Large Normal 228: Bananas - Game Over

[Black Ranger]

What do you mean by "vanitying" Nahdia?

I was the only vote on Nahdia and nobody was interested in discussing it. Fwog might have been willing to go there but was MIA.

[Black Ranger]

I feel like there's too much tolerance for underperformance in this game. The lynch is a destination. How we get there is more important than lynching scum. Investment is how we'll color slots versus rolling some weighted dice.

I don't want to hold people to some great standard of "must case everything that you make impact with" or "must have a strong opinion" but you should be able to find some way to help the town. If that's your wincon at least.

Do you think my Nahdia case has the capabilities of being implemented today?

Why she questioned cakez' townread on her is the biggest reason why I scumread her, that and why she was so willing to lynch Manatee when Manatee wasn't a good lynch.

Town point for Fenraiser: brought up how people would allow a TvT to happen between bob and osuka. I think a scumflip on Nahdia says a lot for the alignment of these two.

I feel like I got something out of bob vs osuka until bob crapped on Manatee about his cakez read. Nahdia didn't color the slots and moved on. I'm just as guilty for encouraging votes on osuka, so it's not that town COULDN'T do it, but Nahdia legitimately didn't care about getting anything out of it besides finding a reason to vote you, which admittedly I did as well, because it was a good reason, but she didn't move on when 190, 239, 254 dropped, and she should have.

[Fenraiser]

I don't want this lynch but I would still do it, if the alternative is you, manatee or no lynch, what would do you, drew?

You also included Manatee in the "alternative" between all the posibilities and you directly referred to Drew who was the leading wagon on the VC. Could I get some insight at why you asked Drew this?

(Aside: Also Umlaut that hurt. UwU my heart is broken and I will continue to UwU out of spite)

[Black Ranger]

I don't want this lynch but I would still do it, if the alternative is you, manatee or no lynch, what would do you, drew?

You also included Manatee in the "alternative" between all the posibilities and you directly referred to Drew who was the leading wagon on the VC. Could I get some insight at why you asked Drew this?

(Aside: Also Umlaut that hurt. UwU my heart is broken and I will continue to UwU out of spite)

Yes how about you look at the Drew post in 771 instead of viewing my ISO looking for something you can nip at you vampire.

[Nahdia]

I feel like there's too much tolerance for underperformance in this game. The lynch is a destination. How we get there is more important than lynching scum. Investment is how we'll color slots versus rolling some weighted dice.

I don't want to hold people to some great standard of "must case everything that you make impact with" or "must have a strong opinion" but you should be able to find some way to help the town. If that's your wincon at least.

Do you think my Nahdia case has the capabilities of being implemented today?

Why she questioned cakez' townread on her is the biggest reason why I scumread her, that and why she was so willing to lynch Manatee when Manatee wasn't a good lynch.

fuck off with this nonsense. speaking as someone who just got thoroughly trounced in a large as scum for doing a bad job buddying townies, i 100% had good reason to be skeptical of a townread on me at that point.

and ive explained my reasoning on manatee. i wasnt able to explain the meta component of it d1 because the game was still ongoing, but i have since clarified.

[Fenraiser]

I don't want this lynch but I would still do it, if the alternative is you, manatee or no lynch, what would do you, drew?

You also included Manatee in the "alternative" between all the posibilities and you directly referred to Drew who was the leading wagon on the VC. Could I get some insight at why you asked Drew this?

(Aside: Also Umlaut that hurt. UwU my heart is broken and I will continue to UwU out of spite)

Yes how about you look at the Drew post in 771 instead of viewing my ISO looking for something you can nip at you vampire.

I stand corrected.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Aside: I'm going to consider a "lynch all uwuers" policy for my next game

UwU

[Black Ranger]

If Norwegian is scum to you, does this make Umlaut town?

-snip-
Not necessarily. I haven't seen any interactions between them that preclude SvS.

How do you feel about Umlaut challenging Norwegian's push on you in 283 and 291 with the push back from Norwegian in 372, 373?

[Black Ranger]

fuck off with this nonsense. speaking as someone who just got thoroughly trounced in a large as scum for doing a bad job buddying townies, i 100% had good reason to be skeptical of a townread on me at that point.

and ive explained my reasoning on manatee. i wasnt able to explain the meta component of it d1 because the game was still ongoing, but i have since clarified.

Manatee's response is good enough for me:

Nahdia those contexts are completely different though... one was someone asking me about my read and I gave a tentative read while admitting that bias might play a part in it.

Cakez said because hes town people pushing him automatically makes him suspicious of their slot

There's better reasons to suspect Manatee than this but if I'm the one making a case for you all it really proves is that you don't give a shit about your pocket reads.

Or how about this pocket read:

I'll admit to a little OMGUS but knowing I'm town the desire to do a lynch on me early reads very scummily

scumposting

... Which is the same reason Manatee suspected Cakez over

Cakez's random "bad post" pop ins have been one ping for me. I also pointed out him miscontruing norwees words in an attempt to omgus. he also literally said that bc he knows hes town that he automatically reads the push on him as scummy.. as if thats reasonable at all.

voting cakez based on his miscontruition and reaction to being voted.

I feel so detached from the game like you guys are all players and im just a spectator im not sure of anything anymore. I could reread cakez again if yall could actually be convinced but idk

if I get lynched at this point its understandable im just sorry you had to waste a lynch on me, thought it seems everyone is having difficulty deciding a target so the likelyhood of hitting scum seems low

However you didn't vote Cakez try to do anything with him until today. Yesterday you were absorbed with terrible votes like Fwog and Manatee.

And what's with this obsession with OMGUS? See my point about humor and you giving a tell that you "got it" but still want to challenge me over it, when you already have a history for salivating over these types of posts.

Again, this is all just sideline sniping. You haven't had a worthwhile original idea in 700~ posts. Why anyone is tolerating your slot is beyond me.

[Fenraiser]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Nahdia

[SirCakez]

Not gonna buy any "no scum on Drew wagon" stuff

again my point isn't that i think there definitely wasn't any scum on drew's wagon. my point is that i think it's scummy to use "someone bussed drew" as a foundational assumption when there's a distinct possibility it was all town. feels like a logical leap shortcut to look like your reads are justified.

I mean there are multiple people who look suspicious and put crappy votes down on the Drew wagon so I kinda do find it a leap to call that wagon all town

If Norwegian is scum to you, does this make Umlaut town?

-snip-
Not necessarily. I haven't seen any interactions between them that preclude SvS.

How do you feel about Umlaut challenging Norwegian's push on you in 283 and 291 with the push back from Norwegian in 372, 373?

Nothing in particular? Am I supposed to be feeling something from it? It doesn't look particularly townie or scummy on Umlaut's end. I've already talked about why I disliked that particular push from Norwegian.


I actually do kinda like Fen's argument for BR, and his reaction with the "if you're town fuck off" was bad.

[gobbledygook]

CantLynchAPuppy has requested replacement. Searching now.

[Nahdia]

fuck off with this nonsense. speaking as someone who just got thoroughly trounced in a large as scum for doing a bad job buddying townies, i 100% had good reason to be skeptical of a townread on me at that point.

and ive explained my reasoning on manatee. i wasnt able to explain the meta component of it d1 because the game was still ongoing, but i have since clarified.

Manatee's response is good enough for me:

Nahdia those contexts are completely different though... one was someone asking me about my read and I gave a tentative read while admitting that bias might play a part in it.

Cakez said because hes town people pushing him automatically makes him suspicious of their slot

There's better reasons to suspect Manatee than this but if I'm the one making a case for you all it really proves is that you don't give a shit about your pocket reads.

Or how about this pocket read:

I'll admit to a little OMGUS but knowing I'm town the desire to do a lynch on me early reads very scummily

scumposting

... Which is the same reason Manatee suspected Cakez over

Cakez's random "bad post" pop ins have been one ping for me. I also pointed out him miscontruing norwees words in an attempt to omgus. he also literally said that bc he knows hes town that he automatically reads the push on him as scummy.. as if thats reasonable at all.

voting cakez based on his miscontruition and reaction to being voted.

I feel so detached from the game like you guys are all players and im just a spectator im not sure of anything anymore. I could reread cakez again if yall could actually be convinced but idk

if I get lynched at this point its understandable im just sorry you had to waste a lynch on me, thought it seems everyone is having difficulty deciding a target so the likelyhood of hitting scum seems low

However you didn't vote Cakez try to do anything with him until today. Yesterday you were absorbed with terrible votes like Fwog and Manatee.

And what's with this obsession with OMGUS? See my point about humor and you giving a tell that you "got it" but still want to challenge me over it, when you already have a history for salivating over these types of posts.

Again, this is all just sideline sniping. You haven't had a worthwhile original idea in 700~ posts. Why anyone is tolerating your slot is beyond me.

this is all a wall of mudslinging nonsense. i explain my manatee vote, you say there are fine reasons to vote for it. then you call it terrible. you've also said in the past that my reasonings on fwog d1 were fine, but now it's also a terrible vote. and you'll notice that my opinion on cakez was shifting over time. I was uneasy on him for reasons I've explained 242 and later but by 630 had seen some stuff i thought indicated he could be town. but his entrance to today as umlaut pointed out was bad, and his reads are surface enough that it's hard to read him on those.

i HAVE had original ideas. ideas you've called terrible! you call my progression on cakez, fwog, manatee, etc all terrible, but now all of a sudden i have no original ideas? what's THAT from? you're just throwing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks.

[Nahdia]

Not gonna buy any "no scum on Drew wagon" stuff

again my point isn't that i think there definitely wasn't any scum on drew's wagon. my point is that i think it's scummy to use "someone bussed drew" as a foundational assumption when there's a distinct possibility it was all town. feels like a logical leap shortcut to look like your reads are justified.

I mean there are multiple people who look suspicious and put crappy votes down on the Drew wagon so I kinda do find it a leap to call that wagon all town.

christ. im not going to say the same thing again in different reads. please reread me and see that you're not responding to what i actually said.

[Umlaut]

VOTE: Wake88

Can we just lynch this?

I'm assuming the lack of response is a no?

[Nahdia]

i mean, it's hard to get excited about a lurkeer lynch. is there stuff he said that you thought was actually scummy?

[Umlaut]

is there stuff he said

No

[Nahdia]

im not inclined to vote for him given that most of what he has posted today has been a slow progress on Black Ranger from town to scum, which is very cash money imo.

[Umlaut]

That's actually a good point. It only means anything if he actually votes him though.

VOTE: Black Ranger

[fwogcarf]

Aside: I'm going to consider a "lynch all uwuers" policy for my next game

UwU

OwO

[fwogcarf]

Will have other opinions later, little busy rn

[gobbledygook]

LuckyLuciano has advised me he is able to retake his slot (CantLynchAPuppy) since this isn’t explicitly allowed by the ruleset or the global site rules (nor is it explicitly not allowed) I am putting it to the players to say if they are comfortable with that replacement happening.

Please PM me privately. If you are not comfortable that is ok. It will only take one person to prohibit him retaking the slot. I have a potential replacement on deck in the event Luciano backs out or one of you doesn’t feel comfortable with it.

Deadline will be extended by 48 hours. You all have 48 hours to let me know your preference.

[ManateeDude]

Not gonna buy any "no scum on Drew wagon" stuff

bad take that isnt explained or executed properly

[ManateeDude]

Umalut any particular reason you're voting so wildly

[fwogcarf]

VOTE: Wake88

Can we just lynch this?

I'm assuming the lack of response is a no?

Do you think a Wake/Ranger team exists?