SIR Disease Mafia - Game Over!

[Covid 19]

Day 1 VC #44

Creature (1): Alchemist21 (1968)
Auro (0):
Hoctac (0):
5G Tower (0):
Jake the Wolfie (0):
Aristophanes (0):
Quick (1): 50 Judge Powers (1623)
Vecna (1): Voted (802)
Voted (1): Vecna (1952)
Alchemist21 (1): farside22 (1345)
Elements (0):
Flavor Leaf (1): Saudade (1340)
farside22 (0):
EspeciallyTheLies (4): mastina (397), Hoctac (1262), EspeciallyTheLies (1645), Nero Cain (1710)
50 Judge Powers (1): Auro (1543)
mastina (2): davesaz (1745), Tchill13 (1854)
Miss Lynch (0):
Nero Cain (0):
Tchill13 (1): Quick (1824)
Saudade (1): Elements (1938)
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting (6): Creature, 5G Tower, Jake the Wolfie, Aristophanes, Flavor Leaf (449), Miss Lynch (489)

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch a player.

This phase will end on May 19, 2020 1:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2020-05-19 13:00:00).

Moderator Notes

1. If you have regular weekend V/LA, you must either notify me each time or set V/LA tags each time.
2.

Please note the prodding rules. You are prodded after 32 hours of inactivity on Tuesday-Friday.

3. MathBlade's automated votecounter doesn't appear to track No Lynch votes properly. I'm still waiting for a response from him.
4. If you see any errors in a votecount or in the voting history, please feel free to inform me either in-thread (by bolding) or via pm.
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6. farside22 is V/LA until Monday.

[Tchill13]

ppl are voting elsewhere is exactly why scum use ATE even if its some well-intended gambit to force ppl to take a stance and do things or some misguided attempt @ outting scum

I just find it absurd someone would do that 4/11 votes in... on the 1st major wagon of d1... which almost never goes through anyway.

[Tchill13]

mastina/creature/suadade id happily lynch.

[Vecna]

Probably locktown, never a day1 lynch:
8. Vecna+
17. mastina+*
18. Miss Lynch+
19. Nero Cain+
20. Tchill13+
21. Saudade+
2. Auro+
7. Allan90 Quick+
15. EspeciallyTheLies+

Done significant stuff that makes them likely town. Also not lynch today
13. farside22+
14. davesaz+
11. Elements+

Not done anything:
10. Alchemist21+
12. Flavor Leaf+
16. 50 Judge Powers+
4. 5G Tower+
5. Jake the Wolfie+* ^
6. Odelschwanck Aristophanes+

Actually done stuff that I think is scummy for the slot, Prime lynch pool:
1. momo+ Creature+
3. Hoctac+
9. No łynch+ Voted+

This game really is easy. If those 6 people can just obvtown right about now, the scum can just concede

What do the symbols by everyone’s name mean?

copied from the playerlist, didnt feel like editing it out

[Nero Cain]

ETL has been too loud today. She got frustrated super quick (ego tell) got close to toxic in the blink of an eye (aggressive) laid a "trap" that immediately worked and "caught" scum (confbias/ego tell) literally gave up on the game when she had 4/11 votes (just trash to go for the AtE that early d1, when scum will have the easiest day phase more than likely) you cant convince me she's throwing as scum to set 2, 3 ppl up thats hard defending her? Gonna give up 1/3rd of the scum team this early for that? ABSURD. She's frustrated and she's a confident player. Her game atm if we KNEW she was scum is a hot pile of garbage.

this just seems like a paragraph of eww

?

This is the most on point post in the entire game?

I think all these things are extremely null. Being loud, frustrated (or faking frustrating), aggression, laying a "trap" and being confbias are all things she could easily do as scum and she herself has said she's loud and aggressive as scum. Although NGL, I kinda get a gut ping that this is TMI from Tchill.

But also the whole "scum wouldn't do this" thing doesn't make a ton of sense to me b/c scum HAVE "done this" Scum bussing/distancing this early has been a thing. IG, you could say "it makes no sense to do so in this setup" or does it make a TON of sense to do so in this townie looking set up? I'm not saying that Mastina is defiantly scum but I'd feel remiss to mention that Mastina has bussed/distanced d1 so I don't think it would be impossible for her to bus/distance from ETL.

[Nero Cain]

I just find it absurd someone would do that 4/11 votes in... on the 1st major wagon of d1... which almost never goes through anyway

I can understand that but think about it this way, if she's town and nowhere near the lynch why does she do this? She's frustrated? After 4 votes? Stupid gambit theory aside, it seems kinda fake, no?

[5G Tower]

I fuck off for a couple of days to mess with some respiratory systems and I feel like I missed a lot...did I?

[Elements]

mastina/creature/suadade id happily lynch.

I'm happy to join any of those wagons. Throw hoctac in there too.

[Quick]

I've nothing to add except for FL is scum until he dares to post

Okay.

Do you plan on pushing your other SRs in the meantime, or no?

[Quick]

AtE

That play only works once and mastina already did it.

[Nero Cain]

I liked 1819 Could he make that post as scum, sure. It's exactly why ETL's play is dog poo if she's town.

[Quick]

I really have an extremely strong urge to insult and yell and turn this into a toxic swamp now

No. Just see the logic in what I’m saying and vote me please. I know you think I’m town but you must recognize the high utility in my plan.

no, I really do not see any utility in it whatsoever.

Playing like this is just giving people excuses to vote, and if you think scum are going to come out looking worse than town when you do flip you just dont understand the fundamentals of this game.

Also this is a cult game. We need our day1 lynch to hit scum

So STOP.

I really do think this is a Townie post. Reads as very authentic to me and the reasoning isn't bad.

[Nero Cain]

She's an unsympathetic hedge that has willingly muddled the waters. I had zero intention of voting ETL previous to her self vote and now I'm like, "if it happens I'm ok with it."

[Quick]

1. momo+ Creature+

I could be wrong here given I have been away for 2 years, but this actually seems like there is more reason to SR this slot because momo didn't want to play this one?

[Quick]

VOTE: Voted

Id probably lynch any of my bottom three atm actually, but creature should still be able to redeem that shit

Why are you SRing Voted more than the other two? I get Creature, what about the other one?

[Quick]

VOTE: Creature

Creature and Ari are both likely scum.

Okay, but I don't want to TR you for saying this

[Quick]

I have a strong nullread on Alchemist.

You just redeemed yourself with this post.

[Auro]

Alch, can you explain the Creature scumread?

[Quick]

The fact that the ETL wagon is stalled and ppl are voting elsewhere is exactly why scum use ATE even if its some well-intended gambit to force ppl to take a stance and do things or some misguided attempt @ outting scum...the road to hell is paved with good intentions. And honestly, I'm just having a hard time looking past it a bit.

Part of the reason that I questioned mastina on her ETL read was that "not doing anything" is a horrible read on someone with ~200 posts.
Show me something bad from ETL that isn't AtE and I'll be on board. The self vote thing bugs me badly because it would be a good wiggle tactic.
There are better ways for town to remove themselves from an intolerable solution, but rules prohibit going further on that tack.

"Lynch me and you'll have great evidence" wouldn't be totally wrong in a non-cultish game. I would still disapprove but a high information lynch does have value. In a cult game an intentional mislynch gives scum a head start. It is mitigated slightly by the lower odds of hitting scum in the first place, but lynching scum is more important in this game than normal.

I haven't said this before in this game yet, but dave is probably Town (even if he has no idea who I am).

[Nero Cain]

mastina/creature/suadade id happily lynch.

the lack of voted and Ari in a conversation about who to lynch d1 seems horrible to me. Of those 3 I only really agree with Creature or maybe Saunde but thats b/c he's annoying and I'm skimming.

[davesaz]

Re 819 that Quick just pointed out, I thought there was a dangling antecedent in that post. In the sentence "farside thinks it's hollow" <it's> could refer to <farside's own questions> being hollow or it could refer to <Tchill's thinking the questions are fine> being hollow.

I did ask about farside's apparent lack of followup. She asserted that her questions had been answered, and I did find some evidence to back that up.
While I consider that topic answered I'm not sure I can remember what has come since.

I forgot to @Tchill on this. Please clarify which thing you were saying farside thought was hollow in 819 if you haven't already.

[Nero Cain]

Dave, I had been pushing on farside early today and one of the reasons was I felt she was just asking a bunch of questions intended to make herself look busy and there was a lack of scumhunting.

Tchill disagreed with me and felt she was scumhunting.

then farside came in and said she understood where I was coming from.

So when tchill said farside "thinks it's hollow" that's what he's referring to-her agreeing with me and disagreeing with tchill.

[Hoctac]

Everyone who votes ETL will get their very own personal fruit from me during the night.

[Quick]

Everyone who votes ETL will get their very own personal fruit from me during the night.

Why would you do that?

[Hoctac]

As a token of gratitude to any friends willing to help lynch a scom.