Mafia of Revelations ~ Game Over!

[Auro]

Once upon a time that might have been townish, but people learned to fake insufferable long ago, and are particularly likely to at the beginning.

I think that evaluating a single meme (joke) post as "insufferable" is unfair and inaccurate, even for a player who may have never seen such a thing. I also do not see how you can identify that CLAP's posts are natural whereas MT's aren't to arrive at those conclusions that quickly.

VOTE: Llamarble


Green Crayons, can you put into words why that post from Untrod Tripod was scummy?

[Llamarble]

Why does being unfair and inaccurate make me scum?
MT treats achieving cuteness as a mission.
CLAP is more random.

[Auro]

Willful inaccuracy and unfairness are, in a way, a necessity for scum who have to craft reasoning to push players they know are town for.

You said you would do a meta check to assess if my current style of play was a commonality across games: have you?
Do you plan to do the same for Morning Tweet, to see if she follows the pursuit of cuteness in other games?

I don't think either of these meta assessments would take more than a few minutes, and considering that the results could probably shift the trajectory of your game solve pretty hard, why not do them yet?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I feel like he's forcing himself into the alliance.

Forcing...? I came up with the whole idea!

[farside22]

VOTE: kmd

[Kmd4390]

Ok I'm rushing this post before my phone dies but

Vote ABR

I feel like he's forcing himself into the alliance. I also don't like farside and Starbuck pushing the "I'm cute" thing. Auto seems to be trying too hard to play up being new but I'm not sure there's really an advantage to it because it's not the VI card. And Porkens' is likely town for the role PM thing. Hoopla also looks town.

How is ABR forcing into an alliance? He was the first player to suggest an alliance here.
Where do you see Auro trying to play up being new?

Oh I missed that post. I thought hoopla had suggested it .

Auro's second line of the game was claiming to be a representative of young blood on the site.

Unvote, Vote Starbuck

[Llamarble]

I'm at work. I'll do meta when it becomes worth the time.
I have little doubt the cuteness emphasizers tend to do it in other games.
That's why it bothers me that MT is going about their cuteness as if it's a mission, whereas the CLAP cuteness is more 'this is just how this player carries themself.'

Willful inaccuracy and unfairness are, in a way, a necessity for scum who have to craft reasoning to push players they know are town for.

Sort of. It's also quite common for town to be inaccurate and unfair, and scum like to be safe and make arguments they know will hold up.
Regardless, I find it difficult to believe you actually find me scummy at this point.

[Llamarble]

I feel like he's forcing himself into the alliance.

Forcing...? I came up with the whole idea!

It's not that town wouldn't say this, but it's definitely exactly what scum would say. Vindicating statements of fact are scum's favorite.

[Auro]

@llamarble: Indeed it's common, but also a pretty reliable metric to sort people off of. There's only so much legitimacy you can provide to arguments as scum.

Why is that difficult to believe? You don't seem to have a problem that I find it unfair/inaccurate: so is it the conclusion that it is hence scummy that is the problem? Or do you think that that should have been negated by other things in my mind?

[Llamarble]

The latter. I think at this point I'm a pretty simple pattern-match for town, maybe the easiest short of Porkens who will hopefully eat the first nightkill and give me a second day.
Farside is pretty town too.

[Auro]

If you're aware that your posting is an easily readable pattern-match, then what prevents you from faking the same pattern as scum? Unless you are incapable of faking said pattern, which would then make it valid: is that so?

Sure, I don't deny that what you're doing is pro-town. I am denying that it is alignment indicative.

[Starbuck]

Do you have any specific terms in mind? I can't recall any which are too recent.
Also, mafia specific, right?

No, I know abbreviations (I'm actually listed in the official MS one on the Wiki). I'm talking like game specific terms like I know sheeping and pocketing, but wolfing/open wolfing is kinda new to me. I know there's another new term or two that I've seen that I'm not sure of.

I also don't like farside and Starbuck pushing the "I'm cute" thing.

My one post about it is pushing? That's a stretch and a weird one at that. In any case, I was just stating a fact.

Spoiler: Because I am

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1R8IKkh8hC ... _copy_link

[Llamarble]

I can be mildly pro-town as scum until the boredom sets in, but the towniness doesn't flow through me in quite the same way.
I die N1 a lot because I struggle to replicate my town play as scum, exercise a lot of control over lynches, and have a good record of accuracy.
If I was wrong D1 I'm likely enough to be right on D2 that they still kill me even if burden of proficiency would make people suspect me for failure to hit D1.

[farside22]

Ok I'm rushing this post before my phone dies but

Vote ABR

I feel like he's forcing himself into the alliance. I also don't like farside and Starbuck pushing the "I'm cute" thing. Auto seems to be trying too hard to play up being new but I'm not sure there's really an advantage to it because it's not the VI card. And Porkens' is likely town for the role PM thing. Hoopla also looks town.

How is ABR forcing into an alliance? He was the first player to suggest an alliance here.
Where do you see Auro trying to play up being new?

Oh I missed that post. I thought hoopla had suggested it .

Auro's second line of the game was claiming to be a representative of young blood on the site.

Unvote, Vote Starbuck

I'm pretty sure that was a tongue in cheek comment in regards to how old many of the players in the game are. I didn't take it as a newb comment. Why would you think he could get away from doing that when a players date is available to see?

I feel like he's forcing himself into the alliance.

Forcing...? I came up with the whole idea!

It's not that town wouldn't say this, but it's definitely exactly what scum would say. Vindicating statements of fact are scum's favorite.

[iamausername]

Fun Fact! iamusername was scum in my ver first newbie game! I claimed VT in my first post and lost with the rest of the town!

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=8737

hmm, he was scum in my first game too. that's a suspicious pattern.

FoS: iamausername

[Auro]

I can be mildly pro-town as scum until the boredom sets in, but the towniness doesn't flow through me in quite the same way.
I die N1 a lot because I struggle to replicate my town play as scum, exercise a lot of control over lynches, and have a good record of accuracy.
If I was wrong D1 I'm likely enough to be right on D2 that they still kill me even if burden of proficiency would make people suspect me for failure to hit D1.

That's interesting; from what I've heard of your rep you seemed to be a capable all-round player.
Seems like I've gotten my share of meta homework as well!

[Llamarble]

I guess to follow up on the difference between my town and scum styles, when I'm town mafia is an addiction; I find it difficult to stop reading and I feel a need to solve the puzzle and win.
That's why I've been posting a lot even though I got up at 6am to try and finish some work; it's difficult for me to stay away even when I should.
This is also the reason I play mafia less often than I used to.
When I'm scum it's the complete opposite and I have to force myself to post.

[Auro]

I guess to follow up on the difference between my town and scum styles, when I'm town mafia is an addiction; I find it difficult to stop reading and I feel a need to solve the puzzle and win.

I can 100% relate to this. I do muster up effort to post regularly as scum but it doesn't quite match up with how active I can get as scum. While manipulating people is fun, it feels more like a duty than when town where it's a puzzle.

[Auro]

how active I can get as town*

AHhemm

[Porkens]

Willful inaccuracy and unfairness are, in a way, a necessity for scum who have to craft reasoning to push players they know are town for.

You said you would do a meta check to assess if my current style of play was a commonality across games: have you?
Do you plan to do the same for Morning Tweet, to see if she follows the pursuit of cuteness in other games?

I don't think either of these meta assessments would take more than a few minutes, and considering that the results could probably shift the trajectory of your game solve pretty hard, why not do them yet?

The best scum find perfectly logical reasons to lynch town.

[Auro]

The best scum find perfectly logical reasons to lynch town.

Indeed they can cleverly craft seemingly legitimate and logical reasons, but the conclusions are still inaccurate. there's bigger subtleties when this happens, for example their ignoring certain parts that, as town, they wouldn't, etc.

[Llamarble]

A vindicating statement of fact is both safe and makes them look more town.
So mafia is always going to make that post. Town are going to say something like that too, but it's more likely to branch and have other pieces too than the scum version.

[Green Crayons]

Green Crayons, can you put into words why that post from Untrod Tripod was scummy?

Sure:

vote porkens

[Starbuck]

The best scum find perfectly logical reasons to lynch town.

+1

[Green Crayons]

I'm at work. I'll do meta when it becomes worth the time.
I have little doubt the cuteness emphasizers tend to do it in other games.
That's why it bothers me that MT is going about their cuteness as if it's a mission, whereas the CLAP cuteness is more 'this is just how this player carries themself.'

I think this is an interesting theory. I'm not really sure how far it goes. You think they're trying to be cute so people won't suspect them?