Mini 2136 | City That Never Sleeps [Game over!]

[northsidegal]

Votecount 2.7

Target	Wagon
Titus (3)	The Limit Does Not Exist (1635), Eve (1847), BBmolla (1903)
acryon (2)	Atarashi Hajimari (1660), Auro (1929)
GuiltyLion (1)	Titus (1514)
Not Voting (3)	GuiltyLion (1780), acryon (1820), skitter30 (1877)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. The Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-14 17:47:59).

[Auro]

auro ... i'm not super liking his push on me tbh. i also feel like most of his day1 town posting revolved around the cop but that now that that's gone his like 'hook' for how he's approaching the game has become rather flat.
i'm kinda baffled how he thinks that me/titus are partners here, and i'm not sure why he isn't really pushing me but rather talking around me and calling me scum without doing much about it; his interactions with you are kinda nitpicky and retreading the same ground over and over again; his switch to acryon here is bad

This is a surprisingly bad case.
1. Reducing my D1 play to a "hook" while ignoring the pushes and reads I made
2. Ignoring that I'm not the only person who thinks you have partner equity with Titus, which should obviously stem from hard defense of each other - this is basic theory
3. Ignoring my post where I outlined my approach towards you, and another about <pushes vs votes>
4. Ignoring that I said I'm ambivalent to who got lynched between the two of you,
5. Ignoring that I said I needed to re-evaluate, and failing to see the value in the timing of my Crayon vote: you think one should only be voting their top scumread all the time?

Seriously, Skitter?

[Auro]

I love how I was advocating and committing to a strategy that gave me high chances of being copped from the start - so you're saying, Skitter, that I'm scum who was cleverly trying a risky WIFOM stunt and just got massively lucky that Allo softed?

[Auro]

and eve i'm scumreading

I'm curious to see what you come up for this read. Scumcase pl0x

[Auro]

If I can't convince GL is scum,

It's just that no one's ever going to be convinced by D1 VCA reasons, as none of us believe VCA is really applicable, and we were directly influencing GL's vote especially.

There should be other incriminating content if you're confident he's scum: show that? Or if you have already, please restate/quote.

[Auro]

i will admit that that read largely comes from rex

Oh, also do explain what in Rex's was AI and towny, not null at best.

[Eve]

auro why did you stop thinking Titus' townslip was a townslip?

also i think Auro is town so i'm just going to sheep him

VOTE: acryon

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

I'm not following the acryon case at all.

-Smart

[Auro]

GL, Titus' last post is towny. I'll still have to reconcile the weightage I'm assigning to the Rex slip (I disagreed with Skitter's case against it).

@Eve.

[Auro]

Smart, you'll have to help me find the correct direction.

[Auro]

Oh you mean the townslip. That's a low-reliability slip

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

I still think Titus is scum. I wouldn't consider Rex's thing a slip per se but I'm having a hard time imagining that pair of posts as coming from town and the weird and rigid way Titus has been applying VCA today doesn't help with that.

Which Titus post did you think was towny? 1909?

-Smart

[Auro]

I mean, that is sorta the definition of a "slip", no?
Titus' post about how once she's lynched to follow XYZ lynches. I don't really think her VCA application is scummy. She feels similar to Doubles Mafia (do ISO her there).

For a while assume she's town and let's solve?

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

I mean, that is sorta the definition of a "slip", no?

Well, I would reserve the word "slip" for something that was actually accidental. But the difference is academic, it's scummy.

Titus' post about how once she's lynched to follow XYZ lynches. I don't really think her VCA application is scummy. She feels similar to Doubles Mafia (do ISO her there).

I might look at Doubles while it's not 2am, but I'm pretty sure that kind of thing is well within her scumrange.

For a while assume she's town and let's solve?

Controversial opinion, I actually think skitter looks way worse on a Titus townflip than on a Titus scumflip. If she's scum with Titus she's basically betting the game on being able to deflect the vote away from Titus, but her reasoning is vague and she isn't pushing a counterwagon. That is much more of a whiteknighting archetype than a partner defending one.

Actually the more I think about the more I feel like skitter/Titus isn't a viable team. I'll have to talk to lilith about this because I think that's her solve atm.

-Smart

[Auro]

I don't think it's beyond Skittitus to play opposite to the classical association meta especially if Titus is a "sure lynch".

I'm not talking about capabilities, but tone and attitude when I mention Doubles.

[Auro]

What do you make of Skitter's case on me?

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

If you're talking about the section on you in 1942, I wouldn't really call that a case because it's just a (colored) description of your behavior and it doesn't explain why that behavior is more likely to come from scum.

I don't think the characterization is accurate, but I don't think the mischaracterization is scummy because you're not an easy target so it doesn't really advantage scum-her to build a weak case on you, meaning she believes her arguments to be reasonable regardless of alignment.

That was a lot of words to say "it's null", lol.

-Smart

[Auro]

Well, the ordering suggests I'm second likeliest scum after Eve
I'm only interested in the merits of her thoughts themselves, not the motivations behind the push, though.

It's nice that I have two sheep votes hehehh.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

I kinda feel like we need to just flip someone at this point and see what happens. It really doesn't feel like we're getting anywhere

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Cuz like, we're at 7/2. Two mislynches to play with so we can get more info off of flips to work with and it's not like there are other PRs who are at risk of getting shot tonight. So let's just lynch a slot that'll give us the best associatives to go into tomorrow with and we'll see who scum wants to flip and go for a solve there?

If someone's trying to read or do something today then I'm down to wait for them to do what they wanna do but otherwise what are we doing?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

The only thing I think is bad about going into tonight is that scum are almost definitely shooting to minimize info we get off of the night kill, which means the likely NK targets are, what, me/eve/maybe limit? We should get more content out of these slots so that our flips at least tell us something.

Speaking of which, I'll spend the rest of the day going through everyone's iso and making a full readslist

[Atarashi Hajimari]

We also only have a day and a half so deadline is coming soon

[Auro]

Atari, while you're here - assume Crayon is town, then what do you think the solve would be?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Not a fuckin clue. Best guess would be titus + 1

[BBmolla]

I'm not sheeping that vote Auro wtf