Mini 2136 | City That Never Sleeps [Game over!]

[Auro]

Interesting that Skitter is on the same level as the other two to you.

[northsidegal]

Votecount 2.6

Target	Wagon
Atarashi Hajimari (2)	skitter30 (1312), GuiltyLion (1313)
Titus (2)	acryon (1427), BBmolla (1447)
skitter30 (1)	Eve (1317)
GuiltyLion (1)	Titus (1514)
Not Voting (3)	The Limit Does Not Exist, Atarashi Hajimari, Auro

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. The Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-14 17:47:59).

[northsidegal]

Atarashi Hajimari replaces Karnage.

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

Hello person.

Can someone talk to me about Eve? The only noteworthy thing I can remember her doing is softing traffic analyst on page 1.

-Smart

[skitter30]

There should be one scum apart from Karnage: who?

I townread him because his posting reflects an actual struggle to solve. Replacing out because he's unable to read the game is +town. This isn't a super fast game, D2 has been pretty slow - it really isn't much effort as scum, but I can totally understand why town!K thinks he's unable to do a good job.

i don't know who the other scum is
my best guess for a partner would be eve

i'm kinda baffled that you're townreading his posting tbh; it's kinda emblematic of scum being incapable of figuring out how to get into the game and thus forcing themselves to post once in a while
similarly, the rep-out looks exactly like the dozen rep-outs i've seen from scum who feel detached from the game and want to give the slot to someone else that they think can do a better job

like it's not impossible that these things come from town but they come from scum so much more often that i'm just confused how you're defaulting to townreading it

[skitter30]

@skitter:

It should be fairly clear I scumread your slot strongly on D1 based on our interactions. I was actually waiting to see what Titus posted about your slot since I agreed with bbmolla and thought the scumteam might be you/titus based on how you defended rex from me in D1, and the reactions from the two of you now as well as titus’ lack of interest in pushing your slot seem to align with that.

i mean, why haven't you pushed me this whole time?
i was under the impression we came to a mutual understanding that we misunderstood each other
if this has been simmering under the lid the whole time why haven't you brought it up or tried to address it until other people starting throwing my name in the mix?
like day2 has been slow as anything, the last like three irl days would have been a good time to try to resolve this, no?

[skitter30]

Multiple people were suggesting allo as a lynch and I’m pretty sure that could have been the lynch if I hadn’t been opposing it. I think it’s false to say allo wasn’t a viable wagon towards the end of the day because he definitely was. And acryon was one of the people suggesting it.

no, he really wasn't?
he had already softed and besides for a throw-away vote by acryon nobody was really talking about him at that point

like i don't think that scum!acryon thinks that that's going anywhere really

can you update me on your reads plz?

(and i guess if you/smart have a difference of opinion somewhere, say that too?)

[skitter30]

TLDNE/Skit, I think both of you all are town, I'll let you two continue to hash it out if it'll help you reach that same conclusion, but I just want it on the record y'all my townbloc and we're gonna win this game against Karnage and whoever the partner is

idk
i'm kinda having a hard time with limit here again, why are you townreading them again?

[skitter30]

Hello person.

Can someone talk to me about Eve? The only noteworthy thing I can remember her doing is softing traffic analyst on page 1.

-Smart

the one thing i kinda remember liking about her is her reaction to auro being ok with being out of the townbloc

[Auro]

i'm kinda baffled that you're townreading his posting tbh; it's kinda emblematic of scum being incapable of figuring out how to get into the game and thus forcing themselves to post once in a while
similarly, the rep-out looks exactly like the dozen rep-outs i've seen from scum who feel detached from the game and want to give the slot to someone else that they think can do a better job

Except

this is a slow ass game now, it's not moving very fast. Show me the set of rep-outs where scum felt detached from a snail-paced gamestate such as this one.
As scum he doesn't have to do much. As town he'd have to devote significant mental energy to actually solve and refine his reads (which he calls in 1343 as not worth much). As scum he would be in a gamestate where he just NK'd the Traffic Analyst.

Also, one important fact: If both scum were in townbloc, isn't it higher utility for them to keep the TA around?

[Auro]

Votecount 1.Final

Target	Wagon
nomnomnom (6)	The Limit Does Not Exist (1116), Eve (1189), BBmolla (1272), acryon (1286), SausasaurusRex (1289), nomnomnom (1300)
Karnage (2)	Allomancer (850), GuiltyLion (1256)
Not Voting (3)	Karnage (1028), Auro (1041), skitter30 (1192)

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. nomnomnom has been lynched.

• Off-wagon:
  Allomancer
  , Auro, Karnage, GL, Skitter
  
• Benefit of NK-ing Allo if both scum in townbloc: Nothing, prevents one innocent claim. This is with very high confidence. Anything short would mean they could simply just get Allo to claim D2 with the pushes on him, and choose an obvtown target instead
  
• Benefit of NK-ing Allo if scum is in the copbloc: +++++++++++, a risk worth taking even if scum isn't
  very
  confident that Allo is the TA

[Titus]

Auro, each night they keep conftown alive, he makes one more best case scenario. With no doctor, he is universally the kill.

[Auro]

What best case scenario? He confirms one person in the bloc? That isn't a big deal at all.
Allomancer was a highly suspected slot. He could have easily been run up to claim D2.
Nothing prevents scum from simply killing him D2.

[Titus]

As for the VCA, you look at what scum would want to do and find scum fitting those parameters. Once more flips come in, you can say things like the top two wagons were town, therefore scum likely didn't care which flipped. That leads you to a series of theories and conclusions.

[Titus]

What best case scenario? He confirms one person in the bloc? That isn't a big deal at all.
Allomancer was a highly suspected slot. He could have easily been run up to claim D2.
Nothing prevents scum from simply killing him D2.

If Allomancer lives, that's another free conftown. No point in that.

[Auro]

Not when weighted with Allo's own standing and scum confidence in Allo being TA!

[Auro]

As for the VCA, you look at what scum would want to do and find scum fitting those parameters. Once more flips come in, you can say things like the top two wagons were town, therefore scum likely didn't care which flipped. That leads you to a series of theories and conclusions.

We were (or rather, specifically I was) controlling wagons and votes for the most part. I didn't leave much room for scum to manipulate their way around it during the day.
So VCA is moot.

[Titus]

OK, Auro might be scum.

[skitter30]

i'm kinda baffled that you're townreading his posting tbh; it's kinda emblematic of scum being incapable of figuring out how to get into the game and thus forcing themselves to post once in a while
similarly, the rep-out looks exactly like the dozen rep-outs i've seen from scum who feel detached from the game and want to give the slot to someone else that they think can do a better job

Except

this is a slow ass game now, it's not moving very fast. Show me the set of rep-outs where scum felt detached from a snail-paced gamestate such as this one.
As scum he doesn't have to do much. As town he'd have to devote significant mental energy to actually solve and refine his reads (which he calls in 1343 as not worth much). As scum he would be in a gamestate where he just NK'd the Traffic Analyst.

Also, one important fact: If both scum were in townbloc, isn't it higher utility for them to keep the TA around?

honestly, i think that both alignments could and would rep-out here if they felt the way that he did, and i think that the rep-out is ultimately nai

you defending it so much feels partner-y to me, ngl

also, no, scum just kill the ta if they think they found them
no reasons to keep around someone they can't push who perpetually generates innos

[Auro]

Good luck going with that, Titus!
(Hint: You didn't notice that I and GL both - the latter which you were pushing - are in the copbloc and thus candidates resulting from my proposed argument)

[skitter30]

Benefit of NK-ing Allo if both scum in townbloc: Nothing, prevents one innocent claim. This is with very high confidence. Anything short would mean they could simply just get Allo to claim D2 with the pushes on him, and choose an obvtown target instead
Benefit of NK-ing Allo if scum is in the copbloc: +++++++++++, a risk worth taking even if scum isn't very confident that Allo is the TA

again if scum found the ta they just nk him, irregardless of their positions on the wagons imo
there's literally no reason to keep him alive there

[Auro]

no reasons to keep around someone

they can't push

who perpetually generates innos

Bolded wrong and you also assume very high Allo!cop read

[skitter30]

What best case scenario? He confirms one person in the bloc? That isn't a big deal at all.
Allomancer was a highly suspected slot. He could have easily been run up to claim D2.
Nothing prevents scum from simply killing him D2.

right, after generating an inno that they'd also have to kill?
just killing him before he generates innos keeps the nk pool open

[skitter30]

no reasons to keep around someone

they can't push

who perpetually generates innos

Bolded wrong and you also assume very high Allo!cop read

idk what you're saying with the bolded bit
and yes scum only kill allo if they have a high cop read? which given his soft was kinda likely?
idk what your point is

[Auro]

Very high cop read + Both in townblocc: Eh, maybe kill to avoid *one* single dayphase IC
Not very high cop read + Both in townblocc: Safe anyway, let's kill some obvtown and let Allo claim in D2
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Any % cop read + Both not in townblocc: Must take the chance and kill him