick's ISO. three "serious" vote hops already.

[SirCakez]

hoctac related to Hectic?

[SirCakez]

Umlaut already trying to derail the quickly growing wagon on his scum buddy.

Page 1 solve: Persivul + Umlaut

Damn you're good, game over folks.

talk to me farside

How about less vague stuff. Other scum reads? Why multi votes look scummy?

It's page 4 I don't have too much yet
Persivul has not posted anything AI yet
Clidd's posts were difficult to read tbh so I need more.
Jury is out on Hoctac
Etc

Only things I have seem that pinged are what I have pointed out on Lucky and Klick

[SirCakez]

You're trying to trap me into giving a response you can spin as scummy no matter what I say.

But fine, I will indulge you: I believe I already answered your question in 110. He tried not to look serious about a RVS wagon on him and then suddenly turned serious on me.

I actually think this post is kinda townie. I know some read Hoctac as scummy and they are indeed really awkward.

not crazy about Klick's ISO. three "serious" vote hops already.

Do you think scum are more likely to switch their vote around early than town?

Depends on the player and game state
In the context of this game I read Klick's movement as scummy

13. SirCakez - comes in and out of the conversation a couple of times, never posting anything relevant to the conversation.

I take offense to this

Atarashi bothers me a little bit but I don't know how to describe it.

[SirCakez]

farside's posts so far read like Doubles so I'm inclined to TR her.

[SirCakez]

I think it's the way they are approaching the game. It's like overtly methodical townie. Like their whole ISO is questions and little answers. It feels unnatural.

[SirCakez]

the Hoctac interaction mainly

[SirCakez]

Can you explain why klicks votes in context read scummy. I thought about 1 I could see that example.

It seems like Klick's just trying to find traction somewhere. I don't really see the town thought behind the constant movements.

[SirCakez]

I am following along but I don't feel I have much to offer rn
I don't remember any Ragman posts tbh so null there.

[SirCakez]

not crazy about Klick's ISO. three "serious" vote hops already.

Do you think scum are more likely to switch their vote around early than town?

Depends on the player and game state
In the context of this game I read Klick's movement as scummy

But you said you were reading my ISO, implying you weren't using the context of the game to come to that read.

Yes but I'm aware of the gamestate and how it's progressing, and was when I read your ISO
I also checked out a few posts in context by clicking on them directly (the votes)

@cakez: why no response to klick? Any other scum reads?

I meant to earlier but forgot
Not much progressing for me
Might reread the game

[SirCakez]

I feel like i did when i created a game where everyone had 2 votes that they could use to either vote a player twice or split their votes between 2 scum reads. If i could do that I'd vote for cakez too right now.

Talk to me about this read because I'm not seeing Cakez scum at all. He could certainly be efforting more (hey Cakez, you really need to effort more) but he just seems like low-energy town. His tone is pretty free and his impressions of the game look natural and unforced, and he's transparent about being sort of lost.

Cakez makes more of an effort typically. The lack of follow through and really good reads or free following thoughts are missing from him.
IE: this game not the typical town cakez.

I'm disengaged :/
Trying to effort more now

brassherald is not improving my read on the Atarashi slot. Hate that entrance.
I like Lucky's recent posts better. I think it's plausible that he just had foot in mouth.
Klick has done nothing to improve my read there so
VOTE: Klick

[SirCakez]

would like to see Zulfy progress past the Lucky push from opening

[SirCakez]

valoneast reads really earnest and town. Like he wants to get back into scumhunting.

[SirCakez]

brassherald is not improving my read on the Atarashi slot. Hate that entrance.

I'm sorry you don't like my stand up specials, I also do magic.

I give you a 2/5 stars on netflix

[SirCakez]

I feel like i did when i created a game where everyone had 2 votes that they could use to either vote a player twice or split their votes between 2 scum reads. If i could do that I'd vote for cakez too right now.

Talk to me about this read because I'm not seeing Cakez scum at all. He could certainly be efforting more (hey Cakez, you really need to effort more) but he just seems like low-energy town. His tone is pretty free and his impressions of the game look natural and unforced, and he's transparent about being sort of lost.

Cakez makes more of an effort typically. The lack of follow through and really good reads or free following thoughts are missing from him.
IE: this game not the typical town cakez.

I'm disengaged :/
Trying to effort more now

brassherald is not improving my read on the Atarashi slot. Hate that entrance.
I like Lucky's recent posts better. I think it's plausible that he just had foot in mouth.
Klick has done nothing to improve my read there so
VOTE: Klick

Pretty sure the Atarashi slot is town.

?

[SirCakez]

Pretty sure the Atarashi slot is town.

?

You don't know how heavily I was targeted on my old site. I still talk to Atari outside of mafia on a daily basis. He's my DM in D&D. Scum!Atari would see the easy lynch on me and join it to rub it in my face later. Especially because he knows how much I hate getting misrepped. I only see scum!Atari defending me under some crazy pretense that the players in this game, with how poorly they've handled my opening, would then buy an offsite meta driven push against him after I flip green. I also think that scum!Atari prefers town!Lucky dead rather than alive. I see him defending me as having massive opportunity cost from his perspective.

I will keep this in mind

Let me help more. What about Luckys post did you like?
What is your thoughts about chldd/lucky interaction?

it was 263 mainly. it seems like real scumhunting.
I think Lucky looks a lil townier in the interaction. clidd is kind of off in it. I think the TPR discussion is bad. Like why dig into that?

UNVOTE: LuckyLuciano

He's looked a lot more towny in these posts and I sort of understand where he was coming from in the first place now. I don't take any of the earlier accusations as deliberate misreps, though. I kind of like his waiting to put the vote on Ragman even when he was under pressure and Ragman was an opportune wagon, and even though his response to my question about that was kind of a brush-off it seemed like a towny one for reasons that are hard to articulate.

Could do Ragman but it's way too early to lynch. Not really interested in Klick. I'll have to take a closer look in a bit to find a good vote.

Don't like this post. Very waffly. Kinda like Umlaut is trying to avoid messing with anyone.

Still not crazy about Ragman wagon. I re-ISOed him and again didn't really see anything bothersome.
Klick remains the best wagon. Their (semi-useless) pop-in/pop-out while ignoring SRs on them was bad.

[SirCakez]

{farside22, clidd}
{Umlaut, Reundo, SirCakez, Zulfy}
{Persivul, LuckyLuciano}
{Atarashi Hajimari, Hoctac, valoneast, Ragman Saul Rima}

VOTE: Ragman Saul Rima

I have too many townreads for the amount of content there's been so far. After sitting on them for a while, I'd probably make a list that looks more like this:

{farside22, valoneast, Reundo}
{SirCakez, LuckyLuciano, Umlaut}
{clidd, Persivul, Zulfy, Atarashi Hajimari}
{Hoctac, Ragman Saul Rima}

Why do you say you have too many townreads when these lists look like too many scumreads?

[SirCakez]

catching up now
I see a shitload of replacements :/

[SirCakez]

TRs on Valon, Lucky, farside (she doesn't push me here as scum I think), Hoctac (I think his lack of caring about people's reads on his playstyle is town), Ame/Persivul
Nullish on Looker/Ragman, Reundo (these people don't have enough content or I'm unable to read what they have)
Scumlean on Zulfy, Umlaut
SRs on Quick/Klick, maybe brassherald/Atarashi dependent on meta

Don't like Umlaut's Persivul push. He's attacking Pers for things that are NAI.
I hate the composition of the Ragman wagon.
Quick's entrance not helping my read on the slot.
Persivul is rude but probably a town slot from his final reactions before getting the boot.
My Zulfy read is sinking the longer he goes without posting.
Will definitely be keeping a close eye on Ame after Hungarian 2

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

Umlaut already trying to derail the quickly growing wagon on his scum buddy.

Page 1 solve: Persivul + Umlaut

Can we kill this? Plz I'm just a kid.

Okay, I have probably skimmed like 20 posts.

I have good feelings about Percivul.

You have strange feelings then, but nevermind.

Klick's exit here is probably emotional, so I think he's town.

But they have no wagon?

Hurry, I want to interact!

He claimed doctor, are you doctor ?

WTF...

In any case... I like my vote, can we get a wagon there?

Or is this going to be a game I am completely misunderstood?

Posts like these read pretty fake
And I made it clear I SRed your predecessor

[SirCakez]

Don't like Umlaut's Persivul push. He's attacking Pers for things that are NAI.

This would make sense if I was saying he was scum for those things, but I wasn't saying that and I didn't/don't think he was.

Clarify?

Quick's entrance not helping my read on the slot.

Meaning it's not helping you to form a read, or that it's not making you think it's town?

(I have Quick as a reasonably solid townread atm)

Not helping me think the slot is town

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

Umlaut already trying to derail the quickly growing wagon on his scum buddy.

Page 1 solve: Persivul + Umlaut

Can we kill this? Plz I'm just a kid.

Okay, I have probably skimmed like 20 posts.

I have good feelings about Percivul.

You have strange feelings then, but nevermind.

Klick's exit here is probably emotional, so I think he's town.

But they have no wagon?

Hurry, I want to interact!

He claimed doctor, are you doctor ?

WTF...

In any case... I like my vote, can we get a wagon there?

Or is this going to be a game I am completely misunderstood?

Posts like these read pretty fake
And I made it clear I SRed your predecessor

"Read pretty fake"

Mind unpacking that a bit? Can you do it or not? Otherwise I am not quite sure how to defend myself from your case.

It's a tone read. Like you're trying to post things that say "I am town here scumhunting" but it doesn't feel natural.
I don't know if you can really defend against that.

Clarify?

I was criticizing Persivul because after having not posted for over a day, he came back to a wagon at L-1 and quite a bit of activity and all he had to say was

L-1. This is where someone already on the wagon is supposed to fake hammer.

which is completely non-game-advancing. That was really bad play on his part and so I told him, in kind of a snarky manner, that he should actually participate in sorting. When he started arguing the point I did keep poking at him in hopes of getting a better read from it, but I was never trying to accuse him of being scum.

Are you familiar with Persivul's play at all?

And Cakes, maybe you should answer my questions?

What questions?

[SirCakez]

Quick - can you point these out? I answer questions whenever I see them but I didn't notice any on my catch-up.
Umlaut - Persivul's posting style is like how he was playing this game. What you're SRing for I'm not sure is actually scummy coming from him.

[SirCakez]

I have BIG news. I hope you're listening closely, because I'm about to crack this game WIDE open. They're gonna be talking about this post for mafia generations to come. This will probably get me that mOmEnT oF bRiLlIaNcE award for 2020. I'm not kidding btw. Read and take this post seriously.

So, it all started when I was making my scumcase for Klick/Quick (sometimes referred to as Kluick).

I came across his first post:

VOTE: Umlaut

I dunno about the Persivul wagon, but this is scum regardless.

A "strong" entrance, but an unnatural level of overconfidence. Remember how he has no scumreads later in the day, and claims his bottom two reads are "neutral"? Exhibiting a strong scumread such as this one does NOT fit the playstyle of a player who apparently townhunts and doesn't have many scumreads. As explained by him in 421 for example.

Let's move on to the his second post:

Zulfy is making sense.
VOTE: LuckyLuciano

Clidd's content is good so far, leaning town there.

He has already moved on from his Umlaut scumread, and is now sheeping a player without explanation. Now, on its own, this isn't too bad, but what you need to understand is that this is NOT a natural progression from his previous post and expressed level on confidence to this one. Spotting inconsistencies in thought processes is one of the BEST ways of finding scum, and is the number 1 scumtell I use.

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Okay, let's take a break here.
So, I could go through all his posts and continue explaining why he's scum. Sure, I could do that. It'd be very easy.
OR, I could skip ahead to the post that absolutely 100% incriminates Qlick as scum. This is gonna be great. I hope you're ready.

THIS IS IT:

VOTE: valoneast
Atarashi/Hoctac: tell me why I shouldn't vote here.

This beauty right here. I'd like to thank farside for asking me to make the scumcase, as I likely otherwise would have missed this.

In this post, Klick is asking Atarashi and Hoctac (that's me!!!) about our opinions on valoneast, and why we shouldn't vote there. On it's own this post is strange, why ask us out of everyone? I don't see any reason prior in thread that he would be asking us two specifically.
Well, here's the thing: Atarashi, valoneast, and I are in a

neighbourhood

together. Klick is NOT in this neighbourhood. He is asking us because he knows we may have an opinion of valoneast formed from discussion in the hood, but has NO reason to be aware of this fact. Zulfy is also in this hood.
What this means is that Qlick is scum with one of Zulfy, Atarashi, or valoneast, and subconsioulsy let slip that he was aware of this info. The only other explanation is that he's an Informed Townie, that was for some reason aware of the hood, but is that even Normal? Probably not.

EVERYONE vote for Kluick today. This will clear me as town, and confirm one of Atarashi/valoneast/Zulfy as scum. This game is basically over already.

Clarify?

I was criticizing Persivul because after having not posted for over a day, he came back to a wagon at L-1 and quite a bit of activity and all he had to say was

L-1. This is where someone already on the wagon is supposed to fake hammer.

which is completely non-game-advancing. That was really bad play on his part and so I told him, in kind of a snarky manner, that he should actually participate in sorting. When he started arguing the point I did keep poking at him in hopes of getting a better read from it, but I was never trying to accuse him of being scum.

I mean Umlaut I'd consider this Pers's style, a little obnoxious and doesn't care what others think
So I don't see how it doesn't relate to your SR

[SirCakez]

Ok whatever I clearly don't get what you're talking about

[SirCakez]

How has no one sheeped my case yet. What do you think, SirCakez?

Quick/Klick is already my top SR and I'm voting them
What do you want from me lol

[SirCakez]

Quick - can you point these out? I answer questions whenever I see them but I didn't notice any on my catch-up.
Umlaut - Persivul's posting style is like how he was playing this game. What you're SRing for I'm not sure is actually scummy coming from him.

No, they are already stated. I just didn't like your answers.

What the heck was the point of bringing it up then???

[SirCakez]

Quick - can you point these out? I answer questions whenever I see them but I didn't notice any on my catch-up.
Umlaut - Persivul's posting style is like how he was playing this game. What you're SRing for I'm not sure is actually scummy coming from him.

No, they are already stated. I just didn't like your answers.

What the heck was the point of bringing it up then???

I should ask you the same thing.

You brought it up first when you asked me about answering questions
I'm kinda baffled by your response here honestly

[SirCakez]

Feeling more engaged here now
I think making a readslist helped

[SirCakez]

I don't even know what your tone is now but it's nonsensical

[SirCakez]

I think brass is a good candidate for scum in this apparent hood

[SirCakez]

I'm sorry Clidd but 659 is unreadable

I think brass is a good candidate for scum in this apparent hood

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

you're in it too?

TRs on Valon, Lucky, farside (she doesn't push me here as scum I think), Hoctac (I think his lack of caring about people's reads on his playstyle is town), Ame/Persivul
Nullish on Looker/Ragman, Reundo (these people don't have enough content or I'm unable to read what they have)
Scumlean on Zulfy, Umlaut
SRs on Quick/Klick, maybe brassherald/Atarashi dependent on meta

Don't like Umlaut's Persivul push. He's attacking Pers for things that are NAI.
I hate the composition of the Ragman wagon.
Quick's entrance not helping my read on the slot.
Persivul is rude but probably a town slot from his final reactions before getting the boot.
My Zulfy read is sinking the longer he goes without posting.
Will definitely be keeping a close eye on Ame after Hungarian 2

Where is clidd ?

You get your own category called "clidd"

[SirCakez]

zulfy can be town for now

[SirCakez]

zulfy can be town for now

Because they changed their mind or some other reason?

I like their re-entrance, don't think scum under pressure just doubles down.

[SirCakez]

Lucky stop spamming jeez
gather your thoughts in one or two posts, you literally just posted by yourself for two pages

[SirCakez]

Okay, he's a vet. That means he is forcing me to spill my guts.

Good luck, I would rather do this:

VOTE: Looker

Because he cannot think hard enough to understand what I have written.

this post is junk
what even is that reasoning for a vote?

Reads Right Now:

farside
Ame

clidd
Looker


SirCakez

TOWN LINE - Above this:

Protect at all costs

MAYBE SCUM LINE - Below this:

Give a Stern Talking To

Umlaut
Ruendo


SCUM LINE - Below this:

Quarantine or Exterminate

Lucky
Zulfy

valoneast

brassherald
Persivul


Quick

This readslist is wack. 5 SRs + more with concerns?

Also, I'm retracting my meta-based town read on Atari's slow (Brass).

Noting this, given it was a point of my hesitance towards Brass slot.

[SirCakez]

I actually kind of dislike this megaspam from Lucky
I find it tends to be a scum tactic often (like "I made a lot of "content" therefore i'm town"

[SirCakez]

If this was partition mafia and there was a group consisting of {Brass, Zulfy, Quick, Looker, Hoctac}, that group would be lynched and hit at least 2 mafia.

ofc those are the five most suspected slots universally
what's the point of this post?

[SirCakez]

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=82341
This is my only recent one

[SirCakez]

Looker - what is the point with your obsession with Reundo, farside and myself?
I assume we aren't being voted cuz other people are scummier.

I like Valon's 860 a lot

[SirCakez]

Here but not seeing much to comment on
Quick's posts on this page continue to make him painfully obvious scum

[SirCakez]

SirCakez read on me is based on a newbie game that I actually surrendered in...

GLHF

I didn't even know this game existed sooo nice attempt at discrediting

Oh, and Cakez could be Scum because they disappeared as soon as I wanted to interact with them.

But I would rather say it's Looker, Zulfy, Brass.

This is also not true
And last time I tried to interact with you, you did a weird game of leading me on about "questions"

VOTE: cakez

Why Cakez?

obvscum

can't wait to hear more about this one
Ame's recent posts suck

I literally just wanted someone to answer that, or just mention you guys once. I imagine if you guys were all town, scum would've capitalized on this already. Especially Reundo - he's such an easy target.

Maybe
I agree it's odd Reundo hasn't been pushed given their relative lack of content

[SirCakez]

not seeing anything to make me want to change my read on Quick
lots of self-defense and complaining but I don't see town motivation or scumhunting behind any of it

[SirCakez]

Quick why aren't you scumhunting?

[SirCakez]

If you start showing town motivation yeah
Instead of scum flailing 24/7

[SirCakez]

If you start showing town motivation yeah
Instead of scum flailing 24/7

How about no. How about I was Scumhunting just fine until Hactoc made the worse post of the game. Did you bother to consider I could be Scumhunting in an indirect way? Y/N?

let's see it then

[SirCakez]

ok kinda done engaging Quick

[SirCakez]

VOTE: brass
Should go after the hood now that we know Quick was telling the truth

[SirCakez]

VOTE: brass
Should go after the hood now that we know Quick was telling the truth

We knew there was a hood before quick's death.
VOTE: cakez

wasn't Quick's informed claim that there was scum in the hood?
I wasn't interested before because I was sure he was scum
but I was wrong :/

[SirCakez]

the Lucky kill is weird

[SirCakez]

wasn't Quick's informed claim that there was scum in the hood?
I wasn't interested before because I was sure he was scum
but I was wrong :/

You knew there was scum in the hood regardless since Klick was aware of the hood. If Klick was scum, then he had a partner in the hood. Are you claiming you were not aware of this?

I didn't realize that, no. I thought Klick/Quick was in the hood.

the Lucky kill is weird

What is weird about it?

Lucky wasn't exactly very townie.

[SirCakez]

Brass is basically scum claiming.

help me bus then

[SirCakez]

wasn't Quick's informed claim that there was scum in the hood?
I wasn't interested before because I was sure he was scum
but I was wrong :/

You knew there was scum in the hood regardless since Klick was aware of the hood. If Klick was scum, then he had a partner in the hood. Are you claiming you were not aware of this?

I didn't realize that, no. I thought Klick/Quick was in the hood.

the Lucky kill is weird

What is weird about it?

Lucky wasn't exactly very townie.

Since when haven't you read a game?
You do realize multiple players pointed out the nighbor claim from hotoc. Which confirmed quicks claim. Your saying you ignored that?

I missed it
I've been confused about the hood all game

[SirCakez]

spoiler alert - Ame doesn't have one

[SirCakez]

spoiler alert - Ame doesn't have one

Why do you say this? If you think Ame is lying then you think she's scum, so case her for me pls.

She might just be overconfident. Some players act like everything is so obvious and then can't back it up. This cop thing might change things.

wasn't Quick's informed claim that there was scum in the hood?
I wasn't interested before because I was sure he was scum
but I was wrong :/

You knew there was scum in the hood regardless since Klick was aware of the hood. If Klick was scum, then he had a partner in the hood. Are you claiming you were not aware of this?

I didn't realize that, no. I thought Klick/Quick was in the hood.

the Lucky kill is weird

What is weird about it?

Lucky wasn't exactly very townie.

Since when haven't you read a game?
You do realize multiple players pointed out the nighbor claim from hotoc. Which confirmed quicks claim. Your saying you ignored that?

I missed it
I've been confused about the hood all game

I highly doubt that. I don't consider you that dumb.


I'll give ame time to catch up.

ok

I am a 1-shot cop. Persivul claimed Novice so that he could live through N1.

is this claiming a guilty on me?

[SirCakez]

consider my vote on Ame if it is cuz that's bullshit

[SirCakez]

Ame talk about your "guilty"

[SirCakez]

wasn't Quick's informed claim that there was scum in the hood?
I wasn't interested before because I was sure he was scum
but I was wrong :/

You knew there was scum in the hood regardless since Klick was aware of the hood. If Klick was scum, then he had a partner in the hood. Are you claiming you were not aware of this?

I didn't realize that, no. I thought Klick/Quick was in the hood.

the Lucky kill is weird

What is weird about it?

Lucky wasn't exactly very townie.

Since when haven't you read a game?
You do realize multiple players pointed out the nighbor claim from hotoc. Which confirmed quicks claim. Your saying you ignored that?

I missed it
I've been confused about the hood all game

If this were the case, why did you immediately vote Brass? This doesn't seem like the action of someone confused about the hood.

Because Quick flipped

[SirCakez]

VOTE: ame
This seems fake as fuck

[SirCakez]

Because Quick flipped

How did quick's flip reveal to you the nature of the neighborhood?

I have already talked about this yesterday when farside asked the same thing

[SirCakez]

I'm awake! Cakez what is it that you are doing?

~The neighbors claimed day 1
~Quick confirmed knowledge of the hood
~Quick was either informed or scum with someone on the hood
~You claim you did not know who the neighbors were
~ Quick flipped, so now you know who the neighbors are?

How does that make sense?

Again I already talked about this. I misunderstood and thought Quick was in the hood and just thought Quick was scum. The flip cleared things up for me.
I still don't know who the neighbors are other than the dead brass. I'm sure it's been said somewhere now and I missed some posts.

[SirCakez]

Ame + Reundo seems plausible to me

[SirCakez]

It's easy to track hoods when they are completely public, yeah.

[SirCakez]

Good strawman attempt though

[SirCakez]

point to one post where the hood with all members was made clearly public

[SirCakez]

Thx

[SirCakez]

SirCakez, how did you forget the whole reason I (being in the hood) was pushing Quick 2 days ago? I even prompted you for what you thought of my case.

I did notice that; I wasn't totally unaware of the hood. Just of the constituents.

[SirCakez]

Hey Cakez are u gonna uhhh fucking do anything

what the fuck am I supposed to be doing here? Ame has practically self-cased at this point

SirCakez, how did you forget the whole reason I (being in the hood) was pushing Quick 2 days ago? I even prompted you for what you thought of my case.

I did notice that; I wasn't totally unaware of the hood. Just of the constituents.

I mean, I made the case because I was in the hood. Did you realise I was in the hood while reading the case or surrounding discussion about it?

yeah

[SirCakez]

confusion confusion

[SirCakez]

idk why people are so stuck up on this
what advantage do I get as scum doing this
I'm literally just lost this game and missed some important posts
earlier today when I made that post I forgot hoctac but I did know he was in the hood day 1
now I know everyone thanks to Ame quoting that post with the members

fin

[SirCakez]

^

[SirCakez]

Ame if you used your shot why are you not just claiming the result?

[SirCakez]

Ame if you used your shot why are you not just claiming the result?

[SirCakez]

Why wagon empty slot?

[SirCakez]

Wasn't day 2 too short for there to have been a prod/replacement?
I think the slot is decently scummy but not because of this disappearance.

[SirCakez]

If not for the disappearance then why?

Also Looker: I think it's no.

their day 1 behavior

Umlaut Ame is scum

[SirCakez]

their day 1 behavior

what about their day 1 behavior did you not like, and what's your feeling on: Umlaut?

They coasted for all of it and avoided talking about brass
No opinion on Umlaut atm

[SirCakez]

I'm not even voting Reundo, Zulfy
I think the posts themselves were decent but it didn't really look like active scumhunting

[SirCakez]

thus coasting

[SirCakez]

I forgot brass replaced Atarashi so that part of my read was wrong yes

[SirCakez]

I think the posts themselves were decent but it didn't really look like active scumhunting

Then why do you not have an opinion on Umlaut when Umlaut's posts were substantively identical to Reundo's?

Umlaut has felt more engaged

am I at L-1?

[SirCakez]

Tbf I understand if I get lynched I have been playing a terrible game and I think my flip will help town
My one frustration is that Ame is open wolfing and getting away with it

[SirCakez]

yeah that's why I'm not super flipping out here I know she's dead soon enough
But I just hate getting lynched BEFORE the open wolfs
Varsoon did it to me in Street Fighter Mafia a while ago, claimed some BS survivor role and wiggled out of a lynch just long enough to get me instead. He got powerlynched the next day but still :/

[SirCakez]

Also I have little idea of who the third scum is here
Reundo slot was my best guess but that's weak

[SirCakez]

I think Looker is townie enough
Even if Ame is not playing to scum meta her play is too atrocious to be town

[SirCakez]

Even if Ame is not playing to scum meta her play is too atrocious to be town

How so?

She's just all over the place and her cop claim makes no sense

[SirCakez]

She's just all over the place and her cop claim makes no sense

What about it does not make sense to you? And what do you mean by all over the place?

the way you've been pushing people and how you were hiding your result for a while for no reason
by all over the place I mean your shifts in tangents and votes is very confusing and to me illogical

I think Looker is townie enough
Even if Ame is not playing to scum meta her play is too atrocious to be town

I think I disagree that there's a lower bound on how badly town can play.

@Zulfy

Why should I unvote Ame?

I don't get the impression that Ame is a bad player though

[SirCakez]

Do you not believe my explanation for withholding my result before, Umlaut? If so, why so?

what is this explanation? I ISOed you and couldn't find it.

[SirCakez]

Hello. What is the know mechanical info? Claims etc.

There is a neighborhood consisting of SirCakez, Clidd, Brass and Auro
I am a 1-shot cop with a claimed guilty on SirCakez
Brass flipped scum (goon I think).

when I say "all over the place" stuff like this is what I'm referring to

I see BORO has decided to bore us even more with his replace-in to a town slot

[SirCakez]

Ftr I'm not in the hood and Ame has claimed a different result, not a guilty on me. She's just trolling.

[SirCakez]

Why did you do this, Ame?

didn't want to quick lynch or spend the day on a person I already knew was scum. had we utilized the day we possibly could have gotten some spew based on who brass tried to push

This is her explanation, Cakez. What do you think?

Maybe. I don't know Ame as a player well enough.
but her play today is so bizarre that it condemns her for me anyways.

[SirCakez]

Umlaut I don't want to go quoting through Ame's ISO but basically she's been moving from push to push today (from clidd to me to Looker) without much seeming thought behind it

[SirCakez]

Ame had guilty on brass apparently but didn't claim it day 2 because the lynch happened so fast.

[SirCakez]

Hoctac, can I persuade you to vote for Sircakez ?

since when are you pushing the wagon on me? talk more about this

She's just all over the place and her cop claim makes no sense

What about it does not make sense to you? And what do you mean by all over the place?

(1) the way you've been pushing people and (2) how you were hiding your result for a while for no reason
(3) by all over the place I mean your shifts in tangents and votes is very confusing and to me illogical

1 What is the way I have been pushing people?
2 There was a reason: 1444. Do you think my reason is not fair?
3 If it is confusing, why have you not attempted to inquire about them? I am happy to explain anything that is confusing to you. I think you used this reasoning on Klick already, yes? Perhaps a new scumhunting method is in order. Additionally, what do you think is the scum intent behind such shifts. Do you think there is a possible town reason for them?

1 - seemingly without logic or reason
2 - I missed your explanation - I could buy it I suppose
3 - I feel like I have been calling your weird posts out? I don't see the town reasoning behind being so obfuscated while there is scum reasoning for it - to make yourself harder to read.

[SirCakez]

Would also lynch B.S.
Just quick ISOed him and yeah no redemption from Reundo there

[SirCakez]

I agree, but right now I really want the lynch to be between you and Cakez. I won't be able to change my mindset if I don't see this flip happening.

tell more about this

[SirCakez]

Between me and Same or me and BS?

[SirCakez]

Not interested in Looker today
Clidd continues to refuse to explain the SR on me while driving the wagon hard

[SirCakez]

Why is the Ame wagon dead?

[SirCakez]

She's inconsistent, I don't buy her claim (although some do), her push on me seems like she's fishing for a mislynch, I don't see any town motivation behind her playstyle

[SirCakez]

I'll compromise on BS but that would be dumb he's gonna get lynched no matter what but Ame might slither out of it

[SirCakez]

clidd what do you gain from my flip?

[SirCakez]

clidd what do you gain from my flip?

I can verify if my 1310 is correct or not.

Ok I hate that kind of logic/playstyle from that post but I understand it. And it's wrong. I don't understand how you're getting Ame!Town.

[SirCakez]

So after I flip town, where are you going next?
Trying to get in your mind here.

[SirCakez]

So after I flip town, where are you going next?
Trying to get in your mind here.

If you flip town, I will discard what I have inferred so far on my PoE/solve and individually reevaluate each slot depending on the NK.

But for that I need confirmation of your flip. People lie, mechanics don't.

Kinda hate this response. It's basically just handwaving away the question when I was obviously looking for something more concrete than "I'll reevaluate"

Cake, can you point me to some of your scum games?

My only recent scum game is as 3p in this game - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=82341

Much older: viewtopic.php?f=56&t=68256
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67645
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=65649
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=65280
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=69095
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=65700
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=66305
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=66274

[SirCakez]

It's more likely after that response

[SirCakez]

fun game, thanks Ircher!