SIR Disease Mafia - Game Over!

[Hoctac]

maybe?

[Hoctac]

I could lynch Nahdia. She had me as a top townread before she voted me for that "slip".

[Hoctac]

*they

[Hoctac]

Oh, nvm, not a top townread; that was someone else.

[Hoctac]

Oh, it's this one lol. Yeah, it's adorable.

[Hoctac]

Wow, I don't know then. Unless it's a pikachu but I'm assuming you know what a pikachu is lol

Or MAYBE

[Hoctac]

oh yea, d4 and still no mango. I could lynch hoctac regardless of how cute his avatar is.

Goddammit, I'm telling you I'll get it to you soon. Not my fault stock's been running so low recently.

[Hoctac]

If it's not this one; oh well, some avatars are better kept in the void due to their power.

[Hoctac]

shrug

Maybe I'll use it again someday and you'll spot it then.

I hope everyone appreciates the quality scumhunting we're doing here.

[Hoctac]

Hey, posskop, reply to me in the hood. Stop being so shady.

Now that Jake and 5G are dead, he's really making himself comfortable in there. I only get 1 room, and he gets the rest of the house.

[Hoctac]

Well, when he first entered he buddied 5G and I, saying it's likely we're all town. Then he ended up voting for and lynching 5G.

Now, he's been saying... stuff. He doesn't want me to reveal but I really want to. I'll get back to you on this one.

[Hoctac]

[Hoctac]

It feels like Quick was infected last night or the night before. He went from mega-efforting with weird reads and associations to doing nothing.

[Hoctac]

A50 has been claiming he's 3p with a wincon base on number of replacements.

"wincon based on number of replacements"? Isn't that a joke?

Almo's tone feels scummy though.

[Hoctac]

If I were scum, Tchill or A50 would have been immediately infected.

Hot take: Tchill and A50 ARE infected, and FL is signaling to them.

FL actually wouldn't need to signal to me if he was scum and I got infected. If I was town and I got infected on N1/N2 I'd know it was him.

Note: "If I was town" is NOT a slip. Remember I claimed to be some kind of a freak role that could have won with 10 replacements on D1 and that threshold increases by one with each

infection

(I said per day because I expected an infection would occur each night for at least the starting 3-4 nights). Now I'm more of a Survivour, so if you are of gobble's opinion and think "not town should go" then I guess you found your lynch of the day, but I assert that it

doesn't advance town/scum wincons

to do that, Town needs to lynch SCUM, and scum want to lynch UNINFECTED Town.

Oh wait, he just outright claimed survivor. Huh.

VOTE: Almo

[Hoctac]

I'm not a troll D:

I've given some nice reads this game. Ircher even PMed me earlier today to tell me how well he thought I was doing. I think that means one of my reads is correct.

[Hoctac]

All I remember about scum!Ari is that he's afraid to give reads and just jokes around in-thread and not much else. This is 3 year old meta though.

Ari, Alchemist, Flavor Leaf all not original scum I reckon.

[Hoctac]

Posskop never replied to me in the hood but I thought things over and I think Alchemist and poss are both alright for now.

[Hoctac]

Posskop never replied to me in the hood but I thought things over and I think Alchemist and poss are both alright for now.

Are you saying you're another member of the hood that Jake and 5G were in?

Yep

[Hoctac]

I would like to see an explicit Hoctac read from everyone, preferably with reasons, ASAP.
The reason will be given later.

Hmm, they're a tough read. I thought they had potential to be a Don Corleone early on, so I was paranoid, but in recent times, they strike me more as a Paragon type of character. Strong townread for now.

[Hoctac]

honestly I don't mind a hectic lynch, idk if this is a troll account for him or something but hectic is a normally trolly player but he does have streaks of doing good shit as town and putting together solves that people can parse instead of this character out of a comedy

Why are you comparing my play here to my townplay but not the game I rolled scum with you?

[Hoctac]

I feel lonely in there, posskop.

[Hoctac]

because it was a hydra game and tbh i still don't know which were your posts and which were shiki's posts

Lul, seriously? Everything signed from me was by me. Everything unsigned was from shiki, other than 3 meme posts where I did some dumb conspiracy theories like the number of pagetops thing or the scum positions in the playerlist.

[Hoctac]

It's a meme cult game. Also, I don't have time to read everything, let alone reread stuff to try and form a solve. In too many other micros/minis for that.

[Hoctac]

VOTE: TSE

What happened to that role you were heavily crumbing, TSE? The WHEEL had better reads than this.

[Hoctac]

He said he had some amazing ability but wanted to claim it after scum had used up their two nightkills. But then I think he claimed he was immune to infections anyway?

[Hoctac]

VOTE: pisskop

This guy maybe.

I’m down with this.
Because I feel as if this flips Scum, I was wrong on Hoctac.
If this flips Town, I’m right and Hoctac and Arti are scum and Town should just shoot them tonight.

VOTE: pisskop

So much for Hoc+poss being unaligned, huh? Now we're both scum apparently.

[Hoctac]

Finally got a new shipment in.

[Hoctac]

I have a 10 in Modesty!

Quality

[Hoctac]

Happy Birthday, Almo!

[Hoctac]

Unless I'm early because of time zones.

[Hoctac]

I scumread this gamestate.

[Hoctac]

Dave, you keep saying I've done nothing but I have done

some

solving this game. Have you actually read through my ISO?

Almo's vote on me is opportunistic, especially since he was hard buddying me 1 or 2 days ago during that slip incident and even calling it a townslip.

VOTE: Almo

[Hoctac]

I mean....ok I can understand why it would look scummy to vote the competing wagon but that's also something that 99% of all town are going to do so.

Bad townies do that. At any rate, the type of play you’re talking about only makes sense at deadline Nero. Before getting to deadline, that type of play has a lot of scum motivation.

I didn't do it for self-preservation though, I was suspecting him before he voted me. I'm not gonna vote people I townread out of survivalism - see the Jake vs Hoctic wagons from 2 days ago. Also, he did the exact same thing but actually didn't have a reason for his vote, so why isn't he sus for it?

Bad turkey.

[Hoctac]

#pagetopmadness
#deathisinescapable

[Hoctac]

(In honour of 5G)

[Hoctac]

It's clidd! Yeah, he's an alt of RCEnigma.

[Hoctac]

I was JK Rowling around. Shame Alchemist immediately proved me wrong.

> ETL enters the game.
> Mastina deathtunnels her.
> ETL deathtunnels Mastina.
> ETL was lynched. Mastina was NKed. Both were town.
> Town lynches my bro Jake because of some mod communication confusion. He was town.
> Town lynches my bro 5G because he was too good for this world. He was town.
> Posskop was infected but seems alright now.
> Almo claimed Survivor as a joke. People jumped on it.
> Almo is scummy for other reasons though.

[Hoctac]

Hoctac, I can't remember you giving any reads that are backed by concrete reasons.
If you're town and care at all about town winning it would be wise to fix that problem.
Not doing this is the biggest part of the reason for the Jake and 5G lynches.
It's arguable that it contributed to ETL's lynch too though I had no part of that and no trouble telling what she thought.

I have though. Read through my ISO again.

[Hoctac]

I was gonna yell some more about Hoctac fading into the background when asked what his reads are, but I noticed a V/LA tag.

Hey, Dave! How you doing?

I scumread Almo. On day 2, you'll notice he was defending me when I was being pushed for that "slip". He seemed pretty sure I was town. Today, however, he has voted me with a non-reason, and provided no reasons for why he thinks I'd flip scum. The way he's been interacting with Cheeky also feels a little more apologetic/off than I'd expect from Almo if he was town.

Also, I worked on a couple of walls just for you:

Spoiler: Bonus

[Hoctac]

(I think the reason he is voting me is because I'm the counterwagon, and he doesn't want to be lynched.)

[Hoctac]

We have 14 hours lol. Might want to start moving your votes.

[Hoctac]

yo ho ho

[Hoctac]

Nah, that's a townslip. As scum, she knows it probably wouldn't do her any favours and it's unlikely people would buy it anyway.

[Hoctac]

Nero feels really overexcited. It's kind throwing me off and I wonder if it's scummy.

Nero, do you ever stop dancing?

[Hoctac]

Oh, that's out in the open now? Posskop claimed he was healed at the end of Day 3 btw. In the night, he was initially telling me he was sure Alchemist was scum based on how he was talking to poss, but then once Alchemist talked to him at the start of day 4, he realised Alchemist was the one that healed him.

[Hoctac]

VOTE: Firebringer

What info you got, Gobsie? You're my number 2 pick for groupscum.

[Hoctac]

They say "don't fear the Hoctac, he's a sleeping dragon that's been dormant for centuries."
Well guess what, the dragon just woke up.

[Hoctac]

Everyone says that about me. That I'm impossible to read and that my scumgame is so good it looks like my towngame, and my towngame is so good, it looks like my scumgame. Thing is, no one ever said anything about my

cultgame

.

[Hoctac]

hoc, we are killing scum cheeky today

She looked townish when she repped in though.

[Hoctac]

Yawn.

VOTE: Auro

Ez scum.

She might be infected if she sees a wagon on her forming and this is her only reaction.

Or MAYBE, that's what she wants us to think.

[Hoctac]

I mean Hoctac was implying that*

Can confirm.

I think she's town or infected mostly likely though.

[Hoctac]

Btw, what's up with Gobsie coming in, dangling some bait about his role, and then leaving again? Why would you not out your innocents straight away? Roast turkey.

[Hoctac]

VOTE: gobbledygook

[Hoctac]

If Gobsie is trying to get us to waste time by waiting for him, doesn't that imply he's infected and not group scum?

[Hoctac]

Cheeky is L-2 in a game with 6~7 scum. Does that suggest anything ?

Infected don't know who the original scum are, so not as much as you're suggesting but yeah, she's probably not group scum.

[Hoctac]

If only Jake and 5G were here. With our powers combined, we'd have a gamesolve out for sure right now.

[Hoctac]

How would infected!Clidd could know that, Leafy? Infected don't know who the scum are.

[Hoctac]

Didn't people ask the mod? Signals are possible but risky, but have you looked through the Cheeky slot's ISO to spot any signals to clidd's slot? What if clidd is just infected who's happy to lynch someone he thinks isn't scum?

[Hoctac]

Spill the beans! Who are your innocents on?

[Hoctac]

Yeah, I remember thinking Cheeky was scum a few days ago cuz they made a weird comment calling me scum.

VOTE: Cheeky

Cheeky/Fire, then the last one is either Gobs or Pisskop.

This was the only reason I could find in your ISO for calling Cheeky scum. Why is she scum?

I'd be sus of you if you didn't claim that announcer thing that's gone unCCed. You could be infected though retaining your abilities.

[Hoctac]

Who was she protecting with the chainsaw?

[Hoctac]

Original scum chainsawed to protect an infected? They need to go to those lengths to save expendable infected. I don't think that's a great case, m8.

I'm not even confident on Cheeky being not scum, I just don't see where this massive confidence comes from.

My prediction is Cheeky was infected last night since she was solving the last day phase, but now doesn't seem to care.

[Hoctac]

actually I do, but do you have anything you want to claim?

this is me not trusting you. based on what Ive seen

The fact that I’m asking should tell you all you need to know to trust me.

True, this was on Day 4. Alchemist would be a high priority infection on Night 4.

I'm down to being PLed btw. It gives me a rush.

[Hoctac]

Day 5 begins!

An anonymous reporter reports that

two

new infections occurred during the night.

The sun rises once more, and the mayor begins the daily Zoom call. "I've received another report on the virus, and the details are more shocking than one would believe!" exclaims the mayor. "Indeed, it states that not one, but two (!) new infections occurred during the night!" Another person shouts, "If nothing is done, the entire town will be infected!" Eventually everyone calms down, but one thing is for sure: the town is teetering close to the brink of death.

Wait, there were two new infections last night.

[Hoctac]

Twice per game, mafia may kill any player that they choose.

@mod:

Can they do this during the day?

Answered via PM.
~Covid 19

[Hoctac]

Thing is, you've claimed infection immune vaccinator + anonymous reporter or whatever a while ago, and you're still not dead.

Scum used 1 kill on Mastina. Blair in theory died by visiting infected. So they should have 1 left.

[Hoctac]

Yeah, I figured that could be true. You claimed too many abilities.

So Flavor Leaf could easily have been infected last night if scum called his bluff. He could've been infected on any of the previous nights too and retained his abilities. Don't know why infected!him would admit the infection-immune thing was a lie, but might be because it'd look scummy if he didn't, because that's way too many abilities.

I don't know. I'm just worried this is like a finish line is in sight lynch on Cheeky, and scum have majority tomorrow. Might just be unnecessarily paranoid.

I PMed the mod and the kill can only be used at night btw.

[Hoctac]

Things are both better and worse than they seem.
On the worse side, infected must attempt to infect others. That possibility was confirmed the night there were two new infections.
On the better side, the reason I know this is that I was infected and now I’m recovered, therefore the possibility of recovery is confirmed.
It’s possible we may have only the one new infection and no previous ones. Not gonna bet that way but it’s not as gloomy as it could be.
We still must execute scum. Getting really tired of obvious town flips, and still annoyed at the bad town flips.
Assuming infected would flip as such, mafia are out of non infected kills.

Can you confirm this, posskop?

[Hoctac]

Total infected: 1+0+1+2+1 = 5
Total cured claims: Pisskop, Davesaz, Flavor
So there are 2 infects unaccounted for. If anyone else has been infected and cured, now is the time to claim it.

clidd all but claimed infected yesterday. Respect though.

[Hoctac]

VOTE: Cheeky

If y'all do a Gobbles wagon I'll join back.

We did a Gobsie wagon and you never joined back.

Huh

[Hoctac]

Called it. Gobsie is probably scum and Leafy is WIFOMing by voting him? Unless he's playing against wincon.

[Hoctac]

VOTE: gobsie

I miss Nahdia already, shes part of the reason I went after pisskop with my track

There's a chance this actually means he's infected over scum, because this slip is so bad, it could be intentional. But surely this has to be group scum based on how people were counterwagoning Cheeky so hard over him yesterday.

[Hoctac]

I finally got my hard bus my whole team, then win the game in 3p lylo victory I’ve wanted. I’ve done all there is to do.

What about the hard bussing each other and getting called a TvT and then winning in lylo?

[Hoctac]

@Hoctac - you were clearly town to me yesterday, by the way.

Look back at yesterday and look who’s reacting to me with the knowledge that I was infected, and literally had no clue about anything. I was just spouting random shit to see what stuckbecause I knew I could cure myself.

What did you think Cheeky/Gobsie were then? Were you still playing to scum wincon even though you knew you could cure yourself?

[Hoctac]

I miss ETL. She would've power solved this game by now. Did anyone have a look at her wagon? Maybe we should lynch mastina.

[Hoctac]

Leafy's probably infected. Gobsie's the group scum and the reason Cheeky was hard counterwagoned yesterday. I think Flavor's WIFOMing today.

Gobsie has been acting scummy from the start.

[Hoctac]

#quicklynchgobbles

Make it happen, people. Let's not get distracted again pls

[Hoctac]

Leafy's probably infected. Gobsie's the group scum and the reason Cheeky was hard counterwagoned yesterday. I think Flavor's WIFOMing today.

Gobsie has been acting scummy from the start.

I don't really care about your "probably's" at all actually. Usually you act sure of yourself in the kind of humorous way you post. You throwing in uncertainty makes me think you are Scum looking to end the game in short time.

If you look very closely, the only uncertainty in that post is in regards with Leafy. Gobsie is group scum. But just for you:

Leafy is 100% infected. Gobsie is definitely the group scum and the reason Cheeky was hard counterwagoned yesterday. I will eat my shoes if I'm wrong. Flavor is WIFOMing today and I've never been wrong about WIFOM.

Gobsie has been acting scummy from the start. There is no doubt in my mind.

[Hoctac]

Oh, wait, you were infected a few nights ago, weren't you lol

[Hoctac]

Creature's playing to his scum meta so I'd be down to lynch him too.

VOTE: Creature

[Hoctac]

I already claimed ages ago. I'm a wagon cop. I checked the Cheeky Teeky wagon last night, and it returned all infected/group scum. So I think we have good odds for lynching there, but I am open to other suggestions.

[Hoctac]

Maybe we should no-lynch. We don't have a lot of information and we should let our PRs do their jobs at night and get more info before we just randomly lynch someone.

[Hoctac]

What is the up

[Hoctac]

We could flashwagon no-lynch if people need a few more days to make a well informed decision?

[Hoctac]

Gobsie is a lot more likely groupscum than Ari. The way Ari came in on Day 1/2 after he was initially lurking and started firing shots at most the thread when he was being wagoned was pretty towny.

[Hoctac]

Whoops, that was an error. I thought Gobsie was infected after he self-voted. Ele/clidd's role just locked scum out, huh.

[Hoctac]

I thought he was groupscum on earlier days but then figured Leafy was infected/groupscum today and he was pushing Gobsie, so that didn't make any sense. Yeah, my bad. I should've figured some of your later comments to me were telling me you knew I was infected and to move to Ari.

[Hoctac]

I guess it was a little disorienting not knowing my allies. Leafy's self-cure claim sounded so fake and him gunning for Gobsie was what I decided to follow.

Would the game have continued if we had an Ari lynch?