SIR Disease Mafia - Game Over!

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VOTE: pisskop

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ig

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What if scum are jus Nahdia, gobbles, and Oka?

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tell me about the scum u flipped, Ari.

oh wait...

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I had 5g as a possible scum since he was lurking and doing nothing.

I was calling ETL town @ first and then she started

AtE

ing. I think I just hate

ate

in general.

It seemed like I was one of the very very few ppl that was actually defending Jake. I had doubts that a scum him would just sorta CC Voted and put that much heat on himself though I ultimately voted him b/c I felt he kinda had to go b/c if town he was a tainted slot and he wouldn't do anything as town.

What do u feel like u just accomplished? What was the point of talking about our play this game?

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scum recruits piss n1.

Nahdia tunneles piss/Saunde b/c they

KNOW

piss is a scum slot.

I should have pushed Piss harder yesterday but you know who else should have?



THAT GUY!

posts like

Ari, please just kill the cancer

just sound like scum that's trying to pressure Ari. I think this likely means that Ari/Gobble aren't a team but he was likely recruited last night.

also piss can prove his worth is an actual traitor to the scum cause by helping us scumhunt, if he's bad this game we simply don't waste a cure on him and let him rot

this sort of bargaining and reasoning that we shouldn't be voting a confirmed scum is just very slimy I think.

Cheeky!! Are we finally town together?

Can't really explain it but I don't like it.

Oh this is gonna be good if cheeky and Auro are both town

not for town it wouldn't be. If Cheeky is town and tunnels Auro then that means she's wasting her time and energy. Same if Auro is town. Who is this "good" for, b/c its certainly not town.

Also Gobbles "if I'm wrong" sounds like bus talk.

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I mean, it was in response to what I perceived as you calling me out. Was I wrong?

not really?

Like I guess, my post that was essentially "u haven't flipped any scum yet so y would I care/listen to ur town reads?!" was maybe rude/toxic

Can you explain your various town reads on them?

I started off with you as a strong town read, but slowly it has been dwindling over the past couple phases.

why?

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y?

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what do u think of my solve?

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i want to be someones sheep and no one is giving me a good shepherd to follow

thoughts on 6046?

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ok, if ur town then sheep me

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I kinda like Oka’s point on Flavor. I’ll sheep it for now.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I don't even think this is an original point from oka or maybe it was and he just said it earlier. But I know someone was light pushing FL for this earlier.

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just FTR, nahdia has been tunneling Saundade/Piss the whole game and I feel like anyone that's town here should at least consider a piss lynch today ESSPCIALLY when you've been tunneling that slot the entire game and all the sudden you don't really want to lynch it?

Also, I don't really remember nahdia scumreading tchill or voted.

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VOTE: nahdia

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VOTE: nahdia

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I kinda like Oka’s point on Flavor. I’ll sheep it for now.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I don't even think this is an original point from oka or maybe it was and he just said it earlier. But I know someone was light pushing FL for this earlier.

I missed it earlier but whoever said it I agree with.

my point being that I could see a scum Oka recycling an older argument in order to push someone. Does that make sense to u?

thoughts on 6046?

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Nero why aren't you scumreading me?

im scum reading everyone. I'm p sure that im the only town here. There's also only 3 scum (5 if u count the 2 infected.) I kinda already laid out my thoughts in VOTE: 6046. V stupid q.

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cain why do u think post 6046 is some master thesis.

*shrugz*

I just want feedback on it.

Also, I feel like no one is really doing anything so getting ppl to comment on my post is forcing ppl to do shit.

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I guess that's sassy enough for me to BoP you on Nahdia, Nero.

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Why should gobble have pushed piss harder?

there was a guilty on him. Its part of the town wincon to lynch infected.

Why is an Oka post in your gobble case?

My bad! I was unaware that I'm supposed to talk about 1 player at a time.

And re: FL, if it’s an older point does that make it less valid? Scum recycling old points isn’t a tactic I’m aware of.

Since ever? I usually refer to it as parroting though.

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VOTE: nahdia

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Were*

Nahdia soooooo nahdia...here wolf wolfy.

VOTE: cheekyteeky

There was

1 second

between these posts. CONSPIRACY??

there could be bussing/distancing going on.

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I was expecting your response here to be something like you got confused because they have similar avis but instead you defend a jarring shift in focus as intentional. Makes me think you care more about making Gobble look bad and you not getting called on bad arguments more than actually sorting the slots.

WHAT?!?

I am pushing all 3 of gobble, Nahdia, and Oka. I made a post that had more posts about Gobble than oka but it still contained my oka reasoning. Why is it scummy to talk about multiple people in the same post? And how does talking about my reasoning to suspect oka make gobble look bad?

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like the only way that gobbles looks bad is if oka flips scum, will he?

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alch's "ur making gobble look bad by including ur reasoning about oka!" is just like...such silly reasoning. Could this mean that gobbles is not scum and its oka/alch/nahdia?

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I think that entire post was supposed to be about Gobble

if u think this u clearly didn't read

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What if scum are jus Nahdia, gobbles, and Oka?

this is a separate post but it clearly outlines my thinking here.

Nahdia tunneles piss/Saunde b/c they KNOW piss is a scum slot.

In my second sentence, I'm talking about nahdia. I think this nicely disproves your "but ur post was supposed to be about gobble!"

My post was about all three.

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in fact, that's a q. If you felt my post was all about Gobble why are you bringing up that I talked about oka but not nahdia?

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this whole "u made a mistake but u aren't admitting it so u r scum! seems kinda agenda-driven, no? Nevermind the fact that im going to know what im posting better than alch.

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I just love how u r telling me what im posting about. No, my Nahdia line is there b/c that's part of the reason I think Nahdia is scum b/c scum recruited Piss and that's where Nahdia was tunneling for most of the game.

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Didn't u tunnel ur scumbuddy in some game we played in? Scum distancing/bussing is not an uncommon tactic and Nahdia tunneling an infected slot so they look better makes plenty of sense to me.

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Nevermind the fact that im going to know what im posting better than alch.

Apparently not.

I really do. If I had made a mistake and mixed up a gobble and oka post then I'd admit to it but I didn't so...

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The whole thing is Alch is saying that gobble will look bad b/c I added in a oka quote. Why does gobble look bad unless oka is scum?

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*notes Alchemist as possible Nahdia buddy in spy notebook*

Ok I have you as town anyway. Just making sure O_o...

?????

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I’m not though. I’m saying you wanted to make Gobble look bad with his posts, and the oka post is in there because you thought it was one of gobble’s posts.

but it's not. It's there b/c im scum reading oka 4 it.

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and again, gobble won't look bad unless oka is scum. That was the

ENTIRE

purpose of my post, to point out why I was scum reading those 3. Hence why it has Nahdia, gobble and Oka reasoning. It feels a bit slippish that you are saying that gobble will look bad b/c I included an oka post. This feels very agenda-driven and you are prob chainsaw defending a buddy or 2.

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what value that adds to the game

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I think he’s just town and this is typical tunnel Nero that was yelled at to oblivion by Fonz and Titus when he incorrectly scumread them and wouldn’t let it go

You're no better than me and prob even worse considering that you tried to help the scum team in doubles and you lymched not piss yeterday. You have no room to rag on my game. Titus is a poor player in general that pushed a ton of town and was only correct on like 1 or 2 scum reads b/c they voted her. Ditto Fonz

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Nero is shoving words into my mouth, not the other way around.

you're the one that's claiming that 6046 was all about gobble when it wasn't. How is that NOT putting words in my mouth or being a revisionist and putting a spin on my post?

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I'm not pushing you for recycling arguments though. And I never said that you defiantly were. I said I remembered someone talking about FL being demotivated or w/e and that being a reason why FL is doing shit all. And that you could be recycling an old argument but it was never an important point FMPOV. This whole

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i'd 1v1 flavor against u and alch

but nahdia is scum so...

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and even if 5g was scum there's still 2 original scum that can infect. I feel like the argument that we should lynch OG scum over infected should only really matter when it's about lynching the last scum over infected.

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Oka you're recycling mastina's paranoia about FL being burnt out scum early game.

^

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im going to agree with cheeky here that Nahdia seemed active and full of energy @ the start and has petered out.

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Nahdia, y should i be town reading u?

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cause im town.

you're giving me so little here.

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nat is low energy rn. idk why

it's kinda hard to tell the difference between low effort town and scum intentionally not doing anything.

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I have a very interesting position in that I was caught being red after I was green but I dont have to die?

you have to die since part of the town wincon is to lynch infected.

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I have a very interesting position in that I was caught being red after I was green but I dont have to die?

you have to die since part of the town wincon is to lynch infected.

Not today I dont

If you are infected and have to die then why do you give a shit about being alive?

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I mean, I guess its technically your new wincon to be alive b/c the more infected that are alive the closer mafia are to their wincon. Thats why we prob should have just lynched you yesterday.

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but were they R word or are they scum (oka, gobble) that were the scum that lead town astray?

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I.......

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I think Oka and Nero are jointly correct, for starters.

????????

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hey nero, why would you tell me that my wincon is to sit back and shut up?

you are confirmed scum and anytime someone is scum their job is to stay alive.

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no, Dave, you aren't.

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What if youre scum and slipped up by trying to crosstalk to me

Why would I ever do that?

but if I was scum I'd hard veto ever recruiting you.

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Saudade too

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If I were scum, Tchill or A50 would have been immediately infected.

Hot take: Tchill and A50 ARE infected, and FL is signaling to them.

but Piss has to be infected unless Blair's role also works on original scum (it might, it might not, I haven't asked yet) What if LQ is the new infected? His content is way down from what it was earlier this game (though admittingly that started b4 today. But I'm mostly concerned with his Ari tunnel. And he's really doing nothing else.

Like I can understand the want to lynch not Piss but then maybe not being flashy and doing the boring Piss thing is what we should do. IDK.

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Possible. Someone has crumbed being able to deal with Pisskop though so I’m not sure anymore.

yes, we should always believe everything everyone says. This is gullible as fuck.

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Believing that someone made a mistake and calling it out is not putting words in their mouth.

I don't think you believe that but as scum

YOU

can't admit to it so your only recourse is to double down. I made it very clear that I was scum reading Nahdia, Oka, and Gobble. You think that I made a case solely on Gobbles. If you think that then you should be asking why I didn't do a case on Nahdia and Oka but the reason you aren't asking that is b/c you know that 6046 wasn't dedicated to Gobbles only like you contend. But for the sake of the argument, lets say I made a mistake. What the fuck it the point of not admitting to it? We just got out of a scum game where I did make a mistake and apologized/backtracked. If I was scum here why do I change how I play scum?
I was also joining a growing nahdia wagon so chainsawing one of the leaders of that also makes some sense. The way you are fussing about a gobble post being included makes me feel like its an alch-oka-maybe nahdia team. I don't really like how oka has u as infected b/c he's going to use that as justification to not vote u.


You also haven't really answered one of my key questions.

WHY DOES AN OKA POST MAKE GOBBLES LOOK BAD?

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I think Oka and Nero are jointly correct, for starters.

i still dunno what this is

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oh yea, d4 and still no mango. I could lynch hoctac regardless of how cute his avatar is.

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So instead we lynch an infected and advance the scum wincon?

Does it really?

like I get the whole "its better to lynch the original scum than infected" argument but one of the town wincons is to lynch to infected so...

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So instead we lynch an infected and advance the scum wincon?

Does it really?

like I get the whole "its better to lynch the original scum than infected" argument but one of the town wincons is to lynch to infected so...

that said,

IF

scum don't know the original scum team, it feels like it might be possible that oka is just scum that's willing to sacrifice an infected Piss since Piss'll vote him.

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Nero you scumread A50. Choo choo?

yes, no, maybe

Like, I was kinda suspicious of him d1 for doing nothing but setup spec. And I don't really remember anything he's done thats been useful. He's just kinda..there. That's also how I feel about him in general. IDK why he claims 3p here, he wasn't even that likely to get lynched today so why does he put pressure on himself? At the same time though, town is kinda getting their asses kicked and he's willingly making it harder? That's very anti-town play so I can understand why you and others think he's scummy for this. I've also been of the mindset that useless low impact slots like TSE, A50 and FL were likely to be where scum would push.


Part of me says that he may be more likely to be infected but then the "he could be original scum thats just faking infected!".

I sorta feel like the most likely scum are going to be in alch, nahdia, and oka so between them and piss is where I'd like to lynch today.

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Sometimes I think players do dumb things for attention sometimes. Like Jake fake cced voted.

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I sorta feel like the most likely scum are going to be in alch, nahdia, and oka

@ the same time, I'm still a little skeptical that gobbles actually did track piss b/c Blair actually did kinda crumb she was going to visit Quick. And she was hard scum reading both gobble and Ari. Is that crazy?

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alch, oka, gobble?

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Wanna lynch in Creature, Saudade, Nero, 5G

this was all town. Well Saudade was on d1 b4 he was recruited so but I think the read is based off Saudade's d1 play.

gonna sheep one of my townreads for the sake of consolidation

scummy, absolving themselves of blame. (there will be a "BUT TOWN DO THAT TOO! argument and while it's true its mostly poor townplay that scum can easily abuse so they do. We can call it null if it makes u feel better.)

{mastina}
{Nero, 5G}
{Quick, Saudade}

other than Quick, all the scum reads are town.

this whole day has just become deciding between lynchbaits.

Nahdia has also stopped doing reads lists and feels very lurky.


critisims of my nahdia scum read are: town can have bad reads and Nahdia having bad reads doesn't nessiserilly make them scum. Scum are winning and nahdia is just demotivated town.

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a50, I think that if you are town getting upset over ppl suspecting you is just lame and immature.

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why have you stopped doing read lists, nahdia?

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so FTR, you think a50 is just trolling and it wasn't a scumclaim?

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town: nero

how did I get from you scum reading me (again) to being your top town read?

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@Cheeky: Can we make a deal? We lynch me today, and if I am neither scum nor infected you promise to play with me in every game I play as AP (so that I can find someone to use my mojo on without the worry they might get offended)

Deal.

in fairness, this is prob against the rules.

and being nitpicky, the use of if language

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YES! I am offended and outraged! How dare you use such a vulgar term!

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Spoiler:

and

if

I am neither scum nor infected

not that I really think its a slip or anything but yeah

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Piss is confirmed scum regardless so that's a lazy "read" from you.

Hoctac is a troll pretty null to me.

I was concerned about Ari early game b/c it felt like he was buddying me. Personally, him having a null read on me is laughable.

Both Hoctac and Ari could flip scum in theory but I'm not gung ho about either being scum.

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I don't get why people are scumreading PK but not Alchemist when the two seem linked.

how so?

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I was infected night 1.

Oh...so Alch just had it confirmed N3? Maybe you could elaborate on why you trust him?

Piss was presumably infected n1 and according to gobble, Blair targeted him and she died. Thus making him confirmed scum. I guess there's some rumor/wishful thinking/set up spec that there is someone out there that can cure infections. Alch was asking Piss id he had been cured.

Hostility =/= Scum

not 100% true. Scum ad hom is much rarer than it used to be but is still a thing. You could say its null b/c there are going to be alot of green pms that lose their shit over being suspected. It's kind of lame.

hey so why are we all talking a claim that pisskop was infected at face value?

If you don't think this then you have to think Gobble is lying. IMO there's some doubt that Blair targets Piss over like 3 or 4 other scum reads but meh...wether it was a light bus or gobble IS/was a town tracker still means that piss is scum.

It's a meme cult game

I just really hate anyone that has this sort of attitude towards a mafia game that they signed up 2 play.

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Lmao I don't wanna lynch Hoctac. He's hilarious and I need that this game.

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the thing with Nahdia is she could be demotivated town, its possible but the whole "I'm lost!" :I'll prob be wrong anyways" just seems easily fakeable and aligns perfectly with coasting scum.

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Lmao I don't wanna lynch Hoctac. He's hilarious and I need that this game.

between this and Auro town reading me for the first time in 2 games it really makes me want to lynch there.

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this game is hard b/c there's so much bad play this game.

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VOTE: pisscop

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VOTE: pisskop

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I mean, I think Piss could be faking infection but whether he's infected or not he still seems like a decent lynch to me.

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scum today is 4 + piss.

worst-case scenario is we ml today and then there's an infection tomorrow night putting us @ 9v6. We'd HAVE to lynch Piss the next day though. IG it would be an ok use of a lynch to lynch outside of him so we get rid of a sketchy player/ maybe not piss scum.

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So why not Nahdia? That "I'm so lost" seems fake as shit to me. Why not oka? that whole thing about him fussing that I wasn't quoting Mastina is such bullshit. Why not alch? Guy has done shit all and his fussing that me adding an oka post to my "gobble case", never mind the fact that my post wasn't about just gobble, to make gobble "look bad" means alch knows that oka is scum.

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So I guess the question for today is, do we want to lynch outside of piss and then auto piss lynch tomorrow (if we are wrong today) or do we want to do the boring/correct thing and lynch piss today?

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can u quote that?

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see, at least Dave gets it.

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Hoctac voting his competing wagon like that is super scummy. Reeks of self preservation

VOTE: Hoctac

maybe nahdia is just super horrible and its gobble, alch, oka?

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FMPOV Gobble just keeps making bad posts.

Hoctac voting his competing wagon like that is super scummy. Reeks of self preservation

VOTE: Hoctac

I mean....ok I can understand why it would look scummy to vote the competing wagon but that's also something that 99% of all town are going to do so....you could also just argue that gobble is hopping on a growing bandwagon for a flimsy reason.

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VOTE: Alchemist21

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Bad townies do that

I don't think I agree with that. I mean, if I were wagoned and it's me or X player you damn right I'm gonna vote the other guy and the majority of town are gonna react the same way.

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Saudade has replaced out of every game I've been in with him save for our last scum game he was in with me.

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u r confirmed scum. lol

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Right but there are literally other scum. my role still has 'town' in it

sure but scum are like 2 mislynches away from parity. We have the option to not lynch you today but I feel like not even considering your lynch is stupid.

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I haven't actually been shy when saying what my reads are. I know that you are trying to act like you are making some important point/trying to throw shade on me but all you have to do is read the game but the fact that you don't know my reads when I've been tunneling my scum reads for awhile now means that you are clearly not reading the game and thats why you need to be lynched.

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all you have to do is read

you know I dont do this

say hello to rope then.

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and that's beside the fact there's a guilty on u. lol

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you have nothing to do with my scumreads

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well, if you flip town it means you were either cured or gobbles was lying in the first place. So I might suspect Gobble more but it's not really going to change anything since my reads don't have anything to do with you.

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like I said, I understand why ppl want to lynch not infected over infected but it's not like we are going to end the infection b/c even if we did lynch a spreader there's still going to be 2 more spreaders. The fact the no one even wants to consider you as a lynch option tells me 2 things. 1.) this town is very bad 2. No one besides me has towns best interest @ heart

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like I still really hate this post

hey so why are we all talking a claim that pisskop was infected at face value?

nahdia has to believe that gobble is lying here but nahdia has never expressed this (i think) so it seems like active lurking/fake dumb tell

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someone said that scum can only infect if they don't use their not infected scum kill, therefore, scum couldn't have killed Mastina AND infected Blair at the same time, thus Blair died from hiding behind Piss/someone else.

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I am very ticked off that nahdia wasn't reading and keeping up.

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Blair could die by either being infected or visiting infected. My first instinct is that she was targeted with an infection and that killed her and then later someone said mafia can only infect if they don't use one of their two separate night kills thus mafia couldn't have killed Mastia AND infected Blair.

Also, Piss is hard claiming infected so...

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someone said that scum can only infect if they don't use their not infected scum kill, therefore, scum couldn't have killed Mastina AND infected Blair at the same time, thus Blair died from hiding behind Piss/someone else.

Where does it say this? I understand that they can infect and kill...

I think it was a gobble post

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scum die by visiting infected?

also, he said he asked the mod and the mod clarified that.

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That Nahdia rage is pretty legit town tbh.

sorta agree. I don't think its totally impossible that she was scum that got tired of getting tunneled on. Though I mean she clearly wasn't reading and paying attention so like...its just frustrating people do shit like that.

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help me lynch Alch, cheeky.

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Blair was essentially a weak hider and used her role as an investigation. She crumbed targeting Quick. And was hard scum reading Ari and Gobble and maybe someone else.

But Gobble claimed she targeted Piss so that means he's scum.

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I have faith that most people here are reasonably intelligent

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me thinks FL is way to upset over a prod

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Meh, now that Nahdia isn't in the slot I'm open to revisiting it.

Sorry clidd!

?????

why does Nahdia no longer being in the slot change things?

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VOTE: pisskop

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Jesus, 280 pages. I don't know if I can process so much content in a short amount of time.

but you knew how long this game was....this post is kinda funky, I think.

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that you knew how long this was but you are complaining about it. I'd be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that didn't know what the deadline was and you are more stating a fact that you can't read 260 pages in 2 days then complaining but yeah...

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Because I've decided to play badly this game I guess

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I miss Nahdia already, shes part of the reason I went after pisskop with my track

Did you track piss?

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not that its gonna happen but I want my vote to rest on scum before I have to switch over to Hotac.

VOTE: gobbledygook

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not that its gonna happen but I want my vote to rest on scum before I have to switch over to Hotac.

VOTE: gobbledygook

Curious why you feel you have to switch to Hoctac over A50 when you've called that entire wagon suspect.

Did I? I'm not all that hot on either a50 or hotac wagon but if I have to pick between 1 of them Hotac, IG.

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I mean, piss is scum so why are you even surprised?

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Why is A50 the lead choice

prob b/c he has 200 posts and no one knows whats he's done this game besides lecture us on mechanics.

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TSE is never town, he might be a green pm but not town. I agree with Cheeky that Vecna was wildly scummy...I noted earlier that TSE was playing a little differently. I'm not sure if that's AI or more of a post-ban change in playstyle. We should be lynching Piss or, Alch or Gobble but this town is hopeless.

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I have 200 posts

So your an a50 alt and breaking site rules?

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I don't really know about FL. There's a small part of me that thinks his doing nothing and complaining about lack of motivation or some such could just be scum giving excuses for doing nothing but eh...

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I have 200 posts

oh nm, i get it. u r saying that u also have 200 worthless posts,

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As a guy that pushed TSE twice ( in 2 previous games) only to get OMGUSed and tunneled, I think this behavior is NAI for him. That's not to say that he can't be scum but that argument doesn't move me.

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Piss is deff still scum. It

IS

amazingly annoying that TSE is going on about Piss being scum when Piss was gulitied

AND

hard claimed scum. And TSE is acting like its some amazing play he made. A TSE is bussing Piss would be a better argument than "TSE is being his same anti-town OMGUSy self!"

[Nero Cain]

but he's very vocal and energetic especially when he's confident in his reads

I'm still seeing that same confidence. In or games he'barely engage and he'd just kinda randomly come in and yell about his scum reads. He seems similar enough to me. I mean, I'd

LOVE

to have been right on Vecna d1 (and a bit disappointed that I wasn't all over TSE) but I'm just meh....

now gobble and piss and Dave and cheeky. Good chunk of scum there.

[Nero Cain]

come @ me new zealand

[Nero Cain]

you've never town read me before...its odd

[Nero Cain]

Oka/Alch are both unreadable to me.

I "suspect" there to be 2 scums on me

but you just found the scum on you.

[Nero Cain]

I'd still like to lynch between Ari and Piss,

no one is lynching Piss b/c he's actually scum and it is hard as fuck to lynch scum on this site...even with a guilty.

[Nero Cain]

town pisskop doesn't work with ppl

[Nero Cain]

Curious why you feel you have to switch to Hoctac over A50 when you've called that entire wagon suspect.

this is very suspect especially if hoctac is scum also she's lying/misremembering about me calling the players voting Hoctac suspect. True, I don't like Gobble much but I've also said that is was pretty meh about lynching either a50 or hoctac.

[Nero Cain]

we know that your team is winning, piss. no need to rub it in.

[Nero Cain]

I've changed my mind. FL is scum.

I have 200 posts

I think this post is wildly scummy. This is how scum reacts to a fraudulent case when they are guilty for the same reasons.

[Nero Cain]

Notice how Piss isn't whining and crying about how I "always scum read" him. He's not doing that b/c he knows I'm not wrong.

[Nero Cain]

yes I know, that's why you need death.

[Nero Cain]

If I'm here pre lylo I'm going to spam the shizz out of the thread... apathetic town are the ones to blame for bringing the firestorm.

like this is a pretty shitty stance like I understand that scum are very likely to win but to give up like that just yuck...

[Nero Cain]

and you shouldn't because that goes against your wincon, which is why I think you are OG Scum.

even if Piss was infected lynching him is still part of our wincon and it's taking away a vote from scum and reduces their numbers. I asked and OG scum doesn't count as infected so, if Blair did target Piss he has to be infected. IMM, ts also possible that someone like Ari was targeted and Gobble fake claimed a guilty on his buddy.

[Nero Cain]

I'll be spamming content

ok but that's not really what you said but spamming content it ok. Don't be spamming spam though.

[Nero Cain]

IMM, ts also possible that someone like Ari was targeted and Gobble fake claimed a guilty on his buddy.

in this scenario, scum would be like Gobble, Piss, FL/alch with Ari and FL/Alch

[Nero Cain]

What made me go from your third highest town read to your top scum read?

[Nero Cain]

cheeky is hard bussing Alch

[Nero Cain]

uh huh...sure

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: pisskop

Quick, to me!

[Nero Cain]

I'm always paranoid. You just keep mentioning that alch is scum while also lite poking me, the only other guy (except maybe Dave) that also thinks alch is scum. so it just seems weird to me.

[Nero Cain]

naw, if PK wasn't curred last night (and he wasn't) he's not gonna be cured tonight.

[Nero Cain]

See, this is why you and Dave slightly trigger me. I don't really understand the mindset of not lynching hard claimed scum.

besides, we gotta lynch gobble tomorrow.

[Nero Cain]

In a game modeled on diseases, things may or may not be instant.

outguess the mod is never a good way to play, I think.

[Nero Cain]

50 is infected town at best, town at worst.

Id rather not do him.


hoc is hellatown.

see, he's arguing that he should be the days lynch

[Nero Cain]

u been lynched!

[Nero Cain]

i feel like cheeky has moved her vote too much to be scum. a50, your thoughts?

considering that I've caught her as scum for exactly this reason tells me that you are wrong.

[Nero Cain]

like I'm not saying that she HAS to be scum but Cheeky moving her vote around is null at best.

[Nero Cain]

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=79966

we even had the same "cheeky is moving her vote around to much to be scum!" discussion.

[Nero Cain]

nero, cheeky, pisskop, nahdia slot (now RCE).

one of the players on this list is caught hard claimed scum.....

[Nero Cain]

pisskop is "infected" which isn't really scum from my understanding of the game. Its more like cultist-esque or something.

it is but scum is anything that's not town. (I just triggered a buncha peeps that think a survivor that can win with town is still town)

Also joining a cult is dumb.

[Nero Cain]

playing scum is ez. All you have to do is pretend to be an idiot and that's not to far away from norm for most.

[Nero Cain]

Who are you gonna vote, Auro, hoctac or a50?

[Nero Cain]

if you do some of that u r getting lynched.

[Nero Cain]

you do know that last time you called me town then started calling me scum you were scum, right?

[Nero Cain]

how so?

[Nero Cain]

I'm not really worried b/c the only time cheeky has ever town read me she was scum.

[Nero Cain]

she prob has a vendetta against me. lmfao

[Nero Cain]

Lmao so Nero pretends to be dumb and then flexes how it's ez to play scum by pretending to be dumb?

I don't think that accurately describes my scum game, it's just my commentary on how I feel most ppl do play as scum and also "play" as a green pm so they can pass the "this is null!" check. I think cheeky just saw it and thought it was my saying that I played "dumb" as scum and thought that would be a decent accusation to make.

[Nero Cain]

I'm running out of active people to accuse.

the real reason u r "scum reading" me

[Nero Cain]

how so?

Mainly your moonlogic tunnel on Nahdia.

cite specific examples of me being "dumb". I tunnel all the fucking time why is this a scum tunnel and not a town tunnel? Also you were scum reading Nahdia before her replace out so if you a scum read on nahdia is scum indicative aren't you scum 2?

[Nero Cain]

It looks like scum who didn’t want to fumble on an existing fakeclaim so they took it back and claimed VT so they wouldn’t be backed into a corner of having to explain Night Actions.

this is what scum grasping at straws looks like. It is currently 8 v 7. If we ml today or even if we didn't lynch and mafia used their last kill to kill an uninfected they'll reach parity and win. What "night actions" does he need to would he ever need to explain b/c there won't be a tomorrow unless we lynch correctly today.

[Nero Cain]

9. CheekyTeeky
10. Alchemist21
11. clidd
12. Flavor Leaf
13. gobbledygook
18. OkaPoka
21. pisskop

all these slots are scummy as fuck.

[Nero Cain]

Which means there’s a Nero Cain/Alchemist connection.

this is push town (Nero) bus buddy (Alch)

FL knows that I just called Alch out on his shit and he knows that he's going to flip scum. He's calling us scum together b/c he needs to try to claim that I was bussing.

[Nero Cain]

Why in the world would scum, that's about to win, retract his fakeclaim? thats like just begging for a lynch.


VOTE: Alchemist21

[Nero Cain]

gobbles is still scum too

[Nero Cain]

Nero it's not "grasping at straws" to scumread that claim change.

I mean, its "normal" I guess but if you think about it....it just makes very little sense. That's something that can easily be abused by scum and i think that's what he's doing here.

[Nero Cain]

Why in the world would scum, that's about to win, retract his fakeclaim? thats like just begging for a lynch.


VOTE: Alchemist21

Because there’s always an inevitable massclaim. Everyone knows that.

he claimed what? infection proof? How is that not a claim that scum can just coast on?

[Nero Cain]

I see no one else really wanting to vote for Piss and I really don't know why...

town is a trainwreck. We just shoulda let Gobble bus the day he outted his result.

[Nero Cain]

Who wouldn’t expect a part 2 to that claim?

Why would he need to add a second part to that claim? Nothing you are saying is making any sense.

[Nero Cain]

Rat, Nero, Pisskop is my solve right now. I’m probably not 100%.

For sure take Pisskop out.

this is alch, fl, gobbles

piss
auro
????
???

are infected

[Nero Cain]

FL also claimed uninfectable. If Rat was scum I feel like he could have easily coasted on that claim and thus it makes like 0 sense that scum him would retract that.

[Nero Cain]

ok but that doesn't mean that he had to claim a second part

[Nero Cain]

gobbles

Wow still? And you say

I

don’t make sense.

Why does gobble make no sense as scum?

[Nero Cain]

He only claimed b/c he was getting ran up, I mean yeah he'll say he was hinting etc. If you are original scum it makes PLENTY of sense to light bus an infected over yourself. Also he never really tried hard to get piss lynched.

[Nero Cain]

not that I think vca is super accurate but

EspeciallyTheLies

:

EspeciallyTheLies , Nero Cain

, Hoctac , Quick , OkaPoka , TrueSoulEnergy ,

clidd

, Auro , Flavor Leaf,

mastina, 5G Tower

Jake the Wolfie

: OkaPoka , Auro , TrueSoulEnergy ,

5G Tower

,

mastina , Almost50

,

clidd

,

Blair , Jake the Wolfie , Nero Cain

, Flavor Leaf

5G Tower

:

Almost50

, gobbledygook, Flavor Leaf , OkaPoka , Auro , Alchemist21 ,

pisskop

, davesaz , Aristophanes

Almost50

: Firebringer , Hoctac , OkaPoka , clidd , Alchemist21 ,

pisskop

, CheekyTeeky , gobbledygook , Auro

both oka and auro have been on every mislynch. I'd be rather surprised if the d1 lynch was infector free. Personally I think oka, auro and fl are the scummiest ones there while I lean maybe FL as the scummist.

[Nero Cain]

we should be lynching in piss/clidd/alch/fl today

[Nero Cain]

I was also reading Nero as Town for the longest time. But some stuff is weird.

What stuff?

[Nero Cain]

maybe FL as the scummist.

He claimed the role that tells us how many new infections happen. Are you seriously pushing that as a scum role?

What if it's not a "role" and it's just the mods way of doing that mechanic?

[Nero Cain]

You're marking clidd as green d1/d2 because of the reported infected result?

yea. Piss was the n1 infection, and n2 we had no new cases right? so he was infected n3 or n4. thats why he's NOT green on the d4 wagon.

[Nero Cain]

I am having a hard time remembering. Part of me thinks you are buddying me.

you're the last person I'd ever be buddies with.

[Nero Cain]

Give me a convincing reason to want to kill infected?

b/c its lylo?

[Nero Cain]

Personally I’m betting on 6 scum because I like to bet on the green square on the roulette wheel.

your math doesn't hold up. 3 OG scum + Piss + n3 infection + 2 new infections on n4=7

This is a misinformation campaign.

[Nero Cain]

LQ why do you have oka as town? Being on all the mislynches notwithstanding, I think he's scummy as fuck for sorta OMGUSing me. Like when he brought up the whole "FL is scummy because he's so burnt out on being scum!" and I said "hey it's not like its an original argument." instead of going "oh your right", he basically said I was lying "because you didn't quote it." Does that seem like a town reaction to you?

maybe that does point to FL town and scum is just alch, gobble, oka

Auro why are you against a massclaim?

[Nero Cain]

what did you deliver?

[Nero Cain]

can you clarify something for me? you tracked blair n2 right?

[Nero Cain]

almost

[Nero Cain]

since last night

[Nero Cain]

since last night

And you didn’t say anything about A50 when I pushed Radical Rat? Yeah you’re scum.

ummm what?

I called you out on voting him and I wasn't voting him. Why do you expect to be spoon-fed?