Open 779: Pick Your Power X/Y Game Over!

[DonCorleone]

scum picked it in the worst's game

okay, so I just looked and can see that AP picked it, which I feel is probably not generalisable to what a scum mindset might be due to AP's... idiosyncrasies. You were on a team with him, why did he go for it?

he thought he could bait people to visit him and then alert and then kill a bunch of people

i think that scum would go for that tactic and/or to try to get a free vigshot, sure

I mean I guess I don't think that would be a bad pick for scum, but I think that scum picks would be more about denying town viability than choosing like maximum scum help. If I were scum and picking first, I wouldn't be choosing 1s vig or PGO, I'd be choosing cop/1s redirector or doc/rb so town didn't get it.

Idk I still don't like Dunn's push for it but tbf the last time I thought that scum was going for the obvious pro-scum play I was wrong and it the slot flipped town

[DonCorleone]

Why did you feel the need to make a readslist already

I don't get why this is worthy of a vote, CSF. I think if anything scum probably are going to be avoiding readslists so as to not give information or to be forced to commit on how they read different slots

[DonCorleone]

Feels like alot of noise

what feels like noise? I think I was top poster (or maybe Dunn) at this point in the game, so why was fark the one you think was creating noise?

[DonCorleone]

If I'm honest I think it's generally not that worth it trying to sort skitter on D1, in reference to the short chat about her on page 5. I don't think skitter falls into the zone of inherently unsortable because she's so good at scum (not knocking her game) but just that I think she's the sort of person where you're very unlikely to catch her on tone, and much more based on what she's doing in the game and how she's positioned around things later on. Also, if she's town, there's always a pretty good chance she just eats a NK

[DonCorleone]

alduskkel, do you actually think skitter is scummy this game? are you scum reading both skitter and Dunn?

[DonCorleone]

11. Datisi - 1
12. Dunnstral - 1
13. DonCorleone - 1
14. Clemency - 1

This is the scumteam. Ingenious really. No one ever expects the "triple stack on 1 to secure bottom spots for

WIFOM

" play.

~Dawn

Spoiler:

shit, they got us, DISTANCE HARDER DUNN

triple D scumteam for the victory

[DonCorleone]

I like Datisi begrudgingly townleaning skitter lol

can we have a chat about this? why do you like it?

I'm actually coming around to Datisi being scum here, I think. Doesn't look like he's very interested in solving the game, just shitposting and hedging quite a lot with stuff like "lowkey think skitt is towny but she could fake this all" and "assuming hectic is a head of melody so I'll sheep there". It's like he's avoiding responsibility for what he's saying, looking in ISO it's the same thing again where he says that aldus may be scum but talks about how he's drinking in the same post.

And then again there's more where he says how he would called jacksonvirgo townie but won't because he'd seen "scum act completely clueless" elsewhere.

Datisi, what are your actual reads on people? I feel like you're shading a lot but kind of avoiding committing or taking responsiblilty whenever you suggest something is off

[DonCorleone]

plot twist: doctor drew is a hydra of doctorpepper and drew-sta and also doctor drew

Dude, this was told to you in secret.

Also, you were in Big 4 Mafia, right Ald?

RE: My one post and vote.

I subscribe to the Titus school of D1 sucks and is only good as a tool to use on further Days. When I see someone so eagerly trying to act as 'town leader' so early in the Day that raises red flags, really seems forced when town leader is something that just happens, whether mechanically or through something like an IC. What Farken did was very LAMIST and imo not genuine. I probably should have used different vernacular than noise, but I was trying to make the point that they are saying alot with out really saying much.

Also, harkening back to my Titus D1 viewpoint, I tend to skim and get a sense of the flow vs over analyzing every post, didn't even notice there were at votes on Farken......but, why is Farken so worried about the lynch, are you at L-1? I won't even bring up the OMGUS vote on me(as I bring it up lol).

Also I figured Melody wasn't Hectic, Hectic wouldn't vote me here. If you are here though give me a sign, we both know I am cult recruiter and totally would recruit you tonight haha.

in reference to this... I don't know what you're saying about D1. if D1's purpose is mainly to inform reads on later days, why does it matter if someone is trying to act as the town leader? if that person then is clearly leading mislynches and trying to force other voices out or establish hegemony, it should make them easy to catch as scum on like D2 or D3, no. I don't really agree with what you're seeing there either, I don't think farkset has been artificially trying to make themselves town leader, I think they're just a fairly intense player (backed up by what I know of them outside of this) and don't think that's a good reason to have a scumread. and I don't think they're making noise either. They also don't seem that worried about the lynch?

Dunn seems to be overthinking the cop claim a bit(ftr, I don't love the timing of the claim but I want to let it breath a bit), but I do think Don is twisting Dunn's words and assuming his intentions a bit. I lean town on Dunn. And since I mentioned them, null to slight scum on Don, but as I said I want the claim to breath a bit before I am moved one way or another.

where am I twisting Dunn's words, because I feel like that's what he was doing to me? I'll grant you I may have been assuming his attentions a bit which is why I was asking people to check me on whether I was doing that.

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I don't really scumread drew, I think he's in null for me pending on his responses here, but NB that if Dunn does ever flip scum that drew has partner equity with him

[Datisi]

I like Datisi begrudgingly townleaning skitter lol

can we have a chat about this? why do you like it?

I'm actually coming around to Datisi being scum here, I think. Doesn't look like he's very interested in solving the game, just shitposting and hedging quite a lot with stuff like "lowkey think skitt is towny but she could fake this all" and "assuming hectic is a head of melody so I'll sheep there". It's like he's avoiding responsibility for what he's saying, looking in ISO it's the same thing again where he says that aldus may be scum but talks about how he's drinking in the same post.

And then again there's more where he says how he would called jacksonvirgo townie but won't because he'd seen "scum act completely clueless" elsewhere.

Datisi, what are your actual reads on people? I feel like you're shading a lot but kind of avoiding committing or taking responsiblilty whenever you suggest something is off

you're right i'm not very interested in solving because i'm still in the "early stage waiting everyone to post" mode, which i get is weird because i'm aware everyone has posted, but i feel like i don't have enough to work with. the main things happening so far are the don/dunn spat (which i think is tvt but doesn't give me an opportunity to actually contribute anything or futher other reads) and the fark/drdrew spat which i've already given my opinion on.

i'm admiting to being aware my skitter read could be complete bullshit because i had a feeling someone was gonna say "skitter is good as scum she can fake that datisi what are you doing are you pocketing skitter" like i get that she's able to fake it. i'm townleaning her anyway.

{skitt, don, dunn, melody, pepper, farkset}
{jackson, cat, clemency, brass} - null
{drdrew, aldus}

these would be my ~feels~ so far but none of them are very strong because the game is what it is.

Spoiler:

nice distancing.

[DonCorleone]

Dunn seems to be overthinking the cop claim a bit(ftr, I don't love the timing of the claim but I want to let it breath a bit), but I do think Don is twisting Dunn's words and assuming his intentions a bit. I lean town on Dunn. And since I mentioned them, null to slight scum on Don, but as I said I want the claim to breath a bit before I am moved one way or another.

@Jackson virgo could you link some of your scum games please?

[DonCorleone]

ugh, I don't know how I keep quoting posts when I don't mean to

[Datisi]

{skitt, don, dunn, melody, pepper, farkset}
{jackson, cat, clemency, brass} - null
{drdrew, aldus, alim*}

missed alim, my bad.

[DonCorleone]

doctor pepper can you go through your thought process more on some of your posts? for instance, regarding me and Dunn, what do you think is the town motivation in doubting my claim? why do you think what I've been doing that makes it stuff scum wouldn't do? it feels like you're also trying to avoid really committing on things while giving the illusion of doing anything, more so than either fark or drew at this point

[alimdia]

alim, i think skitt was saying there's "not more than one scum in that pool", not that there's "one scum in that pool".

idunno, him not voting one of the other people in the pool after mentioning it (Even for rvs) is a bit weird

[Datisi]

alim, i think skitt was saying there's "not more than one scum in that pool", not that there's "one scum in that pool".

idunno, him not voting one of the other people in the pool after mentioning it (Even for rvs) is a bit weird

i don't think it's weird she didn't vote them there.

feels on other players?

[alimdia]

I'll reread tomorrow morning and see.

Try not to have 20 pages by then

[DonCorleone]

I like Datisi begrudgingly townleaning skitter lol

can we have a chat about this? why do you like it?

I'm actually coming around to Datisi being scum here, I think. Doesn't look like he's very interested in solving the game, just shitposting and hedging quite a lot with stuff like "lowkey think skitt is towny but she could fake this all" and "assuming hectic is a head of melody so I'll sheep there". It's like he's avoiding responsibility for what he's saying, looking in ISO it's the same thing again where he says that aldus may be scum but talks about how he's drinking in the same post.

And then again there's more where he says how he would called jacksonvirgo townie but won't because he'd seen "scum act completely clueless" elsewhere.

Datisi, what are your actual reads on people? I feel like you're shading a lot but kind of avoiding committing or taking responsiblilty whenever you suggest something is off

you're right i'm not very interested in solving because i'm still in the "early stage waiting everyone to post" mode, which i get is weird because i'm aware everyone has posted, but i feel like i don't have enough to work with. the main things happening so far are the don/dunn spat (which i think is tvt but doesn't give me an opportunity to actually contribute anything or futher other reads) and the fark/drdrew spat which i've already given my opinion on.

i'm admiting to being aware my skitter read could be complete bullshit because i had a feeling someone was gonna say "skitter is good as scum she can fake that datisi what are you doing are you pocketing skitter" like i get that she's able to fake it. i'm townleaning her anyway.

{skitt, don, dunn, melody, pepper, farkset}
{jackson, cat, clemency, brass} - null
{drdrew, aldus}

these would be my ~feels~ so far but none of them are very strong because the game is what it is.

Spoiler:

nice distancing.

urgh, I don't know entirely how I feel about this. I guess this is reasonable as a position to take, but I'd like to see more. I don't really feel like you address my issue of you not taking stances when you have been proffering stuff, except for explaining skitter, but at least you've committed to a reads list that I don't hate.

I don't think you do explain what your stance is on fark/drew btw, other than that you're sheeping melody on them based on an assumption that I don't think is a great idea. I could see melody having hectic as a head but I wouldn't say I'm confident enough it's him to want to sheep them.

I don't understand what's separating your null line from your more scumread line? I think mine would go more like

fark, melody
skitt
dunn

as people I think are town from more to less confident

then a whole lot of null, and maybe doctor pepper towards the bottom, with you a little bit above.

talking of, UNVOTE:

also, skitter is really good at scum so she can fake what she's done so far, are you pocketing skitter?

Spoiler:

I think this distancing only works if you scumread me as well

[DonCorleone]

I don't really want to lynch in any content heavy slots unless they're really, really obviously scum. I'd rather use today to eliminate slots that are likely to be harder to sort later on due to being unproductive and then try to lynch scum accurately within a narrower pool later on, hopefully with help from investigatives. and if hopefully at least one of the lurker/low content slots should be scum

[Datisi]

urgh, I don't know entirely how I feel about this. I guess this is reasonable as a position to take, but I'd like to see more. I don't really feel like you address my issue of you not taking stances when you have been proffering stuff, except for explaining skitter, but at least you've committed to a reads list that I don't hate.

i don't know what proffering means

I don't think you do explain what your stance is on fark/drew btw, other than that you're sheeping melody on them based on an assumption that I don't think is a great idea. I could see melody having hectic as a head but I wouldn't say I'm confident enough it's him to want to sheep them.

does this not count as explaining my stance on drew
i think fark can be annoying but i'm liking they're actually tring to move things along

so would you still vote drew if you knew hectic wasn't in melody

i dunno, maybe. fark's take was good enough to jump on regardless, but until melody pointed out it was his

only

post i kinda didn't notice that, and that makes it even better vote imo. the hectic bit is more of a flex for post-game if i'm right.

I don't understand what's separating your null line from your more scumread line? I think mine would go more like

null is like people who i have noticed exist but have genuinely no pings one way or the other
scumreads are like people that i have seen a post or two that i Don't Like so they're not Null they're Scumlean

also make no mistake
just ebcause i say i'm drubk that doesn't mean i'm not 100% standing behind my stances
once i got drunk and deadass solved a 13p game while it was in like n2
drunktisi is a better town player than sobertisi

Spoiler:

that would be too obvious.

[Farkset]

Pending an answer from DrPepper, i think he's not scum.

I also don't see Datisi scum here, i have scumread Datisi in the hydra game for playing worse than this, content-wise (though he admittedly let Ausuka, the other hydra head, do all the heavy lifting). Unless datisi is known for caring about games more as scum than as town, it's a townlean for me.

I still don't like DrDrew entrance and followups, although if i am wrong there i can definitely see scum!melody trying to TMI and pocket me.

Wary of skitter, but still a townlean

Nothing new to report about Dunnstral

DonCorleone probably my strongest townread right now

Cat Fever has a bad grasp of the game in my opinion but i can see town trying to assess the situation and will probably improve

Alduskkel ISO is... worse than i would say from pure memory. Still early in the game but there's nothing that stands out or seems to be aimed at advancing the game with solving in mind, it's a scumlean

Brassherald sounds similar to Alduskkel, but with less content overall. I don't particularly fancy that, i'd like some more independent thought from there.

Same about Jacksonvirgo

Need more content from Clemency and Almidia

-Farkran

[Melody]

I want to townread DoctarVimto for coming in and pushing Fark for the "trying to look productive" thing after seeing people getting shot down and Drew getting wagoned for it.

~Dawn

[Melody]

You left us out of your reads, Fark.

I'm liking these recent posts from Don, though I might just be pocketed by his avatar.

~Dawn

[Melody]

Do you prefer being called Fark or Farkran, Fark/Farkran?

~Dawn

[Alduskkel]

alduskkel, do you actually think skitter is scummy this game? are you scum reading both skitter and Dunn?

No, skitter's mostly just paranoia. You're right that it's easier to try to figure out her alignment later on, if she's still alive. It's just that last time I tried that I got quickvoted by the other townie in 3p lylo and scum skitter hammered for the win before I had a chance to reevaluate skitter.

I'm actually coming around to Datisi being scum here, I think. Doesn't look like he's very interested in solving the game, just shitposting and hedging quite a lot with stuff like "lowkey think skitt is towny but she could fake this all" and "assuming hectic is a head of melody so I'll sheep there". It's like he's avoiding responsibility for what he's saying, looking in ISO it's the same thing again where he says that aldus may be scum but talks about how he's drinking in the same post.

And then again there's more where he says how he would called jacksonvirgo townie but won't because he'd seen "scum act completely clueless" elsewhere.

Datisi, what are your actual reads on people? I feel like you're shading a lot but kind of avoiding committing or taking responsiblilty whenever you suggest something is off

you're right i'm not very interested in solving because i'm still in the "early stage waiting everyone to post" mode, which i get is weird because i'm aware everyone has posted, but i feel like i don't have enough to work with. the main things happening so far are the don/dunn spat (which i think is tvt but doesn't give me an opportunity to actually contribute anything or futher other reads) and the fark/drdrew spat which i've already given my opinion on.

i'm admiting to being aware my skitter read could be complete bullshit because i had a feeling someone was gonna say "skitter is good as scum she can fake that datisi what are you doing are you pocketing skitter" like i get that she's able to fake it. i'm townleaning her anyway.

{skitt, don, dunn, melody, pepper, farkset}
{jackson, cat, clemency, brass} - null
{drdrew, aldus}

these would be my ~feels~ so far but none of them are very strong because the game is what it is.

Spoiler:

nice distancing.

Eh, Datisi shitposting isn't really AI. And I'm still kinda in that early stage mode too so I can see his perspective. I thought Dunn would have posted more by now so I could either confirm my scumread or reassess it.

Also if Datisi paranoia scumreads me for "caring too much" about this game then I can townread Datisi for not "caring enough" because I know we both wanted to roll scum

Unless datisi is known for caring about games more as scum than as town, it's a townlean for me.

Wait what? You've somehow reached the same conclusion as me via the exact opposite logic?

[Farkset]

I still don't like DrDrew entrance and followups, although if i am wrong there i can definitely see scum!melody trying to TMI and pocket me.

-Farkran

You're right there, melody <3

You have been agreeing a lot with me here, and you have shown knowledge of my play, but i don't know who you are and i have been hardpocketed this way in the past - i'd still like to see more independent thought from you too. Your questioning doesn't look bad, but the conclusions are currently in line with consensus, so it's not particularly AI with your timing. Overall, my read on you is probably pending post-flip VCA.

-Farkran

pedit: oh, i don't particularly care about how you call me, my name has been stretched so many times and i have fun reading grammar mistakes most of the times. Besides, this is a hydra of Farkran and Kerset, so things get even more complex