mini 2140: partition (this is over)

[Albert B. Rampage]

What kind of crazy ass distribution is this? This is fucked.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Scum would just put all 3 in group 1 knowing that nobody will self-lynch, and then sweep the game from there.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I highly doubt scum placed all 3 members in group 1

That's exactly what they should do though.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: group 3

You are voting your own group?

I was also thinking of voting for group 3 tbh

Group 1 is too risky and if there is 1 member in group 2 then even without reads it would be a 50/50 we get them the next day.

They probably stuffed group 1 with 2-3 scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

i wouldn't be surprised if we won outright after 1 lynch lol

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: group 1

I think this is the shortcut to victory.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: group 1

I think this is the shortcut to victory.

Why do you think scum wouldn't put 1 scum in group 1?

I think they are betting on town self preservation and not lynching themselves so they stack the biggest group with scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hard disagree on cutting out group 1

I think scum stacked the setup in a way where we cant win a whole lot no matter which group we pick. Most likely 2/0/1 or 2/1/0

Theres not a lot of incentive to pick 3/0/0 over 2/0/1. other than WIFOM

I think they are more incentivized to gamble it all in one group.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Safety in numbers.

[Albert B. Rampage]

They could, yeah, but i dont think that's the most likely option. Placing just 2 in group one minimizes the risk and gives them almost the same level of safety

Instead of losing if group one goes down, they get a MYLO. And if theres a lynch outside group one, they lose 0 or 1 scum for 2-3 townies

Yeah 1v4 is manageable. Either way there's 2 scum in group 1 at minimum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Is it worth spending effort for this game when we can just vote group 1 out and kill 2/3 scum and get rid of a bunch of unknown slots.

Maybe we should just scumhunt among group 2 or 3?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I checked the other partition game from 2011 to see how it played out. Scum were spread out one was in group 1, one was in group 2, and another was in group 3. On the vote count there was a message on day 1 saying groups have changed and vote count got reset. A scum player got switched to another group and the group that got lynched on day 1 were all town. I wonder if the same thing is going to happen here. Lynching in group 1 does look risky if they are all town plus add the group change on day 1 if that happens. My guess is one scum will be in group 1, one in group 2, and another in group 3.

1 in group 2 is crazy, there would be confscum from PoV

[Albert B. Rampage]

If there was ever a reason to quicklynch, this would be the funniest time to do it guys.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Clidd and Albert for scum

We lynch there today

I'd like to see you try.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Something about scum!Albert's plan being "enter hard pushing group 1 in hopes of lynching it" doesn't sit right about me. It feels full of agenda and scummy, so I'm leaning town on him.

I make a hard decision between being lazy or winning when I start a game. Finally I found a game where I can choose both!

[Albert B. Rampage]

So conversely, if you're scum, you'd pick the 1/1/1 since that also lets you be lazy and win

1/1/1 is a long hard road to victory for the scum, they automatically lose 1 player no matter what the town does.

If I were scum I would put all in 1 group.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mod: is it possible the groups are re-arranged in the middle of the game?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Middle of the day, rather.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If it's 1/1/1 you should vote for my group, group 2.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Lynching group 1 would instantly win scum the game

Madness. You are scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

all 3 scum are in group 1 and will fight tooth and nail to avoid instantly losing.

[Albert B. Rampage]

1-0-2 makes zero sense.

[Albert B. Rampage]

its 2-0-1 or 3-0-0.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You can’t instantly lose as town if all 3 scum are in group 1, no matter which group you lynch

You're not reading what I'm writing!

SCUM INSTANTLY LOSES IF WE LYNCH GROUP 1

[Albert B. Rampage]

1/1/1 is absolutely terrible for scum. Not being in group 1 is terrible. Being in group 2 is terrible. That dont leave many choices!!!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Who’s scum in group 1?

Who fucking cares?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm always a null read or I would be a scum lean since I'm not an active member. I get the feeling scum looked up my completed games and they put me on Group 1 and plan on lynching Group 2 or Group 3 on day 1 and on day 2 they would put me in a group that would get lynched. I also think whoever are scum in this game are trying way too hard to look towny and it is Group 1 who is getting town read alot.

I don't like Adorable's entrance either

This post looks like shade throwing and you didn't elaborate on why you didn't like my entrance and this is the kind of post I normally scum read when I don't see a player elaborate.

I think 2 scum are in Group 1 and that's why I'm voting there.

Somebody gets it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Albert B. Rampage]

it's 95% odds there's 2-3 scum in group 1. I ain't scumhunting. Scum are stupid to divide the town this way.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I admit it’s likely there’s 2-3 scum in group 1 but wouldn’t you want to confirm your theory with reads on players in group 1?

No I don't care. The odds of being correct is lower than the odds of falsely accusing someone who will think I'm scum because I guessed wrong.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think group 2 is all town based on my reads and the partitions are 2-0-1, 1-0-2, or 3-0-0.

Yes, this is correct. Does everyone agree with these possible compositions?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think group 2 is all town based on my reads and the partitions are 2-0-1, 1-0-2, or 3-0-0.

Yes, this is correct. Does everyone agree with these possible compositions?

Except that 1-0-2 is FAR TOO RISKY. If we lynch group 2 they lose 2 scum and it's up to 1 scum to fight the whole town with no kills after N1?

Seems improbable. It's 3-0-0 or 2-0-1.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think group 2 is all town based on my reads and the partitions are 2-0-1, 1-0-2, or 3-0-0.

Yes, this is correct. Does everyone agree with these possible compositions?

Except that 1-0-2 is FAR TOO RISKY. If we lynch group 2 they lose 2 scum and it's up to 1 scum to fight the whole town with no kills after N1?

Seems improbable. It's 3-0-0 or 2-0-1.

I assume you meant to say if we lynch group 3?
That logic applies to all the possibilities I mentioned. I think 2-0-1 is the least risky for scum but what you said certainly applies to 3-0-0 since the risk isn't even that they only have 1 scum left, they just lose.

Yes. Exactly.

Its 2 0 1 or 3 0 0.

Group 3 is the most easy to lynch.

Group 2 is the safest option to continue the game with no clear winner.

Group 1 is where all the scum are hiding.

[Albert B. Rampage]

This isn't a scumhunt this is just outguess the scum and vote logically.

Theres no need to scumhunt today.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Makes no sense to put 1 scum in a 2 player group.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Cats and Dragons are the worst slots overall to me but I might be completely wrong and it doesn't even matter if I am because scum fucked themselves with this stupid allocation.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Makes no sense to put 1 scum in a 2 player group.

this logic can go on forever because of WIFOM

-dragons

We can easily outWIFOM the scum here. EASY. They are so stupid.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Lynching group 1 would instantly win scum the game

Madness. You are scum.

The context for what I said was,

“If scum put 1 scum into each group, then lynching group 1 would be an instant win for scum.”

Why is this a scummy thing to say?

all 3 scum are in group 1 and will fight tooth and nail to avoid instantly losing.

You can’t instantly lose as town if all 3 scum are in group 1, no matter which group you lynch

Conversely you can instantly lose as town if you lynch group 1 and the partitions are 1-1-1

I misread that mb

Who’s scum in group 1?

I admit it’s likely there’s 2-3 scum in group 1 but wouldn’t you want to confirm your theory with reads on players in group 1?

These posts are scummy. I might be right I might be wrong but I can easily guess what the scum did here.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Quick read, the way Albert is playing it seems he's banking on lynching Group 1 then not even having a day 2, so I am in favour of a group 2 lynch for the moment (for real now).

GO AHEAD I DONT CARE

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote for group 2 and I will see you in 2 months when you finish this game.

I gave you a shortcut to winning and being lazy.

Scum got exceptionally lazy and didn't understand how to play this game strategically. We can win this so easy town just needs to ignore scum naysayers.

I WILL REPEAT MYSELF.

SCUM THOUGHT YOU WOULDNT SELF VOTE. THEY THOUGHT GROUP 3 WAS EASY FODDER.


WRONG.

[Albert B. Rampage]

hi friends!

for some reason I thought that mafia had to place at least one of each of themselves in each group. can someone confirm for me whether this is the case?

- Daenerys

Someone called this fake recently: I can confirm I had a similar thought when we began the game, perhaps because the listed mafia partition game had some ambiguous wording which made this seem like the case, so I can't really agree with that claim.

It comes off as fake as fuck and if its 2-0-1 YOU ARE THE 1.

[Albert B. Rampage]

cats
Dragons
Mohab

Theres your scum team ladies and gentlemen. Your welcome.

[Albert B. Rampage]

it will be fucking epic and glorious when 2-3 scum flip right off the day 1 lynch I am getting excited!!!!

[Albert B. Rampage]

YOU SEE

ITS OVER

TOWN WINS

[Albert B. Rampage]

GROUP 3 IS LYNCHBAIT DO NOT VOTE GROUP 3

VOTE GROUP 1 OR 2

1 IF YOU LIKE TO WIN FAST

2 IF YOU LIKE LONG GAMES WITH LOW INFO

THERE ARE YOUR CHOICES

[Albert B. Rampage]

Correct. Group 2 is the safest lynch for the day. Scumhunting is not needed to win this game only outWIFOM scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

welp I remembered why I don’t enjoy playing with ABR when I’m town

- Daenerys

Glad you're having fun with me in this game then!

[Albert B. Rampage]

This stuff is why I told people to stop stressing so much about partitions earlier. Partitions should be used a secondary method of determining a lynch, not as the main one. Scuminess of a player should always, always take priority over random thoughts about 'what scum would do with partitions!'. Yes, lynching group 1 is incredibly risky, because if there is anything less than 2 scum in there, we instantly lose. So yes, scum probably put three there because they know we think a group 1 lynch is too risky, and they're playing on our paranoia. But hold on, what if they knew that we knew that we'd figure out they'd put all three in group 1 because we consider it too risky? So they split them up to 1-1-1, or 1-0-2. But hold on, we also know that they'd know that we would know that they would know that we would know the risk of lynching group 1. So we don't lynch group 1, but hey, hold on...

And it goes on and you could make the same argument for pretty much every logical partition choice. It makes no sense to keep theorising this much about partitions when there are way too many possibilities and in the end, we only end up misleading ourselves into thinking someone is scum because of how we think the partition is split.

I am going to go ahead and skim the previous pages to get reads on players, I am still fairly lost on what's going on and who's reading who in what fashion. I recommend everyone drop the partition issue for now and we'll deal with it when we actually get some good leads regarding the players themselves. Anyone who keeps trying to predict the partitions isn't trying to scumhunt: they're just pretending to scumhunt.

This literally reads like backtracking scum trying to add 2nd level WIFOM when their logic stopped at level 1 WIFOM and they got completely trapped.

[Albert B. Rampage]

we lynch group 1 we get 2 scum guaranteed maybe 3.

Game becomes 1 scum v 4 town
Scum kill
1 v 3 town

2 lynches to catch 1 scum. Easy odds for town to win.

[Albert B. Rampage]

1/1/1 is a long hard road to victory for the scum, they automatically lose 1 player no matter what the town does.

If I were scum I would put all in 1 group.

Aren't you just now suddenly criticizing this move? What happened?

It takes a lazy bastard to catch other lazy bastards.

[Albert B. Rampage]

GROUP 3 IS LYNCHBAIT DO NOT VOTE GROUP 3

VOTE GROUP 1 OR 2

1 IF YOU LIKE TO WIN FAST

2 IF YOU LIKE LONG GAMES WITH LOW INFO

THERE ARE YOUR CHOICES

Albert could be scum for this post tbh.

Like, why

never

vote Group 3 because "lynchbait", but Group 2 is fine, especially when he should know he's town?

Because I don't want to participate longer than my obligations in a game where players prioritize having a long game over winning.

[Albert B. Rampage]

To vote group one id need like, four scumreads in there. and that is not happening

There's only 3 scum in this setup, what are you talking about?

This game is easily solved by math why the fuck are people trying to overcomplicate it?

we lynch group 1 we get 2 scum guaranteed maybe 3.

Game becomes 1 scum v 4 town
Scum kill
1 v 3 town

2 lynches to catch 1 scum. Easy odds for town to win.

This is my plan to win. Obviously all the scum are going to complain and some town want to play instead of be eliminated early. This is the way the scum decided to partition, what do you want me to tell you? There's an easy and fast way to win because scum made it this way so they can throw group 1 and 2 under the bus using sophistry.

[Albert B. Rampage]

if we think this gives town best chance of winning, then id vote group one cause i feel pretty strongly theres 2 scum in it. Technically we're risking the game on there being 2+ but we may as well live a little

You are exactly right and that is why you are my favorite!

We should take a calculated risk rather than argue and create drama.

Scumhunting day 1 is fake as fuck.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If 2 scum in group one -> 4 person MYLO is a good result, then we should probably choose group one

5 players -> nightkill -> 4 players 2|1|1

You have to pick one of the 1 groups. Or you can pick the 2, depending on WIFOM

3 players 1|1|1 LYLO

if we think this gives town best chance of winning, then id vote group one cause i feel pretty strongly theres 2 scum in it. Technically we're risking the game on there being 2+ but we may as well live a little

Exactly. Our EV 100% goes up if we lynch Group 1 and there's exactly 2 scum in here.

You agree with me that it's very likely there's 2+. So, time to self-destruct?

You are both correct.

Everyone should watch this. Start at 1:12. This game is just math.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Honestly, if the scum pulled something crazy like 0/1/2 then they should win and I want to forget about this game as quickly as it started.

No way Jose.

Common sense tells us its 2/0/1 or 3/0/0 and math tells us the best lynch is group 1. All the real scumhunting should start after we've thanked group 1 off the stage like a Vegas hypnotist that didn't get the desired reaction from an audience volunteer.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Being in a 1 v 3 might not be as good as it sounds. Who ever the mafia is will kill someone from group 2 because of all the lynchbait in group 3. They will probably divide the 3 into separate groups which will lead us to imploding in on ourselves. Even if the person from group 2 is town how likely is it that the right bait is lynched? We need to stop talking about lynching based on the setup and start solving. No reason to rush this.
UNVOTE:

This isn't right. If there's 1 scum left, it will be 2-1-1, town can lynch a group with one person in it, then it will be 1-1-1 and town can lynch again. This is the best odds of winning possible.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Being in a 1 v 3 might not be as good as it sounds. Who ever the mafia is will kill someone from group 2 because of all the lynchbait in group 3. They will probably divide the 3 into separate groups which will lead us to imploding in on ourselves. Even if the person from group 2 is town how likely is it that the right bait is lynched? We need to stop talking about lynching based on the setup and start solving. No reason to rush this.
UNVOTE:

This isn't right. If there's 1 scum left, it will be 2-1-1, town can lynch a group with one person in it, then it will be 1-1-1 and town can lynch again. This is the best odds of winning possible.

Mafia get a NK

They only have a NK N1. 5 players left in group 2 and 3. 4 left after NK.

[Albert B. Rampage]

what did you say?

[Albert B. Rampage]

[quote="In post 1

welcome to mini 2140! You are a

mafia goon.

your faction is responsible for forming a partition each night. i will take whatever the last bolded proposition is, as long as it places every living player (or every player that will be living come morning) in one of the three groups, and no groups are empty. you may ask me randomize the order of the groups and the players within the groups. if i don't get a valid partition i will create one randomly.

on the first night, you may also select someone to be killed.

you win when you control half the vote during a day phase, or when nothing can stop that from happening.

please confirm by proposing a partition for day 1 (or affirming another suggestion)

Hmm, this will create more WIFOM. It obviously justifies 1-?-? because that would be the only time the mafia could pull it off.

What are you saying here?

[Albert B. Rampage]

if there is some weird scum conspiracy to lynch a bunch of town in 1 to win then Albert would be scum obviously

-dragons

But Albert is acting way too obvious for that??

thats exactly what i'd expect scum!albert to do. it's lower effort, and it plays into the WIFOM very nicely

So you're thinking scum want us to lynch group 1 and Albert is the one in charge of aggressively pushing that? And that's why he's in the smallest group maybe? In case that backfired?

Hahahahaha what!!!?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I would propose marriage to a bat before I did 1/1/1 as scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

1/1/1 is stupid.

[Albert B. Rampage]

1/1/1 is smart if you think you can deceive town into getting rid of group #1 using the three voices you have

They would never think to do that.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Should i try to read more closely into this game, or is that a giant waste of time when i can just vote group one?

OH NO

im starting to become albert

Albert you have to marry me if i vote group one and it turns out that it isn't 1/1/1. deal?

Yes, it's a deal. But if you are scum, our contract is cancelled.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Trust me, voting group 1 offers our easiest chance to win this and go home.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Trust me, voting group 1 offers our easiest chance to win this and go home.

who do you think is the 3rd scum if there is only 2 scum in group 1.

I think it is mohab.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Trust me, voting group 1 offers our easiest chance to win this and go home.

who do you think is the 3rd scum if there is only 2 scum in group 1.

I think it is mohab.

I think he is town though. Well, we can leave this to day 2 if we are still alive then and we manage to lynch group 1.

I hope we win straight away though.

I think it depends on the flips, I might completely change my mind after we have more info.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Group 3 is for in-betweeners afraid of taking risks but still want to hit at least 1 scum maybe.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The fact that no one from group 2 or 3 has hammered group 1 pretty much confirms my theory of minimal scum in groups 2-3.

[Albert B. Rampage]

if there was 2 scum in groups 2-3, they hammer, they NK, its 2v2 town is endgamed.

[Albert B. Rampage]

this confirms 2 or 3 scum in group 1.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Theres at least 2 scum in Hoctac, Cat, MT, or Raya. They would never self-vote group 1.

[Albert B. Rampage]

From perspectives other than mine its possible im scum with enomis trying for autowin but I can confirm I'm town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

UNVOTE:

[Albert B. Rampage]

if we want to be extra safe we can lynch group 3, check if enomis is town.

If he's scum, my theory is wrong and scum were too slow to hammer.

If he's town, and the scum in group 3 is someone else, that pretty much confirms all the players in group 1 voting for group 1 as town. We can lynch within hoctac, cat, MT or Raya and win.

[Albert B. Rampage]

This game makes no sense. Where is the opposition to lynching group 1 from people inside group 1? Like why am I the only person opposing this

If there’s 2+ scum in group 1, then scum would be in {hoc, mt, raya}. My read would be wrong on one of {hoc, mt} which would be surprising since they’re both pretty town.

Your read from 20 pages of day 1 is shaky at best.

[Albert B. Rampage]

MT since we're married now let's do a quick exercise to confirm me as town.

Vote group 1. I'll make a post. Then unvote. I will prove I didn't hammer.

[Albert B. Rampage]

i mean since we are engaged to be married

[Albert B. Rampage]

No its fine do it

[Albert B. Rampage]

just do it. Confirm me as town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

no one's on but us, its now or never.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Come on just do it quickly no one will be here we have time

[Albert B. Rampage]

ame is backing us up and is already on the wagon and cant hammer just do it quickly MT

[Albert B. Rampage]

scum will be forced to NK me since i will be conftown.

[Albert B. Rampage]

MT should confirm herself as town when she votes group 1 too

[Albert B. Rampage]

i am not hammering

[Albert B. Rampage]

Bahaha we are geniuses.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I am now confirmed town or the only scum in groups 2 and 3 and I just put both my scumbuddies at L-1 twice

[Albert B. Rampage]

Let's wait for consensus.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If theres 3 scum we are all confirmed town

[Albert B. Rampage]

if we want to be extra safe we can lynch group 3, check if enomis is town.

If he's scum, my theory is wrong and scum were too slow to hammer.

If he's town, and the scum in group 3 is someone else, that pretty much confirms all the players in group 1 voting for group 1 as town. We can lynch within hoctac, cat, MT or Raya and win.

Pretty much this

[Albert B. Rampage]

Okay, let's look at what we know and attempt to find answers to what we don't. Let me begin.

1) We know that mafia checked the previous game with 1/1/1 distribution from Ame's post. They chose to do a 2/1/0 or a 2/0/1 distribution so they had a

lynchbait option where no scum dies

. The question is, was that group 2 or group 3?

Of course, we know my theory:

Spoiler:

Group 3 is the most easy to lynch.
Group 2 is the safest option to continue the game with no clear winner.
Group 1 is where all the scum are hiding.

GROUP 3 IS LYNCHBAIT DO NOT VOTE GROUP 3

VOTE GROUP 1 OR 2

1 IF YOU LIKE TO WIN FAST

2 IF YOU LIKE LONG GAMES WITH LOW INFO

THERE ARE YOUR CHOICES

2) We know the last scum NK'd enomis from group 3. Why? Well first, let's look at scum-Ame's early day 1 posts.

I looked a bit through the first game. Scum also placed one in each group.

I think this opening comes from one of the numbers-oriented players.

Who do you know that is numbers-oriented? How about clidd?

Spoiler:

In summary, I have these combinations in mind:

1- (1)(1)(1)
2- (2)(1)(0)
3- (2)(0)(1)
4- (0)(1)(2)
5- (0)(0)(3)
6- (3)(0)(0)
7- (1)(0)(2)

The first is less likely, as it proposes a slow game and would involve Scum!Albert involved, something that I find a little inconsistent considering that the appropriate form of distribution would be to place players who are vocally transparent in each of the groups, because at the same time as one scum is eliminated, players of relevance would also be, which also makes it evident that the composition {Clidd, Albert} is strongly antagonistic to this idea, which is why I imagine it to be unlikely. The second would also involve Scum!Albert, but it doesn't make a lot of sense because it would be better done with the addition of 1 ~ 2 players to group 2, something that would be more interesting in the sense of cost-benefit, especially because the group 3 does not seem to me to be a weak trio verbally, which would be characterized as a disadvantage for group 2 early in the game and would make this type of formation unfeasible. The third is plausible, considering that the camouflage of 2 members in the group with the largest number of players would be a safe move, while one of the members of group 3 would be instructed to push against the smaller group, being able to use both the pretext of Albert's existence, which is a slot with a shallow playstyle, as well as the numerical justification, considering that only 2 players will be lynched, therefore, the loss would be, theoretically, less than the lynch of group 1 ~ 3. The fourth would make sense only in the scenario where the two scums in group 3 were planning to deliver Scum!Albert via buss to gain town credibility early in the game, but the fact that they only put one more player in the group, instead of adding more players, reduce the damage done and imply a very early disadvantage for them, which might not be worth it in the long run, considering that there would eventually be speculation and suspicion about the centralization of votes in the group, which probably would not take long to lead to the inference that there was a bus in the middle of the wagon. The fifth would be possible in the scenario in which Scum!Dsj, Scum!Enomis and Scum!Mohab were able to embark on a risky gambit, but I believe that this would underestimate the cognitive capacity of group 1 and does not fit the profile of Scum!Dsj ( at least as far as I observed in our scum in common), where he would probably strongly suggest the change of composition due to the lack of security he would feel. The push, in this context, would also be group 2. The sixth seems more plausible to me than the fifth, considering that there are players like Scum!Hoctac and Scum!Ame who could build a narrative where groups 3 and 2 were the main lynchs , under the pretext that the numerical force of group 1 would make the materialization of a lynch unfeasible, and that it would be safer in the mathematical sense to choose groups 2 and 3. The seventh also makes sense, with the same push reasoning of compositions 3 and 5.

Conclusion:

compositions 3, 5, 6 and 7 make sense in my conception, considering that I can imagine the establishment of pushs on group 2 only because of the existence of Albert in it. That said, I am inclined to think that group 3 has expressive chances of having scum in its composition.

Here's the theory: If Group 3 was lynchbait, and town didn't go for it, clidd had to kill enomis because he was the only one from group 3 who sheeped me to vote group 1. Lynching group 1 was bad for scum, so clidd hopes to frame the remaining group 3 who were off-wagon to win the game on Day 2.

3) We know scum didn't want to get group 1 lynched, as evidenced by Ame's posts:

But I think going the route of minimizing casualties is better for our chances of winning, particularly because we can get more days and scumhunting out of it and will have flips to work off of. Whereas going G1 we are essentially gambling without prior knowledge of who is on the scum team and how they think. Going one of the other groups actually gives us evidence of how they think and we can work from there. Right now we are just random guessing and going in circles.

So why does Ame change her mind and vote group 1 at the end of the day? Most likely because the final scum said "I got this" and she put her faith in that player's math. Again, who's the numbers guy in the scum team? We know it's not Ame, and we know it's not Raya, so by elimination it has to be the third scum.

When we look at Raya's post, who is playing a more straightforward mafia game, she's trying to set up group 3 for a lynch as well:

Group 3 is for in-betweeners afraid of taking risks but still want to hit at least 1 scum maybe.

Isn't that kinda a good thing?

The fact that no one from group 2 or 3 has hammered group 1 pretty much confirms my theory of minimal scum in groups 2-3.

This is a good point. Because of this I'll consider group 1 but first I need to actually find 2 or 3 people on it I actually think are scum and so far I'm mostly only seeing scummy players in group 3.

4) We know that if we mislynch group 3 today, it's instant-lose. So let's compare me and clidd.

''@Clidd, do you have a read on Albert outside of partition composition?''If you want, I can go into details, but basically it is because of the way he is playing. The aggressiveness he showed in defending the idea that group 1 is strategically feasible to be lynched seems to me an ignorant behavior that I see coming from an interpersonal trait characteristic of his profile, where he is probably frustrated/irritated by the gamestate, which makes sense within the scenario in which Town!Albert demonstrates emotional levels that would not make much sense in the Scum!Albert mentality, where he would be aware that his reasoning is fraudulent. In other words, it is my interpretation of the slot to distinguish that his expressions/reactions are within a natural spectrum of conduct, very different from what I feel about Ame, for example (which is forced).

He says it's ignorant to want to lynch group 1 but I'm town. What are the main differences between us?

A) I wanted to lynch group 1 from the start, which Raya and Ame didn't want.
B) I was on the final lynch of group 1, and clidd is not.
C) I wanted to avoid casting suspicion on clidd, so I could break the game in the final day and win. clidd wanted to avoid casting suspicion on me, so that group 3 gets lynched day 1, and that I would side with him on day 2.

5) We know that clidd heavily buddied me from day 1.

surprised

Do you consider Albert to be a verbally strong player ?

UNVOTE:

Scum backing down

You are deliberately trolling or are scum, I am still waiting for the explanation of my push and the sudden change of posture on post 542.

6) We know that clidd was setting up group 3 as the day 2 lynch.

From my pov is: Mohab>Enomis>Dsj to scum out of group 1.

If I am wrong and we won, I will be extremely surprised to have bad reads about group 3.

If i were setting up these groups, it would seem really obvious to me as scum that Group #3 is going to receive the most lynch pressure.

It's got an extra player over group #2, so in theory, town would think they get higher chances of hitting scum in there. This is subjective, but they didn't put any of the players that i know are good at seeming towny in there (like Cat, Ame, clidd, Kanna). Someone in group 3 admitted they usually get scumread.

And now, indeed, the majority of the game seems to be having suspicions towards group #3. Even all three group #3 members seem to suspect group #3, lmao

i do lean town on Mohab and Enomis as well. Dsjr i dont have an explicit read on yet but i havent found him scummy per se

At this point, im feeling there's 2-3 scum in group one and 0-1 scum outside

I feel like group #2 has a better chance of hitting scum, and if there is no scum outside group #1, it limits our losses a bit as well

I can understand your reasoning, but I believe that you are underestimating group 3. The pressure, in my opinion, would be in the lynch of group 2, considering the attempts to push during the day, and they only eased when I was able to participate more actively in the game, this clearly does not seem normal to me.

Especially considering that I expressed a scumread on Mohab yesterday and was scumhunting in group 3 without ever publicly suspecting clidd. Clidd has been mirroring this and suspecting Mohab since day 1 as well. All his actions make sense coming into today with his evaluation of me thus far.

7) Finally, I would say that clidd has been acting like he knows too much.

I agree about the game state indicating 2 scums on group 1, but I highly doubt that they are 3 because of the reads that I have on group 3. It would be an insult to my analysis ability to say that group 3 is entirely town, so my solve at the moment is 2-0-1.

He knows what he's doing. He sees where the game needs to go for him to win. There isn't any doubt or second thoughts in his play.

Now that I've laid out my case, you should feel confident in the fact that I am one of the top scumhunters on this site. I just completed another game where I nailed all of the scum and accurately predicted their strategy on day 2. Rest assured that it's normal for me to see the matrix. I'm not trying to bamboozle you. Even if I were, lynching clidd does not end the game if he's town. Lynching dsjstr or Mohab will.

[Albert B. Rampage]

EBWOP about clidd buddying me, the quote didn't work, so here it is:

I am now confirmed town or the only scum in groups 2 and 3 and I just put both my scumbuddies at L-1 twice

I'm not surprised, my reads already pointed out that you were town long before.

There you have it, guys. I want to be the one to hammer clidd.

[Albert B. Rampage]

All in my wiki.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Wouldn't that be too obvious/implicit?

Yeah, exactly. Killing me leaves clidd as the only player from group 2, and group 3 who he has been scumreading all of day 1 can easily OMGUS / gang up on him.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: group 3

You are voting your own group?

I was also thinking of voting for group 3 tbh

Group 1 is too risky and if there is 1 member in group 2 then even without reads it would be a 50/50 we get them the next day.

Mohab and dsjstr are obviously fucking town, look at these posts. We know for a fact that there's only 1 scum in groups 2 and 3 combined, and both of these guys are trying to self-lynch lol.

This game is solved.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Looking at the VC the only person who actually voted for group 1 was enomis.

Excuse me?

[Albert B. Rampage]

You know group 1 wouldn't be lynched if it wasn't for me, right?

[Albert B. Rampage]

@Albert Now before I continue I want to understand what was the purpose of your performance with Adorable?

What performance? What the fuck are you talking about? Make some sense!

[Albert B. Rampage]

@Albert Now before I continue I want to understand what was the purpose of your performance with Adorable?

If you mean MorningTweet and not Adorable, since I was death tunneling group 1, people thought I might be the chief conspirator of a 1-1-1 scum partition and trying to win in 1 fell swoop by lynching group 1. MT put group 1 at L-1 for me to hammer so that I could prove I didn't hammer, which would make me instantly win if I were scum with another buddy outside group 1.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@Albert Now before I continue I want to understand what was the purpose of your performance with Adorable?

If you mean MorningTweet and not Adorable, since I was death tunneling group 1, people thought I might be the chief conspirator of a 1-1-1 scum partition and trying to win in 1 fell swoop by lynching group 1. MT put group 1 at L-1 for me to hammer so that I could prove I didn't hammer, which would make me instantly win if I were scum with another buddy outside group 1.

Does this make sense dsjstr?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Guys, clidd still hasn't adjusted his scum strategy and still wants to mislynch you two, which is funny lol

Listen to my case and vote with me to win.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yeah, being this good at mafia comes at a cost. People don't see that. They just talk about the wins, the glory, the solves. They don't see the hard work behind that, the failures that build the confidence, and the haters that swarm about.

[Albert B. Rampage]

OK I don't care about your defense because you're the logical lynch today to avoid insta-losing.

Let's suppose you are town, we get to d3 and it's me, dsj and mohab, you're me, who do you vote then?

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's too dangerous to lynch mohab/dsjrt from my perspective. I won't self-vote. My options are extremely limited even if you are telling the truth.

You said I was obvious town before.

So if it's me, mohab, and dsjstr because we mislynch you/me, then what happens next? Who is the last scum and why?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Scum didn't want to lynch group 1, very clearly. All can see that. I MADE that happen. So yeah I'm a hell of a lot more clear than you. On the offchance you are town, I want to know who you think is scum between dsjstr and mohab. Take all the time need, I'm not voting you.

I will not change my mind and vote dsjstr/mohab today and doom this game if it's you.

If you're town, I'll let my ego take the hit and scumhunt on day 3 to find the winning solve.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Just read my iso, if somebody thinks I'm scum after that then they are crazy.

Spoiler:

What kind of crazy ass distribution is this? This is fucked.

Scum would just put all 3 in group 1 knowing that nobody will self-lynch, and then sweep the game from there.

I highly doubt scum placed all 3 members in group 1

That's exactly what they should do though.

VOTE: group 3

You are voting your own group?

I was also thinking of voting for group 3 tbh

Group 1 is too risky and if there is 1 member in group 2 then even without reads it would be a 50/50 we get them the next day.

They probably stuffed group 1 with 2-3 scum.

i wouldn't be surprised if we won outright after 1 lynch lol

VOTE: group 1

I think this is the shortcut to victory.

VOTE: group 1

I think this is the shortcut to victory.

Why do you think scum wouldn't put 1 scum in group 1?

I think they are betting on town self preservation and not lynching themselves so they stack the biggest group with scum.

Hard disagree on cutting out group 1

I think scum stacked the setup in a way where we cant win a whole lot no matter which group we pick. Most likely 2/0/1 or 2/1/0

Theres not a lot of incentive to pick 3/0/0 over 2/0/1. other than WIFOM

I think they are more incentivized to gamble it all in one group.

Safety in numbers.

They could, yeah, but i dont think that's the most likely option. Placing just 2 in group one minimizes the risk and gives them almost the same level of safety

Instead of losing if group one goes down, they get a MYLO. And if theres a lynch outside group one, they lose 0 or 1 scum for 2-3 townies

Yeah 1v4 is manageable. Either way there's 2 scum in group 1 at minimum.

Is it worth spending effort for this game when we can just vote group 1 out and kill 2/3 scum and get rid of a bunch of unknown slots.

Maybe we should just scumhunt among group 2 or 3?

I checked the other partition game from 2011 to see how it played out. Scum were spread out one was in group 1, one was in group 2, and another was in group 3. On the vote count there was a message on day 1 saying groups have changed and vote count got reset. A scum player got switched to another group and the group that got lynched on day 1 were all town. I wonder if the same thing is going to happen here. Lynching in group 1 does look risky if they are all town plus add the group change on day 1 if that happens. My guess is one scum will be in group 1, one in group 2, and another in group 3.

1 in group 2 is crazy, there would be confscum from PoV

If there was ever a reason to quicklynch, this would be the funniest time to do it guys.

Clidd and Albert for scum

We lynch there today

I'd like to see you try.

Something about scum!Albert's plan being "enter hard pushing group 1 in hopes of lynching it" doesn't sit right about me. It feels full of agenda and scummy, so I'm leaning town on him.

I make a hard decision between being lazy or winning when I start a game. Finally I found a game where I can choose both!

So conversely, if you're scum, you'd pick the 1/1/1 since that also lets you be lazy and win

1/1/1 is a long hard road to victory for the scum, they automatically lose 1 player no matter what the town does.

If I were scum I would put all in 1 group.

Mod: is it possible the groups are re-arranged in the middle of the game?

Middle of the day, rather.

If it's 1/1/1 you should vote for my group, group 2.

Lynching group 1 would instantly win scum the game

Madness. You are scum.

all 3 scum are in group 1 and will fight tooth and nail to avoid instantly losing.

1-0-2 makes zero sense.

its 2-0-1 or 3-0-0.

You can’t instantly lose as town if all 3 scum are in group 1, no matter which group you lynch

You're not reading what I'm writing!

SCUM INSTANTLY LOSES IF WE LYNCH GROUP 1

1/1/1 is absolutely terrible for scum. Not being in group 1 is terrible. Being in group 2 is terrible. That dont leave many choices!!!

Who’s scum in group 1?

Who fucking cares?

I'm always a null read or I would be a scum lean since I'm not an active member. I get the feeling scum looked up my completed games and they put me on Group 1 and plan on lynching Group 2 or Group 3 on day 1 and on day 2 they would put me in a group that would get lynched. I also think whoever are scum in this game are trying way too hard to look towny and it is Group 1 who is getting town read alot.

I don't like Adorable's entrance either

This post looks like shade throwing and you didn't elaborate on why you didn't like my entrance and this is the kind of post I normally scum read when I don't see a player elaborate.

I think 2 scum are in Group 1 and that's why I'm voting there.

Somebody gets it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it's 95% odds there's 2-3 scum in group 1. I ain't scumhunting. Scum are stupid to divide the town this way.

I admit it’s likely there’s 2-3 scum in group 1 but wouldn’t you want to confirm your theory with reads on players in group 1?

No I don't care. The odds of being correct is lower than the odds of falsely accusing someone who will think I'm scum because I guessed wrong.

I think group 2 is all town based on my reads and the partitions are 2-0-1, 1-0-2, or 3-0-0.

Yes, this is correct. Does everyone agree with these possible compositions?

I think group 2 is all town based on my reads and the partitions are 2-0-1, 1-0-2, or 3-0-0.

Yes, this is correct. Does everyone agree with these possible compositions?

Except that 1-0-2 is FAR TOO RISKY. If we lynch group 2 they lose 2 scum and it's up to 1 scum to fight the whole town with no kills after N1?

Seems improbable. It's 3-0-0 or 2-0-1.

I think group 2 is all town based on my reads and the partitions are 2-0-1, 1-0-2, or 3-0-0.

Yes, this is correct. Does everyone agree with these possible compositions?

Except that 1-0-2 is FAR TOO RISKY. If we lynch group 2 they lose 2 scum and it's up to 1 scum to fight the whole town with no kills after N1?

Seems improbable. It's 3-0-0 or 2-0-1.

I assume you meant to say if we lynch group 3?
That logic applies to all the possibilities I mentioned. I think 2-0-1 is the least risky for scum but what you said certainly applies to 3-0-0 since the risk isn't even that they only have 1 scum left, they just lose.

Yes. Exactly.

Its 2 0 1 or 3 0 0.

Group 3 is the most easy to lynch.

Group 2 is the safest option to continue the game with no clear winner.

Group 1 is where all the scum are hiding.

This isn't a scumhunt this is just outguess the scum and vote logically.

Theres no need to scumhunt today.

Makes no sense to put 1 scum in a 2 player group.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Scum didn't want to lynch group 1, very clearly. All can see that. I MADE that happen. So yeah I'm a hell of a lot more clear than you. On the offchance you are town, I want to know who you think is scum between dsjstr and mohab. Take all the time need, I'm not voting you.

I will not change my mind and vote dsjstr/mohab today and doom this game if it's you.

If you're town, I'll let my ego take the hit and scumhunt on day 3 to find the winning solve.

Why weren't you killed then ?

You put a lot of work calling me town day 1.

I was suspecting group 3 day 1, same as you. I never said I suspected you.

I think you use me today to vote mohab/dsjstr and turn them against each other and win.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's obvious mohab/dsjstr is town to me, they both wanted to lynch themselves yesterday. Scum would obviously try to go for the option with no scum in it instead of self-voting. It's plain and evident that they are town. That's my conclusion.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Then I would kill enomis (which I could push), leave you and me isolated in antagonistic slots and put two scumreads together in a group knowing that the logic would be to lynch the isolated slots to decrease the PoE and therefore would have to go 1v1 with you (someone who pushed group 1 from the start/my TR)? No, it doesn't make sense.

I think you expect me to push group 1 here with you and get them to turn on each other. They were willing to self vote yesterday. We were perfectly aligned day 1. It makes perfect sense.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's obvious mohab/dsjstr is town to me, they both wanted to lynch themselves yesterday. Scum would obviously try to go for the option with no scum in it instead of self-voting. It's plain and evident that they are town. That's my conclusion.

Neither of us fully committed to it

I was a showstopper and fucked up the scum's plan. My meta is that I suck as scum btw.

[Albert B. Rampage]

That's moronic if I'm scum here I use clidd and push group 1 to win today.

I am lazy. I don't try to make the longer.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I did my job as the best scumhunter on this site, it's up to you to sheep me or make the game longer or throw the game.

I'm finished here.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: group 3

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mohab vote group 3 with me.

We ask the mod to end the day due to being deadlocked 2-2.

Mod will flip a coin to see who gets lynched between me and clidd. That's the rules.

I'm happy to risk my life to lynch lying scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If clid was town his townread of me doesn't dissipate like that.

Clidd just cares about survival. I don't care about survival. I win when all the scum die. I think djstr is a noob to this site that's why he's being so easily exploited by clidd-scum. Town doesn't need him to win.

It's 50-50 between me and clidd, if I get unlucky and die lynch clidd tomorrow and win.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's game over, mohab votes you it's 2-2 and mod flips a coin to see who dies. Good game all, please consider who played the best in this game and nominate the player for a scummy award at the end of the game. I will read the dead thread comments, I appreciate your feedback!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Being in a 1 v 3 might not be as good as it sounds. Who ever the mafia is will kill someone from group 2 because of all the lynchbait in group 3. They will probably divide the 3 into separate groups which will lead us to imploding in on ourselves. Even if the person from group 2 is town how likely is it that the right bait is lynched? We need to stop talking about lynching based on the setup and start solving. No reason to rush this.
UNVOTE:

I'm 100% convinced dsjstr is town with posts like this.

Mohab is also 100% town.

It's game over and town wins no matter if I die or you die today clidd.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Your pathetic attempts at antagonizing me are due to your failure to recognize that I'm a master scumhunter with 13 years of experience and 200+ games under my belt. I eat noobscum like you for breakfast.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm not voting 100% town (me). It will be 50% chance of sudden death between me and you. So, are you feeling lucky, punk?

[Albert B. Rampage]

- A lynch will occur once a majority decision is reached. If no majority is reached by deadline, then I will select whichever result has the most votes, or choose one randomly where there is a tie.

Self-voting is against the spirit of mafia. Mohab, vote for his group and we will go to the mod's coinflip.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote group 3 to lynch clidd.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Dsjstr, vote for group 3.

[Albert B. Rampage]

He's afraid to die. He thinks he can manipulate you tomorrow. I have no fear of death because I'm with you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're wrong. I don't need your vote. At all. 50-50 baby let's flip it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

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Clidd was scum in both of these games.

Considering you're 100% confident he's scum, I feel like that it shouldn't matter if we lynch you first, then Albert. Right?

I don't see this as scum!clidd I would rather lynch you before clidd

You're not just wrong you are triple wrong. The only scum is clidd. I don't know if this is your rookie game playing mafia but you are far out of your depth here.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't make mistakes. If I lose the coin toss and flip town, you vote clidd. No room for discussion. I flip green, you vote clidd; town wins. As simple as that.

Don't fuck up.

[Albert B. Rampage]

no I'm not here to teach newbes how to scumhunt. You're looking for tips? Read the mafia guides I wrote 10 years ago. How many LYLO situations have you been in since you joined? This is an easy decision. Clidd chose you to be in group 3 and he chose you again to be in group 1, because he smelled weakness in you. He thinks you ain't shit. Clidd doesn't give a single fuck about you and is about to use you to win for his team. You want to go down getting backstabbed by scum, be my guest. You can learn about scumhunting the hard way, through loss and being blindsided.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't care if you like me, I don't care if you improve as a player, and I definitely don't care if you vote with me or not. I'm not here to handhold anyone. My bulletproof case is done, take it or leave it.

Okay, let's look at what we know and attempt to find answers to what we don't. Let me begin.

1) We know that mafia checked the previous game with 1/1/1 distribution from Ame's post. They chose to do a 2/1/0 or a 2/0/1 distribution so they had a

lynchbait option where no scum dies

. The question is, was that group 2 or group 3?

Of course, we know my theory:

Spoiler:

Group 3 is the most easy to lynch.
Group 2 is the safest option to continue the game with no clear winner.
Group 1 is where all the scum are hiding.

GROUP 3 IS LYNCHBAIT DO NOT VOTE GROUP 3

VOTE GROUP 1 OR 2

1 IF YOU LIKE TO WIN FAST

2 IF YOU LIKE LONG GAMES WITH LOW INFO

THERE ARE YOUR CHOICES

2) We know the last scum NK'd enomis from group 3. Why? Well first, let's look at scum-Ame's early day 1 posts.

I looked a bit through the first game. Scum also placed one in each group.

I think this opening comes from one of the numbers-oriented players.

Who do you know that is numbers-oriented? How about clidd?

Spoiler:

In summary, I have these combinations in mind:

1- (1)(1)(1)
2- (2)(1)(0)
3- (2)(0)(1)
4- (0)(1)(2)
5- (0)(0)(3)
6- (3)(0)(0)
7- (1)(0)(2)

The first is less likely, as it proposes a slow game and would involve Scum!Albert involved, something that I find a little inconsistent considering that the appropriate form of distribution would be to place players who are vocally transparent in each of the groups, because at the same time as one scum is eliminated, players of relevance would also be, which also makes it evident that the composition {Clidd, Albert} is strongly antagonistic to this idea, which is why I imagine it to be unlikely. The second would also involve Scum!Albert, but it doesn't make a lot of sense because it would be better done with the addition of 1 ~ 2 players to group 2, something that would be more interesting in the sense of cost-benefit, especially because the group 3 does not seem to me to be a weak trio verbally, which would be characterized as a disadvantage for group 2 early in the game and would make this type of formation unfeasible. The third is plausible, considering that the camouflage of 2 members in the group with the largest number of players would be a safe move, while one of the members of group 3 would be instructed to push against the smaller group, being able to use both the pretext of Albert's existence, which is a slot with a shallow playstyle, as well as the numerical justification, considering that only 2 players will be lynched, therefore, the loss would be, theoretically, less than the lynch of group 1 ~ 3. The fourth would make sense only in the scenario where the two scums in group 3 were planning to deliver Scum!Albert via buss to gain town credibility early in the game, but the fact that they only put one more player in the group, instead of adding more players, reduce the damage done and imply a very early disadvantage for them, which might not be worth it in the long run, considering that there would eventually be speculation and suspicion about the centralization of votes in the group, which probably would not take long to lead to the inference that there was a bus in the middle of the wagon. The fifth would be possible in the scenario in which Scum!Dsj, Scum!Enomis and Scum!Mohab were able to embark on a risky gambit, but I believe that this would underestimate the cognitive capacity of group 1 and does not fit the profile of Scum!Dsj ( at least as far as I observed in our scum in common), where he would probably strongly suggest the change of composition due to the lack of security he would feel. The push, in this context, would also be group 2. The sixth seems more plausible to me than the fifth, considering that there are players like Scum!Hoctac and Scum!Ame who could build a narrative where groups 3 and 2 were the main lynchs , under the pretext that the numerical force of group 1 would make the materialization of a lynch unfeasible, and that it would be safer in the mathematical sense to choose groups 2 and 3. The seventh also makes sense, with the same push reasoning of compositions 3 and 5.

Conclusion:

compositions 3, 5, 6 and 7 make sense in my conception, considering that I can imagine the establishment of pushs on group 2 only because of the existence of Albert in it. That said, I am inclined to think that group 3 has expressive chances of having scum in its composition.

Here's the theory: If Group 3 was lynchbait, and town didn't go for it, clidd had to kill enomis because he was the only one from group 3 who sheeped me to vote group 1. Lynching group 1 was bad for scum, so clidd hopes to frame the remaining group 3 who were off-wagon to win the game on Day 2.

3) We know scum didn't want to get group 1 lynched, as evidenced by Ame's posts:

But I think going the route of minimizing casualties is better for our chances of winning, particularly because we can get more days and scumhunting out of it and will have flips to work off of. Whereas going G1 we are essentially gambling without prior knowledge of who is on the scum team and how they think. Going one of the other groups actually gives us evidence of how they think and we can work from there. Right now we are just random guessing and going in circles.

So why does Ame change her mind and vote group 1 at the end of the day? Most likely because the final scum said "I got this" and she put her faith in that player's math. Again, who's the numbers guy in the scum team? We know it's not Ame, and we know it's not Raya, so by elimination it has to be the third scum.

When we look at Raya's post, who is playing a more straightforward mafia game, she's trying to set up group 3 for a lynch as well:

Group 3 is for in-betweeners afraid of taking risks but still want to hit at least 1 scum maybe.

Isn't that kinda a good thing?

The fact that no one from group 2 or 3 has hammered group 1 pretty much confirms my theory of minimal scum in groups 2-3.

This is a good point. Because of this I'll consider group 1 but first I need to actually find 2 or 3 people on it I actually think are scum and so far I'm mostly only seeing scummy players in group 3.

4) We know that if we mislynch group 3 today, it's instant-lose. So let's compare me and clidd.

''@Clidd, do you have a read on Albert outside of partition composition?''If you want, I can go into details, but basically it is because of the way he is playing. The aggressiveness he showed in defending the idea that group 1 is strategically feasible to be lynched seems to me an ignorant behavior that I see coming from an interpersonal trait characteristic of his profile, where he is probably frustrated/irritated by the gamestate, which makes sense within the scenario in which Town!Albert demonstrates emotional levels that would not make much sense in the Scum!Albert mentality, where he would be aware that his reasoning is fraudulent. In other words, it is my interpretation of the slot to distinguish that his expressions/reactions are within a natural spectrum of conduct, very different from what I feel about Ame, for example (which is forced).

He says it's ignorant to want to lynch group 1 but I'm town. What are the main differences between us?

A) I wanted to lynch group 1 from the start, which Raya and Ame didn't want.
B) I was on the final lynch of group 1, and clidd is not.
C) I wanted to avoid casting suspicion on clidd, so I could break the game in the final day and win. clidd wanted to avoid casting suspicion on me, so that group 3 gets lynched day 1, and that I would side with him on day 2.

5) We know that clidd heavily buddied me from day 1.

surprised

Do you consider Albert to be a verbally strong player ?

UNVOTE:

Scum backing down

You are deliberately trolling or are scum, I am still waiting for the explanation of my push and the sudden change of posture on post 542.

6) We know that clidd was setting up group 3 as the day 2 lynch.

From my pov is: Mohab>Enomis>Dsj to scum out of group 1.

If I am wrong and we won, I will be extremely surprised to have bad reads about group 3.

If i were setting up these groups, it would seem really obvious to me as scum that Group #3 is going to receive the most lynch pressure.

It's got an extra player over group #2, so in theory, town would think they get higher chances of hitting scum in there. This is subjective, but they didn't put any of the players that i know are good at seeming towny in there (like Cat, Ame, clidd, Kanna). Someone in group 3 admitted they usually get scumread.

And now, indeed, the majority of the game seems to be having suspicions towards group #3. Even all three group #3 members seem to suspect group #3, lmao

i do lean town on Mohab and Enomis as well. Dsjr i dont have an explicit read on yet but i havent found him scummy per se

At this point, im feeling there's 2-3 scum in group one and 0-1 scum outside

I feel like group #2 has a better chance of hitting scum, and if there is no scum outside group #1, it limits our losses a bit as well

I can understand your reasoning, but I believe that you are underestimating group 3. The pressure, in my opinion, would be in the lynch of group 2, considering the attempts to push during the day, and they only eased when I was able to participate more actively in the game, this clearly does not seem normal to me.

Especially considering that I expressed a scumread on Mohab yesterday and was scumhunting in group 3 without ever publicly suspecting clidd. Clidd has been mirroring this and suspecting Mohab since day 1 as well. All his actions make sense coming into today with his evaluation of me thus far.

7) Finally, I would say that clidd has been acting like he knows too much.

I agree about the game state indicating 2 scums on group 1, but I highly doubt that they are 3 because of the reads that I have on group 3. It would be an insult to my analysis ability to say that group 3 is entirely town, so my solve at the moment is 2-0-1.

He knows what he's doing. He sees where the game needs to go for him to win. There isn't any doubt or second thoughts in his play.

Now that I've laid out my case, you should feel confident in the fact that I am one of the top scumhunters on this site. I just completed another game where I nailed all of the scum and accurately predicted their strategy on day 2. Rest assured that it's normal for me to see the matrix. I'm not trying to bamboozle you. Even if I were, lynching clidd does not end the game if he's town. Lynching dsjstr or Mohab will.

[Albert B. Rampage]

How did clidd get me on his team?

And one more thing: if it's LYLO with clidd flipping town, I'm voting for mohab with you. I will not vote against you because just as sure as you are oblivious right now for your lack of experience, you are also the most obvious town in the game. Congratulations on that part.

[Albert B. Rampage]

How did clidd get me on his team?

He sensed you are the weakest player in this game. The easiest one to confuse and tricked. And to be frank, I think he was STILL shocked that you took his side without hesitation. It's the only thing he has going for him because I dropped a bulletproof case that any of the dead players would instantly sheep and win the game for our team. We would be fucking celebrating an amazing win right now if it were anyone but you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

How did clidd get me on his team?

And one more thing: if it's LYLO with clidd flipping town, I'm voting for mohab with you. I will not vote against you because just as sure as you are oblivious right now for your lack of experience, you are also the most obvious town in the game. Congratulations on that part.

So now you want me on your team?

We're on the same team whether you realize it now, or after I flip green. We ride together, we win together. Clidd has tricked you from jump when we started day 2 and you voted me of your own free will. Take the evening to reflect on that, I have other shit to do than to babysit.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Clidd; congrats on mindfucking new players to the site into voting for their own team. If you win, you earned it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Coin toss. 1v1 me if you have any balls.

[Albert B. Rampage]

if clidd flips green, I'll vote mohab and djstr will vote me. Mohab can vote me and I'll have no choices. I bet my entire mafia career that clidd flips red.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I spent half my life playing this game on this site and outside.

I might lose a game every so often, but what I care about is knowing that my skills are sharp enough to catch scum easily.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Prove it 1v1 me on the coin toss.

[Albert B. Rampage]

if you're town clidd, djstr votes me tomorrow anyway and I'm not voting him as God is my witness. Mohab hammers me. There's no way out for me.

Let's see you put some skin in the game and see what happens

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yeah. Everything depends on mohab.

[Albert B. Rampage]

When you're as good as I am at scumhunting, you lose touch with how to tell people what they want to hear in the precise way they want to hear it.

Winning for this long, being right for such a long time, it makes you appear unsympathetic. I'm sorry if I've hurt anyone.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You failed to see the sarcasm in my last post. Pathetic. I'm not actually sorry hahahahaha

[Albert B. Rampage]

Seriously though, it's fun to be town and act the way you want, because you know that if you get mislynched, they will backwards rationalize that you were too scummy and had to be eliminated to advance the game anyway. So whether I act like a cartoon villain, your schoolyard bully, or play nice, the result is going to be the same. It doesn't increase my team's chance to win to pay compliments, and be nurturing, and talk logically for 20 pages so one or two players can break my heart and vote against me. I've lost too many times to go through the effort of that again!

Good luck catching clide guys. Rampage out.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Can we get over this circus already? I know what I am doing. I am voting for clidd, if clidd somehow flips town, I am voting for Albert tomorrow.

VOTE: group 3

clidd, if you're town, I promise to lynch Albert tomorrow.

Thanks Mohab!

Mod: Can we have a vote for going to coinflip between me and clidd, since we are deadlocked and cannot go on right now?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unless dsjstr agrees to lynch Clidd 1st and me 2nd if Clidd flips town, and votes group 3 now, we are going to coinflip gentlemen. I hope the graveyard is cheering town on!! What an exciting moment!!!

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's ok for me to end the day now. If dsjstr wants to sleep on his decision and vote for clidd first, I will oblige.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Just look at clidds scum games @Mohab if you still think it is him then we will have to do the coinflip

I skimmed through this game:

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If you look at clidd-scum's posts, he looks pretty convincing. He's good at playing scum.

Do you disagree?

[Albert B. Rampage]

dsjstr you were scum with clidd in that game. You know he's intelligent and convincing as scum. LOL!

Are you joking??

I found clidd with zero meta or previous knowledge about him or knowing if he's good at scum or not. You knew he was good at scum. Everyone in post-game was like "well played clidd".

Hahahaha dude.

Sheep me and let's win this, brother.

[Albert B. Rampage]

dsjstr its your choice if we lynch clidd now or if we go to coinflip in which case mohab has promised to vote for me tomorrow if clidd flips town. It's your decision, trust your gut and let's do this.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You should start at page 1, very different from this game. Or any town game I was in where he was town. The only other game I saw that was like this was his other scum game I posted about.

That was two games by the way.

Do you think he will play the same each time he gets a scum role pm? Knowing that you're there?

[Albert B. Rampage]

He's experienced enough to switch around his play and adapt to win. Just trust us on this one, you have nothing to lose, nobody scumreads you, all the power is in your hands today / tomorrow so just help us win today please.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You should start at page 1, very different from this game. Or any town game I was in where he was town. The only other game I saw that was like this was his other scum game I posted about.

That was two games by the way.

Do you think he will play the same each time he gets a scum role pm? Knowing that you're there?

No which is why he changed it for the second game.

Exactly, he can do what he wants because just like me he wants to win, he doesn't care what playstyle or persona he needs to do it.

Come on man, let's put a mark on the board for town with this lynch and celebrate a nice win in a cool game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mod: I take back the coin flip for now

I think I can convince you to lynch clidd, I feel like you're halfway there. This is an easy decision.

[Albert B. Rampage]

dsjstr its your choice if we lynch clidd now or if we go to coinflip in which case mohab has promised to vote for me tomorrow if clidd flips town. It's your decision, trust your gut and let's do this.

I find you very uncomfortable with the coinflip, even though you should know, theoretically, that your flip being town I am certainly lynched tomorrow.

Correct. Your tricks and lies will not be enough to convince dsjstr you're town. I underestimated him. He can win this game for us today, I'll give him the credit he deserves.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mod: I take back the coin flip for now

I think I can convince you to lynch clidd, I feel like you're halfway there. This is an easy decision.

You should keep the coinflip

No I'm not keeping it. I can convince you.

nice dodge

Darling, it's not a dodge at all. I'm just town, and you're flailing.

your entire post screams LIAR

if you were truly town, you wouldn't have voted for pine with me almost getting lynched just to get towncred once I died

you could also have tried to argue why i was town in your pov, but you didn't. you didn't care if i was going to get lynched or not

besides being a liar you are superficial in your motivations

This post from the game you linked sounds like clidd right now.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Give me 2 weeks to talk to dsjstr, I will convince him to vote clidd with no need for a coinflip. Clidd exploited the doubt dsjstr had in my slot, but the more we talk the more he will see I'm being my authentic town self.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'll vote for the coinflip at deadline in June when quarantine is over, but we have a solid 2 weeks to talk and be reasonable with each other. This will give dsjstr the time to look at all my mafia games and do a full meta analysis of why I can't be scum in this game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mod: I take back the coin flip for now

I think I can convince you to lynch clidd, I feel like you're halfway there. This is an easy decision.

You should keep the coinflip

No I'm not keeping it. I can convince you.

nice dodge

Darling, it's not a dodge at all. I'm just town, and you're flailing.

your entire post screams LIAR

if you were truly town, you wouldn't have voted for pine with me almost getting lynched just to get towncred once I died

you could also have tried to argue why i was town in your pov, but you didn't. you didn't care if i was going to get lynched or not

besides being a liar you are superficial in your motivations

This post from the game you linked sounds like clidd right now.

Isn't this post I quoted of him from that game exactly the same kind of scumposting he's defaulting to here?

[Albert B. Rampage]

same accusatory tone, confrontational attitude, fake confidence he's right, passionate attacks and pleading town bullshit.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why do you think clidd is town?

So far you just seem like you're afraid to "lose him" because you think he's a good player.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Who said anything about a coinflip? I want to talk. We have until June to decide. Pull up a chair and make yourself comfortable. We will comb through the evidence together.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You seemed fairly enthusiastic about a coinflip. Why are you backing out right before it could potentially and most likely happen.

At first, I thought you were a noob with blinders on who was going to delay the town victory.

Now I'm concerned you might cost us the game even if I die because you trust clidd too much, and I'm hopeful you can turn around your wrong assumptions.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If the coin kills me, clidd has a chance of playing in your head like he's doing now and make us both lose.

We need to talk about Mohab and clidd and evaluate everything from the beginning over the next two weeks. I can't let you lose the game for town without working my ass off to help us all win.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I was lazy in this game. I thought we could win by page 30.

We might need to pump the page count to 80 or 120, but by the end of it, town will be less at risk of losing to clidd.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Sure. What would make you second guess your townread on clidd?

Help me understand why you townread him above me and mohab.

What did you think of my case?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't care if I die but if you make two poor decisions in a row, we all lose. This is a worse-case scenario that we can't afford and must exhaust every possible option before risking.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Can you start with how I am 100% town.

If you're scum you just let clidd die and win tomorrow...it's obvious.

Of course you are both town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Being in a 1 v 3 might not be as good as it sounds. Who ever the mafia is will kill someone from group 2 because of all the lynchbait in group 3. They will probably divide the 3 into separate groups which will lead us to imploding in on ourselves. Even if the person from group 2 is town how likely is it that the right bait is lynched? We need to stop talking about lynching based on the setup and start solving. No reason to rush this.
UNVOTE:

I'm 100% convinced dsjstr is town with posts like this.

Mohab is also 100% town.

It's game over and town wins no matter if I die or you die today clidd.

You mean when I quoted you here?

This is a post only a townie would make.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Sure. What would make you second guess your townread on clidd?

Help me understand why you townread him above me and mohab.

What did you think of my case?

Why do you have no comments about my case?

[Albert B. Rampage]

why can't you explain your townread on clidd?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why were you so ready to vote me?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I want you to walk me through two alternate universes and explain all my actions day 1 and day 2.

One as town

One as scum

Tell me how my strategy benefits my win condition in both cases.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Just explain it, walk us through your hypothesis, everyone in the dead PT is reading your explanation and wants to be enlightened.

[Albert B. Rampage]

But I'm still 100% town and you are still the best scum hunter on the site?

You are correct.

[Albert B. Rampage]

So here's the thing.

You think that I chose a distribution of 2/1/0 leaving an option to lynch group 3 who were all town, but all I did all of day 1 was tunnel on group 1 with my 2 buddies inside.

Then, I had one townie (MorningTweet) who believed so strongly I was town that she put group 1 at L-1 for me to prove I wouldn't hammer.

All of this while doing zero scumhunting. At any point in time I could have been the one everyone voted for.

Now if I thought I could lynch group 1 and get everyone to self-vote, why didn't I just put my scumbuddies in groups 2 and 3 instead of group 1? Why didn't I do 1/1/1? Why not keep MorningTweet or someone that I can persuade in the endgame with me?

Anyways, so then Day 2 comes. Clidd townreads me from day 1. I scumread mohab from day 1. But the optimal scum strategy for me here is to write a very clear case on the one person townreading me? And then after he flips town, I have to convince the guy I was attacking and you to vote for each other?

Does this plan make sense to you as scum?

Now how about from a town perspective. I correctly guess most of the scum are in group 1 and tunnel it in order to outWIFOM the scum with zero scumhunting effort. I try to convince people I'm not leading a 1/1/1 scumteam to appease the paranoia. I am proven correct and deduce the last scum day 3 no matter if it's inconvenient for my survival or not. And here we are talking now.

So which makes more sense? Explain to me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

your performance proving it is not 1-1-1 makes you look like town

My proving I'm not the leader of a 1-1-1 conspiracy doesn't make me look town and when I wrote my case against clidd I didn't mention it at all. It means jack shit now. Look at everything else I did. Look at my logical case.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I meant why the fuck would mafia not put themself in the group of two for the scum reasoning for D2

Clidd expected me to vote for the biggest group day 2 like I did day 1.

Me + clidd + one of you self-votes and scum win.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Go back to day 1 and read clidds interactions with me. He keeps saying he already deduced I'm town. Its suicide if I'm scum to not create a better endgame for myself.

[Albert B. Rampage]

That's really surprising you went for that. plus group #3 fooled a lot of people including me reads-wise. nice job

You should have followed my reads.

I am now confirmed town or the only scum in groups 2 and 3 and I just put both my scumbuddies at L-1 twice

I'm not surprised, my reads already pointed out that you were town long before.

[Albert B. Rampage]

There's so many logical leaps you have to take in order to come to the conclusion that I'm scum and until you can explain those, you can't convince mohab to lynch me before clidd.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Clidds theory about the scum setting him up is also transparently false just look at their posts, they aren't setting up anyone.

[Albert B. Rampage]

So here's the thing.

You think that I chose a distribution of 2/1/0 leaving an option to lynch group 3 who were all town, but all I did all of day 1 was tunnel on group 1 with my 2 buddies inside.

Then, I had one townie (MorningTweet) who believed so strongly I was town that she put group 1 at L-1 for me to prove I wouldn't hammer.

All of this while doing zero scumhunting. At any point in time I could have been the one everyone voted for.

Now if I thought I could lynch group 1 and get everyone to self-vote, why didn't I just put my scumbuddies in groups 2 and 3 instead of group 1? Why didn't I do 1/1/1? Why not keep MorningTweet or someone that I can persuade in the endgame with me?

Anyways, so then Day 2 comes. Clidd townreads me from day 1. I scumread mohab from day 1. But the optimal scum strategy for me here is to write a very clear case on the one person townreading me? And then after he flips town, I have to convince the guy I was attacking and you to vote for each other?

Does this plan make sense to you as scum?

Now how about from a town perspective. I correctly guess most of the scum are in group 1 and tunnel it in order to outWIFOM the scum with zero scumhunting effort. I try to convince people I'm not leading a 1/1/1 scumteam to appease the paranoia. I am proven correct and deduce the last scum day 3 no matter if it's inconvenient for my survival or not. And here we are talking now.

So which makes more sense? Explain to me.

Okay so my master plan is to bus both my buddies and look super town but then for some reason not get NK'd.

Come on it's obvious I'm town. Everyone know that I'm bad at playing scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yes, ok. You're a mastermind of scumhunting. Now, accept the coinflip and if you live, you will be treated as "conftown" and me as "confscum" by PoE if I live.

The exact same logic applies in reverse to you.

I think your wording was "self-vote if you have any dignity".

You just are afraid to die and think you can win day 3. It's not gonna happen, you need to die first.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You seemed fairly enthusiastic about a coinflip. Why are you backing out right before it could potentially and most likely happen.

At first, I thought you were a noob with blinders on who was going to delay the town victory.

Now I'm concerned you might cost us the game even if I die because you trust clidd too much, and I'm hopeful you can turn around your wrong assumptions.

You're not even reading anymore. It's not a victory until you die scumbag.

[Albert B. Rampage]

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Clidd was scum in both of these games.

Considering you're 100% confident he's scum, I feel like that it shouldn't matter if we lynch you first, then Albert. Right?

I don't see this as scum!clidd I would rather lynch you before clidd

Quite easily, in fact ^

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: group 3

I'm already voting group 3 from here and never unvoted.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Don't flash-lynch Albert tomorrow, evaluate Dsj / Mohab first.

Don't worry I'm going to put the time into this game that will win town the game. No hurry to vote.

[Albert B. Rampage]

To be honest, Scum!Clidd and Scum!Albert have no way of winning with the current scenario. I would not be surprised if I am wrong and our interaction was TvT.

It could be. Who's scummier to you between the two of them?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm pretty damn convinced dsjstr is town lol. But you played on his scum team.

Do you think theres ANY chance he can be scum?

Mohab is way more likely. Wayyyyyy more likely.

[Albert B. Rampage]

To be honest, Scum!Clidd and Scum!Albert have no way of winning with the current scenario. I would not be surprised if I am wrong and our interaction was TvT.

I'm just curious, who did you think was scum before I accused you?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mohab makes more sense for the group's organizations and the way she theorized the group 3 "wifom". The current game state implies an intelligent scum, which is incompatible with the Dsj's scumgame.

Yeah I agree.

Between me and mohab, what % do you think it's me vs mohab?

Also mad respect to your scum game, I wouldn't be able to tell if you were actually scum. I didn't see it as worth it for us risking voting the 2 man group and losing to you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

So let me get this straight, ALL THREE OF US suspected mohab coming into day 2 and we mislynched. Fuck. Fuck fuck.

[Albert B. Rampage]

i suspected clidd more than mohab but I made it VERY CLEAR THAT IF I WAS GOING TO LYLO I WAS VOTING MOHAB AND NOT DJSTR.

Yes, I said I was going to vote for the one guy keeping me alive day 2 while day 2 was unfolding, risking my life, OVER the guy who was tunneling me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I am so happy we didnt do the coinflip because clidds last thoughts wouldnt be able to come out. Alright fam we gotchu we gonna win this one in your honor.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If we win in LYLO its a huge team effort. Gg hope to have the privilege of playing with you again.

[Albert B. Rampage]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Albert B. Rampage]

Thank you! Great game. Happy about the outcome! Well played Clidd and scum and djrstr you had an amazing turnaround moment today! We did it!!!!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mohab thanks for keeping your vote on clidd. You made this happen!

[Albert B. Rampage]

putting 75% odds on group 3 getting kiled.

SCHADD LOL! Underestimated the town!

[Albert B. Rampage]

great job hunting down the wolves ABR <33

I would have felt very manipulated if they went with the scum + me group !!

LOL they thought of using your obvtowniness to their advantage!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Thanks guys.

I wanted to share my best practices with the site from a case study of this game.

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