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[Clover Ebi]

I looked at it from a claims pov and that doesn't help, so let me throw that out the window.
If I try to story book read it leads me back to thinking Holden is scum.
But if you look at the isos April has a really good scum story lined up where her whole team got on her back and bussed over and over Where Holden is more all over the place because he has great interactions with scum that seem hard to fake. He also softed having a gun. Yet he had a pure town wagon on him.

[Clover Ebi]

we’re both using our claims as an excuse for townie points.

Guilty here. But, I wouldn't do that if I didn't think my claim was impossible to make as scum. Both of your fake claims are very reasonable for scum to make in my eyes. Mine? Not really.

[Clover Ebi]

I wish I was getting pushed for stuff I feel I could defend against.

'You pushed DEB first and led that wagon!' or 'You asked to be roleblocked when we know the last scum is a roleblocker' and to that I can defend because they're very valid points. But, gah!
pedit: You could make the same point for me though! I basically would have to tell Mastina and Chemist I'm gonna out my ninja so that they die! Do I seem like the person that could do that?!

[Clover Ebi]

Why?

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You should let Holden finish his iso read regardless

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Yeah April said it first I'm kinda just standing here stressing out. The best way I can describe it is when you're skydiving and about to jump out of a plan. You're so excited but nervous at the same time and all you need to do is jump but it's so much easier said than done.

[Clover Ebi]

I can't tell if Holden's clear calmness when he has no scumread at the moment is just the fact he's played a lot of lylos or scum that has no reason to have paranoia. But that just seems so obvious and easy to fake

[Clover Ebi]

Like it's not hard to fake paranoia, scum also gain an advantage for doing so. Does that make it towny that he's not doing it? You know what? I'm gonna go put on a nice game of family feud and be back in 30 minutes when I don't feel like this.

[Clover Ebi]

That was a good episode I'm back

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God this ISO is so good

This can mean a lot of things

[Clover Ebi]

I would be very surprised if this was a scum case on you.

[Clover Ebi]

He could easily get you to vote me. If it comes down to who the better debater between Holden and Me is Holden wins by a landslide.

[Clover Ebi]

See I am not surprised at all

[Clover Ebi]

The best part is I know I'm gonna have to defend myself against something, and while I'm good at doing so uh, I don't think I've ever done that big a scale.

[Clover Ebi]

Clover check our neighborhood PT. The real case is there)

This explains why it took you so long on doing just one iso. That is scary and impressive.

Although I don't see why I shouldn't comment out here about it

[Clover Ebi]

Why did you post 1 case in the neighborhood but another one here Holden? What's that supposed to accomplish?

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Clover check our neighborhood PT. The real case is there)

This explains why it took you so long on doing just one iso. That is scary and impressive.

Although I don't see why I shouldn't comment out here about it

How do you know its not a reaction test?

*WIFOM intestfies*

I...hate you WHAT ONE IS THE REAL ONE

[Clover Ebi]

Why did you post 1 case in the neighborhood but another one here Holden? What's that supposed to accomplish?

Wait did you actually fall for the reaction test?

Really did you?

Were we not reaction testing April here?

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Wait you were trying to reaction test me? Huh? I'm confused

[Clover Ebi]

There isn't another case April. I thought we were reaction testing you.

[Clover Ebi]

You were so adamant about it being a scum case I figured seeing your reaction would've helped me see if you were being genuine. I assumed Holden was doing the same thing but it seems he was reaction testing...me?

[Clover Ebi]

Wait you were trying to reaction test me? Huh? I'm confused

Oh shit we reaction test mindmeld there?

I was doing it to see your reaction not hers.

@April: I wanted to see how Clover handled the jest. I doubt it would work, but he started shading me back for not posting it here which made me feel he actually fail to see the obvious reaction test and decided to just use the joke to push me.

Oh, well I don't think if I was scum I'd have fallen for that anyway considering if I called you on it I would have to start paraphrasing that 'case'

[Clover Ebi]

I don't know who's scum between the two of you, even if I have a guess. But I hope you guys enjoyed playing with me as much as I have you

[Clover Ebi]

there was a commuter cop?

[Clover Ebi]

Time to go read BS flip

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`Your doctor action will protect the first two killing actions on human-aligned players rather than only the first killing action.`

Have we had any human like flips?

[Clover Ebi]

Oh. BS the flip I didn't read...haha

[Clover Ebi]

What's a dreaming god?

[Clover Ebi]

My animal has 3 primary colors so I have 3 JOAT shots. If that helps.

[Clover Ebi]

I feel like my tiredness levels are making my want to vote levels go up. So I should probably retire soon

[Clover Ebi]

Does that mean I can vote you now or do you want to finish her iso?

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There is also the speculation in NK over miss lynch, but I don't find there to be a good case for anybody here for ehy she was killed beyond the cop check.

I mean, I could've pushed town you and just killed April if I was scum given Dunnstral and Miss Lynches stances on me.

[Clover Ebi]

You stayed quiet and didn't give a single stance in that final 5. You can't really make a statement on how you killing Miss Lynch helps you at all here. I'm not scum, but I've wanted to vote you the whole phase basically and I've been waiting out of respect to both of you.

[Clover Ebi]

Alright let me ask this then. Why did you wait so long to claim fully? I feel like you just added the miller part because Birds was a cop and that made it so an invest on you would turn up bad.

[Clover Ebi]

Ah, I did forget you townreading Dunn that's my bad. Were you not around a lot of day 5 or? Because you didn't commit to me or April, you just kinda let everyone vote Dunn and didn't defend him at all.

[Clover Ebi]

Holden if I'm scum can you tell me how the setup is even remotely balanced with a Strongman Oracle Ninja universal JOAT that also can change flavor, that can also take off the universal modifer and role block on even nights. Vs a ton of millers a few red hearings and the main power being a cop? Or, go through my iso since you think I'm scum and talk on why I do what I did in a scummy way? I know I don't beat you here, but I'd like you to anyway

[Clover Ebi]

Alright let me ask this then. Why did you wait so long to claim fully? I feel like you just added the miller part because Birds was a cop and that made it so an invest on you would turn up bad.

I claimed miller day 1 along with confused. Way before I would of made the suppose gambit.

Like I said when I claimed. I was interested in seeing if anybody would take the chance to claim the supposed missing KP on bingle. I doubt it would of work, but it worth the shot. That is why I purposely made it sound like somebody would have to be dumb to do it; to provoke the idea that scum could fakeclaim and be consider dumbtown

You can see how great my memory is. But sure, I can buy the second point considering I did the same thing.

[Clover Ebi]

Sure, you can make the argument that my JOAT comes from scum. But there's also a confirmed roleblocker/Flavor changer. With a chance of a commuter given the cop. Seens a bit of a stretch. You can't say content wise April is stronger than me when you haven't even read my iso. I don't think I'll beat you because this is my first lylo as town. You're really good at coming off as genuine as I've stated before. I simply think I'm the weakest in this f3. Not townist wise, but player wise.

[Clover Ebi]

Let's really make this intresting. You been defeative over me and you going into a 1v1 to where you keep saying you have no chance of beating me.

So tell me why April could be scum.

You gave a post where you said everything looks good at the beginning of the day. You choose to go basically 1v1 with me. Do you disagree with my ISO read so far on April?

I don't think it's me being defeative more so my confidence levels aren't as high as I would like them to be considering I was hard fooled by one of you, and if you take away my claim and the fact I could've got a ml off for free there's not a lot of strong points I can build for myself being super townie. Whoever has been changing flavor has been doing the mafia kills since night 1. For April to be scum that'd be risky right? If she's scum we know that scum has been wanting to deep wolf her all game, sure she has a track but being watched was a real possibility that seems risky.

If you want me to go read your April town case I can.

[Clover Ebi]

It's impossible for me to be lying about my flavor if you look at my previous game and this one. I picked the exact same thing twice.

[Clover Ebi]

My item in my first Krazy game was a kingfisher

so I picked the animal to be cheeky

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oriental_dwarf_kingfisher

See? Three colors 3 JOAT powers

[Clover Ebi]

I know you do!

[Clover Ebi]

April are you here? I'm gonna vote Holden and if you're scum I rather just get it over with instead of waiting

[Clover Ebi]

April are you here? I'm gonna vote Holden and if you're scum I rather just get it over with instead of waiting

Not that I think you are but you know what I mean

[Clover Ebi]

Is that the way you guys are taking my points about myself? Because that's not what I'm trying to do it all. But I suppose it's hard to tell via text on mafiascum

[Clover Ebi]

Apologies, that wasn't what I was trying to do. I was mostly trying to point out the fact that on the bare base of playerskill I think both of you beat me.

[Clover Ebi]

Anyway, April feel free to post a dot or vote if you're around but

VOTE: Holden

[Clover Ebi]

Thank goodness

[Clover Ebi]

Sorry I had to take a moment because it felt like ten tons of stress just got off my shoulders.

[Clover Ebi]

I don't have work today so I should be around most of the afternoon.

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God I suck

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No you won. Well played Faking that invest on birds wasn't something I expected.

[Clover Ebi]

Dw Holden they're gonna yell at both of us

[Clover Ebi]

I saw the outline of scum April and decided if it really was a bus party to the end that's gg.

[Clover Ebi]

I never want to be town in a lylo again.

[Clover Ebi]

Was a fun game sorry if I made lylo a bit worse than it probably had to be

[Clover Ebi]

It was so funny and strange to me because seeing how I would have to be scum made me laugh because it's such a savage bussing and selfish play that I would never do. I guess that's why I got so oversold.
Pedit: It is how I felt this entire lylo.