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VC 2.4

Fenraiser (1) - Titus
NorwegianboyEE (1) - SirCakez
ManateeDude
Black Ranger (2) - Nahdia, Umlaut
Wake88
fwogcarf
Umlaut
Titus
CantLynchAPuppy
SirCakez (2) - NorwegianBoyEE, ManateeDude
Nahdia (2) - Black Ranger, Fenraiser

Not Voting

(3) - Wake88, fwogcarf, CantLynchAPuppy

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to remove someone from the town.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-06-22 08:00:00)[/color]

[Black Ranger]

i HAVE had original ideas. ideas you've called terrible!

Let's go over it then.

cakez

Ctrl+ced Manatee's push

fwog

Your push from 700-800 posts ago.

manatee

Ctrl+ced bob's push.

VOTE: Wake88

Can we just lynch this?

I'm assuming the lack of response is a no?

It's already been said in thread so I imagine the same conversation is happening in the scum PT. He has high SK equity for three reasons:

1) Lurking
2) His "PR post" from day 1 hints bulletproof
3) His unwillingness to discuss the SK at the start of day was random and unprompted

If this is 3:1:10 getting rid of the SK has high utility for us because it increases the chances that Titus goes to late game.

[Black Ranger]

Scratch that last comment. Titus isn't going to make it long and lynching the SK will ensure it happens sooner.

Titus: let's setup spec. My certainty in no scum role >neep comes from a) the belief that an sk would be bulletproof in this setup and a strongman would be unfair b) osuka amd bob's roles hint mafia doc. c) last mafiaso being a goon by default with this assumption.

[Black Ranger]

{Manatee, Ranger, Umlaut, Cakez} - Nullreads

Gun to head if you had to pick a side for each of these slots where would they land?

Not much has changed except for Fen

I do find it annoying that he "cleared" Umlaut and myself then used his clear on Umlaut to push me for "setting him up" when he's the one that voted Umlaut yesterday. It's like why I can't fault Nahdia for pressuring osuka who started shitting town yesterday or for not reading the TvT because I personally knew town could do that.

I'm not sure that this makes him scum even if a better position to take would have been to dare Umlaut to lynch Drew (like Umlaut said earlier today). If my post somehow compelled him to stay on Drew out of disgust or survivalism, good, but a not!Manatee/Drew vote at this point seemed irresponsible because my impression was at this point that Manatee was the likelier lynch.

I also dislike how Fen continues to use Drew's eod position on Manatee to develop a read on that slot.


Fen: what is your read on me and what is your read on Nahdia?

[Nahdia]

show me the similarities between reads and manatees/bobs and any evidence i was just using the same reasoning they had already given. go on, i'll wait.

[Black Ranger]

Nothing in particular? Am I supposed to be feeling something from it? It doesn't look particularly townie or scummy on Umlaut's end. I've already talked about why I disliked that particular push from Norwegian.

Umlaut was pushing Norwegian to develop a better read on you, see "tone policing vs game solving" and when Norwegian admitted there was nobody interesting in the game outside of you Umlaut critiqued him on a lack of town mindset to which Norwegian snapped back at him over.

I feel good about people trying to improve other players reads but most importantly I think Umlaut and Norwegian would be one of the least likely teams here especially with the last set of posts.

[Black Ranger]

You're right. You didn't copy Manatee. If anything he picked up on the same post you did, but you still faulted him for it. 1058

As for Bob v Manatee

And manatee what makes you think your posts are better than cakes?

Do you still feel liek cake is exaggerating what nord said considering he has clarified his stance on nord. With his stance being a slight scum read and not strong one.

What is your opinion on your own posts?

Your saying cake has been makign bad posts how are you any better. Nearly all your posts have been fluff with no real attempt to scum hunt. And reads you give seem to ahve no depth with you changign them when convenient

VOTE: mantte

i will lynch manatee. 536 is bad (the second point about the omgus). it's not an illogical point, but i dont buy that manatee is a paragon of logic that believes anything not perfectly rational is scummy.

Here's the post we're talking about:

Cakez's random "bad post" pop ins have been one ping for me. I also pointed out him miscontruing norwees words in an attempt to omgus. he also literally said that bc he knows hes town that he automatically reads the push on him as scummy.. as if thats reasonable at all.

but Cakez NEVER mentioned Manatee by name in between the time Manatee voted him or dropped reasons for why he would like to vote park Cakez. How is it OMGUS when all Cakez did was say that he disliked the wagon composition that was building on him?

[Black Ranger]

Yes/no OMGUS is more personal than "this entire wagon sucks".

[Nahdia]

.....that sounds like a question you should direct towards manatee, not me.

[Nahdia]

i had a unique reason for scumreading manatee, which ive explained a few times now, and you've even responded to. whether or not Cakez was in fact OMGUSing feels irrelevant, considering im talking about manatee's interpretation, not Cakez' post.

but to answer your quesiton, i sometimes overgeneralize the term OMGUS, but strictly speaking I think the term literally means "scumreaidng someone because theyre scumreading you".

[Black Ranger]

sure I can ask him about how Cakez v Norwegian is OMGUS, but you've been more chiefly concerned with Manatee re: the wagon comment due to your "meta" tell. This is all one sentence, so what am I supposed to think here when you drop this beyond that you consider it all to be OMGUS?

[fwogcarf]

{Manatee, Ranger, Umlaut, Cakez} - Nullreads

Gun to head if you had to pick a side for each of these slots where would they land?

Not much has changed except for Fen

I do find it annoying that he "cleared" Umlaut and myself then used his clear on Umlaut to push me for "setting him up" when he's the one that voted Umlaut yesterday. It's like why I can't fault Nahdia for pressuring osuka who started shitting town yesterday or for not reading the TvT because I personally knew town could do that.

I'm not sure that this makes him scum even if a better position to take would have been to dare Umlaut to lynch Drew (like Umlaut said earlier today). If my post somehow compelled him to stay on Drew out of disgust or survivalism, good, but a not!Manatee/Drew vote at this point seemed irresponsible because my impression was at this point that Manatee was the likelier lynch.

I also dislike how Fen continues to use Drew's eod position on Manatee to develop a read on that slot.


Fen: what is your read on me and what is your read on Nahdia?

I'd say everyone is town except Umlaut

Let's start a wagon on him then if there isn't already

VOTE: Fenraiser

[SirCakez]

Which oned cakez

norwe really
"other wagons" as in multiple was misleading on my part

Nothing in particular? Am I supposed to be feeling something from it? It doesn't look particularly townie or scummy on Umlaut's end. I've already talked about why I disliked that particular push from Norwegian.

Umlaut was pushing Norwegian to develop a better read on you, see "tone policing vs game solving" and when Norwegian admitted there was nobody interesting in the game outside of you Umlaut critiqued him on a lack of town mindset to which Norwegian snapped back at him over.

I feel good about people trying to improve other players reads but most importantly I think Umlaut and Norwegian would be one of the least likely teams here especially with the last set of posts.

mmk I just think it's Norwe anyways

[Fenraiser]

@BR
My scumread on you came from going through your ISO and mixing Drew and Manatee up in regards to "this lynch" which conflicted with your earlier reads list and you brainstorming a Drew/Umlaut team. In my eyes, Drew was never the endgame for you, thus you were scum. The interaction where you asked Drew about the lynch options felt a bit SvS to me (even after considering my initial take) so I'm wary. You explaining the context of your posts kind of killed my strong scumread of you. Your posts about Nahdia reminded me about my earlier push on them during D1 that I dropped due to Umlaut's take that I agreed with (that Nahdia was trying to find a way to get in the game) and I wanted more pressure on her today. Kinda also liked her responses too though.

Currently rereading the game because I'm not really getting anywhere atm.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If this is 3:1:10 getting rid of the SK has high utility for us because it increases the chances that Titus goes to late game.

I guess that's a good point.
Is Wake your only SK read?

[SirCakez]

why has this game died so hard?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because we haven’t had a lynch in forever and that’s boring. Is my guess.
How about we just vote here, i fail to see how this slot is going to be readable if this keeps up.
VOTE: Wake88

[Umlaut]

It's been three days since we had a VC and I have no idea where the wagons are, so I put this together.

Totally unofficial and unreliable vote count

Fenraiser (2) - Titus, fwogcarf
NorwegianboyEE (1) - SirCakez
ManateeDude (0)
Black Ranger (2) - Nahdia, Umlaut
Wake88 (1) - NorwegianboyEE
fwogcarf (0)
Umlaut (0)
Titus (0)
CantLynchAPuppy (0)
SirCakez (1) - ManateeDude
Nahdia (2) - Black Ranger, Fenraiser

Not Voting (2) - Wake88, CantLynchAPuppy

Answer: The wagons are nowhere. No one has more than two votes. We're all over the place.

[fwogcarf]

I think most everyone's WIM has been drained, Especially mine, there's drama all over the place that I'm trying to cope with.

Wake lynch is fine but I want to see how he reacts to votes

[SirCakez]

Willing to go back on Wake

[Umlaut]

VOTE: Wake

Norwegian, me, fwog, Cakez, that's four.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This wagon on Wake id giving me flashbacks to when we quicklynched Drew. That gives me good feelings about this.

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