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I'll tell y'all when I'm sure on a read
That's fair, but the manner in which he did it still makes me uncomfortable.In post 1944, skitter30 wrote:literally nai, i do this as both alignments all the timeIn post 1910, acryon wrote:Self-meta makes me very uncomfortable. As I mentioned in a previous post, I don't like proactively offering up reasons for why you would or wouldn't do something as scum. It's total WIFOM, and I don't think town really needs to do it.
My big problem with Eve is I just can't make a case based on her play. D1 and today as well has been uninspiring from her, but it's just a lot harder to move on because there's so little there. I frankly have very little reason to believe Eve is town based on her posts, but I just don't know where to start on a case against her.In post 1939, GuiltyLion wrote:Acryon what happened to your Eve scumread? You spent most of D1 voting Eve and still seemed suspicious of her D2, but have barely interacted with her or pushed her today
So what in your opinion are the slots that you think give us the best associatives?In post 1969, Atarashi Hajimari wrote:Cuz like, we're at 7/2. Two mislynches to play with so we can get more info off of flips to work with and it's not like there are other PRs who are at risk of getting shot tonight. So let's just lynch a slot that'll give us the best associatives to go into tomorrow with and we'll see who scum wants to flip and go for a solve there?
If someone's trying to read or do something today then I'm down to wait for them to do what they wanna do but otherwise what are we doing?
So I was hiding behind the Copbloc gimmick and otherwise nothing.In post 1977, acryon wrote:My big problem with Eve is I just can't make a case based on her play. D1 and today as well has been uninspiring from her, but it's just a lot harder to move on because there's so little there. I frankly have very little reason to believe Eve is town based on her posts, but I just don't know where to start on a case against her.
The other ol' game in a search where Acryon used the word "uninspiring"... and as scumacryon wrote: -snip-
Well my two biggest scumreads from yesterday are dead. Kokichi is my number one now because his early play yesterday pinged, the quickhammer was bad, and his play today has beento say the least. I could see scum!Gamma, because there just doesn't seem to be a lot of content in his play, but that's a very slight read. Dunnstral has essentially said nothing; could easily see scum in that spot.uninspiring
Here is a full readslist.In post 1981, Auro wrote:So I was hiding behind the Copbloc gimmick and otherwise nothing.In post 1977, acryon wrote:My big problem with Eve is I just can't make a case based on her play. D1 and today as well has been uninspiring from her, but it's just a lot harder to move on because there's so little there. I frankly have very little reason to believe Eve is town based on her posts, but I just don't know where to start on a case against her.
Eve's play is uninspiring (I note that you're using this a second time)
Can you explain once more some of your *townreads* so I get a feel for what you look for in town?
BBmolla has posts that seem to indicate to me that he is thinking about the game. Here is a sampling of posts: 265, 273, 507,520, 1658, 1760.In post 1984, Auro wrote:It's interesting that you have BBMolla as a top townread and Eve as a top scumread, when I parse their gameplay as pretty similar.
Do you think BBMolla is working towards progressing reads or the gamestate for town?
Do you think BBMolla is scumhunting?
What is Eve's scum agenda?
When you think of an answer, also explain to me why the same agenda does not fit to BBMolla.
O...kay? I've seen some unflattering things said about people's scum capabilities but this may be the worstIn post 1985, acryon wrote:BBmolla has posts that seem to indicate to me that he is thinking about the game.
Maybe I should have added some modifiers to this, but I mean thinking about the game in the sense that there is an interest in solving it.In post 1988, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:O...kay? I've seen some unflattering things said about people's scum capabilities but this may be the worstIn post 1985, acryon wrote:BBmolla has posts that seem to indicate to me that he is thinking about the game.
-Smart
That's possible, but I'm not sure that Eve's posts feel empty because of a lack of skill.In post 1991, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:I do think I get the type of read you're trying to explain, though. It's just a generic solve-y feel that you can't really give specifics on. I've had those before; they tend to be more indicative of player skill in general than of alignment.
-Smart
Or a different playstyle, perhaps. I'm not gonna call myself great at mafia but I am pretty experienced, and my posts get called empty a lot because I have an unusual playstyle.In post 1993, acryon wrote:That's possible, but I'm not sure that Eve's posts feel empty because of a lack of skill.
Sure thing. There are a couple in there that are emblematic of why I think BB is town.In post 1994, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:Well, sure. But scum can still produce thoughts that might be similar to what they would think as town, and a lot of times it's hard to tell the two apart.
If you could pick a few of the posts you linked and try to explain why they're towny, that would be good.
-Smart
Well I'm glad we disagree.In post 1996, Auro wrote:Answers to questions which were a cause of her stating a stance or voting somewhere. They absolutely count. Dismissing 1956 as valid thought isif your reasoning is that you think we are scumbuddies...
I think this is actually a pretty big misrep from you.In post 1996, Auro wrote:You recognize that one inconsistency doesn't mean they're auto scum, yes? It's possible to find a top townread of yours say something that felt off, and ask them to make sure?
@Smart: While such reads are definitely a thing, I feel like the conclusions of these reads with their confidences feels pretty off from Crayon. He's pushing people for things like "they questioned X slot but also said X is town", or "they pushed Y slot, but didn't have a vote on them", this is ick.