Mini 2136 | City That Never Sleeps [Game over!]

[GuiltyLion]

So FMPOV this wagon was either all town or Titus is scum:

Votecount 2.Final

Target	Wagon
acryon (5)	Atarashi Hajimari (1660), Eve (1956), GuiltyLion (2094), Auro (2104), Titus (2129)
Eve (2)	acryon (1978), skitter30 (2014)
Titus (2)	The Limit Does Not Exist (1635), BBmolla (1903)
Not Voting (0)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. acryon has been lynched.

And this wagon is two scum:

Votecount 3.Final

Target	Wagon
Eve (4)	Tiger Shark (2145), skitter30 (2147), BBmolla (2413), The Limit Does Not Exist (2524)
Not Voting (3)	Morning Tweet, GuiltyLion (2286), Eve (2514)

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Eve has been lynched.

[GuiltyLion]

Titus I wanna know why you said earlier that scum!skitter was competent and carried a game, and why that isn't what she might be doing here

and also I wanna know who your VCA says my partner is now, if you're still going to push this

[GuiltyLion]

Molla idk

Titus/Skitter
Titus/Molla

feel like my two potential solves right now

[Titus]

Titus I wanna know why you said earlier that scum!skitter was competent and carried a game, and why that isn't what she might be doing here

and also I wanna know who your VCA says my partner is now, if you're still going to push this

Because she's suspected by almost everyone. I need to redo my VCA again.

HURT: Skitter

I recommend using hurt tags as a method of stating who should vote first. Once someone is hammered through those tags, they must vote. This allows obvtown to vote last.

I put Skitter there because of the overwhelming suspicion on him.

[Titus]

My gut goes back to GL Limit but I am seriously going to kick myself if that's it because I talked myself out of it.

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

Okay now comes the wonderful game of did scum leave us alive because our solve was wrong or just to mess with our heads.

I think the latter is more likely, and in the world where the team isn't skitter Titus I don't think we have the slightest chance of getting the entire town to agree.

-Smart

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

My gut goes back to GL Limit but I am seriously going to kick myself if that's it because I talked myself out of it.

Eh?

-Smart

[Titus]

Well, if you think the team is me and Skitter, you should vote hurt Skitter. With enough votes, she'll be forced to vote first. That's a benefit.

FMPOV, as long as Skitter doesn't guess town, we can eliminate possibilities. FYPOV, scum is voting first


I do think we have a shot at actually lynching scum today, but town has to work as a team and accept differing viewpoints.

I do feel if Skitter is scum and I am wrong, there's only one move Skitter scum can make here. I highly doubt she is though, even now.

[skitter30]

sorry i'm going to be vla without internet access until saturday night

and my life just got significantly busier/more complicated so my activity may be reduced in general next week too

gl is my best bet for scum rn but i'm not sure who the partner is, bb is most likely imo
i need to do a lot of rethinking cuz it's lylo and the eve townflip kinda upended my view of this game

things that i need to do before i can vote/hurt is:
- review vc's
- review early game
- review gl/bb's joint iso to see if they make sense together
- review my townreads to make sure they're reasonable and not unfounded
unfortunately it's exceedingly unlikely i will be able to do this before like sunday ^

also at this point i'm starting to become a bit worried about limit since they're, like, not dead

also i think gl may have scumslipped in twilight

[skitter30]

Okay now comes the wonderful game of did scum leave us alive because our solve was wrong or just to mess with our heads.

I think the latter is more likely, and in the world where the team isn't skitter Titus I don't think we have the slightest chance of getting the entire town to agree.

-Smart

i mean doesn't that argue against skitter/titus from your pov?

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

Well, if you think the team is me and Skitter, you should vote hurt Skitter. With enough votes, she'll be forced to vote first. That's a benefit.

I mean I'm fine with skitter voting first but the hurts don't really matter much unless everyone accepts their authority. I'd rather just see where everyone stands before deciding on anything for sure.

-Smart

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

i mean doesn't that argue against skitter/titus from your pov?

Yes, but my point is that it doesn't argue against it strongly enough for me to change my mind about it being the most likely. I played a game not too long ago where scum left me alive all the way to F3 as a confirmed mason who claimed D2, and my reads were not fantastic but it's not like they were awful and my solve going into F3 was correct.

-Smart

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

Actually, now that I think about it, it doesn't make sense to force someone to vote if they aren't confident. Better would just be to have the most confident person vote first, because that minimizes the chance of TvT, and then we can just go from there.

-Smart

[GuiltyLion]

also i think gl may have scumslipped in twilight

what, because I forgot that there's no PT on a scum flip?

This is a really shitty push lol

if I'm scum and I know Eve is flipping town,

I would have bee aware that there will be a PT and this knowledge would be something only scum have

, and I don't comment about it at all

[GuiltyLion]

also if I'm scum and skitter/Eve are both town, why do I even bother to play D3 the way I did

like that's just pointless effort and way beyond my scum range for a situation where scum is ahead no matter who gets lynched

[GuiltyLion]

one thing I'm wondering whether it may be a problem with the Titus/Skitter solve is I would have expected Titus to accuse me of possibly being scum with skitter, but she's all in on town!skitter even now

surely if we flip scum!skitter today she would be thinking about how to handle that f3?

[GuiltyLion]

I prefer Skitter over Titus today I think

skitter being cw to Eve and the way the wagon flipped over to Eve is indicative of skit scum

also the paranoia about Limit reads kinda fake

[Tiger Shark]

Well, if you think the team is me and Skitter, you should vote hurt Skitter. With enough votes, she'll be forced to vote first. That's a benefit.

FMPOV, as long as Skitter doesn't guess town, we can eliminate possibilities. FYPOV, scum is voting first


I do think we have a shot at actually lynching scum today, but town has to work as a team and accept differing viewpoints.

I do feel if Skitter is scum and I am wrong, there's only one move Skitter scum can make here. I highly doubt she is though, even now.

[GuiltyLion]

also I think the post-Allo NKs in this game should exonerate me unless you want to say it's all WIFOM specifically so I can make this argument now in LYLO

Auro was townreading me and pushing Skit
MT was coming around to townreading me, we just closely worked together in a prior game, and was the only other person off wagon yesterday
I've been strongly townreading Limit all game

if I'm scum I'm giving myself a much harder F5 than a hypothetical one of like, Auro, Molla, MT, myself, Titus

[Tiger Shark]

Well, if you think the team is me and Skitter, you should vote hurt Skitter. With enough votes, she'll be forced to vote first. That's a benefit.

I mean I'm fine with skitter voting first but the hurts don't really matter much unless everyone accepts their authority. I'd rather just see where everyone stands before deciding on anything for sure.

-Smart

Why? If you think Skitter's scum, this let's Skitter scum decide who to vote, with the knowledge of which townie might misvote.

It's true regardless of who is scum. The less information a widely regarded scummy slot has, the better.

Do you want to give Skitter that angle? We can stall the game out once a minimum of 1 v 1 is decided, presuming Skitter votes correctly.

[BBmolla]

Goddamnit

I really wanted to die

[GuiltyLion]

Titus yesterday you were saying you felt your own slot had to vote first, what changed between then and now?

[Tiger Shark]

also I think the post-Allo NKs in this game should exonerate me unless you want to say it's all WIFOM specifically so I can make this argument now in LYLO

Auro was townreading me and pushing Skit
MT was coming around to townreading me, we just closely worked together in a prior game, and was the only other person off wagon yesterday
I've been strongly townreading Limit all game

if I'm scum I'm giving myself a much harder F5 than a hypothetical one of like, Auro, Molla, MT, myself, Titus

GL, I am trying to reset on you. Please don't get all defensive.

[BBmolla]

Limit I don’t really want to talk to the others cause 66% of them are scum

Where you at with this game Limit

[GuiltyLion]

GL, I am trying to reset on you. Please don't get all defensive.

I'm more defensive about Skitter than you rn but fair