Open 782: Triad Conspiracy (Finish!)

[Tommy Two Times]

Drew, I still don't get why you found that post of mine scummy and how it was the turning point of your paranoia. If I'm scum, my aim there is to convince you to self-vote and sell you on Auro/Morning scum. Not tell you NOT to self-vote if you're town, and instead voice my suspicion of you and potentially alienate you.

Explain why that 1 (one) post changed your mind.

[Tommy Two Times]

but it does show me that if you're town you've not been doing a good job.

I've been doing a great job, because I correctly caught you and Isis

Why aren't you trying to convince me to self--vote or sell me on your case if you think it's them?

[Doctor Drew]

On phone, will explain later when on computer Tommy.

I will say, my last post was formatted a bit weirdly lol.

[Doctor Drew]

But I will state......again.......that wasn't the turning point. I had been feeling less and less paranoid and that post was the moment that made me feel good that I wasn't in the scum hood.

[superbowl9]

I saw it so weird how you get in an argument with superbowl

Lol there was no 40 page argument

[superbowl9]

I saw it so weird how you get in an argument with superbowl, asking pointless questions and now all of a sudden you are town reading each other out of the blue.

that was probably at least supposed to be a gambit, I think - we still haven't gotten an accurate picture of what really went on in their hood, right?

Apparently it was a gambit, I thought we were just trolling the whole time

If there's anything else you want to know about what's happened in our hood, please ask! But like I said we haven't conversed that much in there, it's mostly just us throwing ideas about reads/gamestate off each other

[superbowl9]

Drew you are quite slippery with very direct questions (which is ironic as you seemed annoyed when Isis did exactly that to you )

I asked you quite simply:

when and why did your paranoia go from self-hammering to a 100% townread on your hood.

If you believe that there was no one specific moment - that's okay. You can't tell me the time frame - start/end/key moments? You still have not answered the why part of this question. You just keep saying I'm misrepping or don't worry about the timing. This should not be a hard question to answer if this paranoia was the defining feature of your play Day 1.

Also, you ignored my 231. Still heartbroken ToT

[Doctor Drew]

I have never seen you as scum(correct me if I am wrong about that tbf).

Your post just seem a bit different, like more aggressive, then I have seen from you before.

It is a gut thing, me and Turkey go way back.

[superbowl9]

No i meant your pt pals

[Doctor Drew]

No i meant your pt pals

Oh misread that, I initially scum read them because they seemed to just immediately trust one another and I didn't fully get what there plan was in regards to their 'gambit'. As I thought about it, and I had threatened multiple times early on to self hammer to which Auro was perfectly ok with, and backed off wanting to self hammer because it still was a bit early and I couldn't see scum being perfectly fine with me doing it(I even said at least once that I was prepared to do it right then). Had a little back and forth with Auro(some paranoia was still there, but started to think my issues I was having with him were posting style. I was coming around on them as town so I wanted to focus more on the other hoods, and specifically the player I have the most experience with, Turkey. I mentioned how he seemed off and wanted to put some pressure on him to give me a better read one way or another, Morning even agreed to help. Felt pretty good about Turkey as town(and already felt pretty good as Adorable as town as well)..........then Turkey self hammers.

So then with me feeling mainly good with my hood as all town, D2 starts. Now, I had another game just end that angered the hell out of me(specifically one player), I even posted in the hood how I was ready to crack skulls in this game, that's when my little interaction with Tommy happened. I had said that no one was coercing me to not self vote, Auro especially was fine with it, but Tommy's response wsas like he didn't even read what I said and tried to act like I was being manipulated by my hood mates. I didn't see any town motivation there, and coupled with my trusting of my hood mates even more I posted in the hood that my paranoia of them was all but gone. This has been solidified by Isis saying I am doing scummy things but not actually explaining, even when directly asked, what said scummy things are.

I guess I could have elaborated earlier lol.

[Isis]

Your progression from 119 to having two hard townreads and two hard scumreads has never been particularly plausible

[Morning Tweet]

I've always wanted to be in a 3v3 before. Disappointed there hasn't been any AtE or threats to replace out though. Pick up the pace,, people.

What a weird basis for a 3v3! I've threatened my partners with lots of tears in the event they're deceiving me, does that qualify as AtE?

[Morning Tweet]

No i meant your pt pals

Oh misread that, I initially scum read them because they seemed to just immediately trust one another and I didn't fully get what there plan was in regards to their 'gambit'. As I thought about it, and I had threatened multiple times early on to self hammer to which Auro was perfectly ok with, and backed off wanting to self hammer because it still was a bit early and I couldn't see scum being perfectly fine with me doing it(I even said at least once that I was prepared to do it right then). Had a little back and forth with Auro(some paranoia was still there, but started to think my issues I was having with him were posting style. I was coming around on them as town so I wanted to focus more on the other hoods, and specifically the player I have the most experience with, Turkey. I mentioned how he seemed off and wanted to put some pressure on him to give me a better read one way or another, Morning even agreed to help. Felt pretty good about Turkey as town(and already felt pretty good as Adorable as town as well)..........then Turkey self hammers.

So then with me feeling mainly good with my hood as all town, D2 starts. Now, I had another game just end that angered the hell out of me(specifically one player), I even posted in the hood how I was ready to crack skulls in this game, that's when my little interaction with Tommy happened. I had said that no one was coercing me to not self vote, Auro especially was fine with it, but Tommy's response wsas like he didn't even read what I said and tried to act like I was being manipulated by my hood mates. I didn't see any town motivation there, and coupled with my trusting of my hood mates even more I posted in the hood that my paranoia of them was all but gone. This has been solidified by Isis saying I am doing scummy things but not actually explaining, even when directly asked, what said scummy things are.

I guess I could have elaborated earlier lol.

I thought Drew's early paranoia of us was irrational. Auro and I were 100% solid on us being the first death, and Drew did not pretend like he was ever trusting of us. Auro and I stopped bothering trying to convince Drew we were town. If Drew is town, it makes sense that he can't really expect us two to be scum at this point. We called that it was Isis' hood really early and even through further evaluation of gobbles' hood that still stood. All that was missing was Drew self voting

I swear i would've self voted had we gotten near the end of the deadline and Drew was suddenly like "Nah I trust you guys now". AND EVEN THEN it makes sense that town!Drew would trust us after threatening to kill us for so long. But I still would've self voted because I felt pretty sure we were gonna win after forcing Isis' hood to stump

[Doctor Drew]

Your progression from 119 to having two hard townreads and two hard scumreads has never been particularly plausible

I was scum reading just about everyone not named Drew at that point, you act you have never seen me play a game of mafia. Drew's brain works in mysterious ways, you should know that.

Also, you definitely have impeccable timing to come prove my point about you.

[Auro]

Note that that's not all - if we were scum we'd have lower chances of winning if we got Isis hood to self vote, as Isis has been scumreading me pretty hard. We'd have to fake some progression on Gob hood too at some point. Voting Isis hood while calling Gob obvtown seems like a weird self-cornering.

In this sense it's also useful to go back and check if Isis hood ever really townread Gobbles'

[Isis]

I was never townreading gobblehood, but I hope gobblehood appreciates how the theatrical nature of your "townread" on that hood should detract from it, all the way into the negatives.

[Isis]

mysterious

you should know that

l.o.l

[Isis]

for those keeping score, when I am 0/2 reading someone and they say this, that should ring alarm bells

[Doctor Drew]

for those keeping score, when I am 0/2 reading someone and they say this, that should ring alarm bells

This is the weirdest stretch of a meta tell I have ever seen.

[Tommy Two Times]

but Tommy's response wsas like he didn't even read what I said and tried to act like I was being manipulated by my hood mates.

Again, I don't get this. How was I trying to act like you were being manipulated? I said the reverse, I thought it was

unlikely

Auro+Morning+Auro were scum gambiting.

[Tommy Two Times]

I've always wanted to be in a 3v3 before. Disappointed there hasn't been any AtE or threats to replace out though. Pick up the pace,, people.

What a weird basis for a 3v3v3v3! I've threatened my partners with lots of tears in the event they're deceiving me, does that qualify as AtE?

Depends, what kind of emoticons have you pulled out?

[Morning Tweet]

[What a weird basis for a 3v3v3v3! I've threatened my partners with lots of tears in the event they're deceiving me, does that qualify as AtE?

Depends, what kind of emoticons have you pulled out?

they're all nervous in nature so far. (⋟﹏⋞) and (人>ω<) are some highlights

but i am not afraid to throw out some crying ones if I have to!

[Auro]

@Gob hood: guys start voting, pls.

[superbowl9]

No i meant your pt pals

Oh misread that, I initially scum read them because they seemed to just immediately trust one another and I didn't fully get what there plan was in regards to their 'gambit'. As I thought about it, and I had threatened multiple times early on to self hammer to which Auro was perfectly ok with, and backed off wanting to self hammer because it still was a bit early and I couldn't see scum being perfectly fine with me doing it(I even said at least once that I was prepared to do it right then). Had a little back and forth with Auro(some paranoia was still there, but started to think my issues I was having with him were posting style. I was coming around on them as town so I wanted to focus more on the other hoods, and specifically the player I have the most experience with, Turkey. I mentioned how he seemed off and wanted to put some pressure on him to give me a better read one way or another, Morning even agreed to help. Felt pretty good about Turkey as town(and already felt pretty good as Adorable as town as well)..........then Turkey self hammers.

So then with me feeling mainly good with my hood as all town, D2 starts. Now, I had another game just end that angered the hell out of me(specifically one player), I even posted in the hood how I was ready to crack skulls in this game, that's when my little interaction with Tommy happened. I had said that no one was coercing me to not self vote, Auro especially was fine with it, but Tommy's response wsas like he didn't even read what I said and tried to act like I was being manipulated by my hood mates. I didn't see any town motivation there, and coupled with my trusting of my hood mates even more I posted in the hood that my paranoia of them was all but gone. This has been solidified by Isis saying I am doing scummy things but not actually explaining, even when directly asked, what said scummy things are.

I guess I could have elaborated earlier lol.

TY! This is starting to make sense to me now. FMPOV though, I am quite paranoid of yall trusting each other this much as well. I think you would understand that - what is the % chance that you think your hood is scum?

[Doctor Drew]

@Gob hood: guys start voting, pls.

Ya, I think everyone has said there piece and things are starting to get stale. Let's jazz up this place with some excitement!