Open 784 - Hard-Boiled (Town Wins!)

[Midari Ikishima]

@Mod V/LA Till Tues

[votato]

an opportunity arises - we have 3 days to lynch Votato before he returns from V/LA. assuming piss shows up beforehand.

i wont go down that easy, cowboy.

[votato]

an opportunity arises - we have 3 days to lynch Votato before he returns from V/LA. assuming piss shows up beforehand.

Sure why not. For the humor.

oh not sure how i feel about this post though. it says "humor" but it sounds kinda "serious"

[Marashu]

Big bad catch-up post:

Mind running this one by me? Feels like you're trying to stay neutral and keep even distribution, but I don't see to what end.

Marashu, if you remembered this coming up in Newbie 2002, why did you need me to explain it again?

It's more that you were showing that you were keeping the votes evenly distributed by moving your vote. I was more interested at the time in why you were moving your vote around in the first place, and you addressed that in your reply. I asked your preference in 61 exactly because I remembered Lucky doing that.

Because I am unsure of other's reputation, but Drew's is to be scum read. So the current state is an abnormality, I am trying to identify why. Is the abnormality in their play, or in how other's treat them? Is that abnormality nefarious?

I think I see. You're basically saying that, if Drew hasn't changed, then it could be that mafia is not only not framing him but is actively pushing him as town? From the fact that you are townreading Drew, does this mean you think that they are trying to pocket him?

Nothing strong so far, which doesn't feel great. I think I'm getting townie pings from Votato, Drew, Deimos and Midari. Those are the only things strong enough to mention.

Could you explain the townping on Midari?

This was your wagon at its peak (correct me if I'm wrong), so I'll pose this question to the group is scum on this wagon. I think that's likely. If so, who and how many? My gut says just one, between Marshu and Word. That or the wagon looked to carry it's self well enough, and scum wanted to avoid it.

I think it's very likely that scum was on the Midari wagon and that scum is on the Pi wagon. Unless the scumteam is completely in {piisirattional,votato,brassherald,Worcestershire} scum was on at least one of those wagons.
Looking at the Pi wagon, I'm not liking the way cj and BM joined the wagon.

Wors, Mara (Not sold on), Pii, superbowl9, I want to hear more from votato as well.

Why am I on your radar? Are you looking for reasons to suspect me?

Are you aware that I am quoting pi in that post? It has nothing to do with you, votato.

This is something town!votato does.

What's the scum motivation to my actions?

I don't know, but at the same time, and more importantly to me, I don't know what the town motivation is, either.

I like this answer.

All well and good. Would you mind addressing it, then?

I see you haven't played with votato before

If you have, this makes me suspicious.

[Battle Mage]

it was definitely "bad"

[Battle Mage]

having read it, i dont know why you're subtly shading me, or what you're subtly shading me about.

explain your problem with my vote for piss
then
explain why the fact i've played with votato before is AI here

otherwise, you'll be NEXT.

[Marashu]

having read it, i dont know why you're subtly shading me, or what you're subtly shading me about.

explain your problem with my vote for piss
then
explain why the fact i've played with votato before is AI here

otherwise, you'll be NEXT.

My problem with your vote on pi is that you would have basically seen his entire ISO minus his RVS vote in your catch-up between 179 and 223. Without addressing any of pi's recent posts, it felt like you were hopping on the wagon to help it build momentum. Pi is null for me, so that conviction of pi's alignment paired with a seeming lack of critical thought about pi is what made me suspect.

My problem with you playing with votato before is more in relation to you wanting to flashlynch votato. He tends to be lynchbait, from what I've seen. Trying to push him while V/LA when you know how he plays seems suspect.

[Battle Mage]

having read it, i dont know why you're subtly shading me, or what you're subtly shading me about.

explain your problem with my vote for piss
then
explain why the fact i've played with votato before is AI here

otherwise, you'll be NEXT.

My problem with your vote on pi is that you would have basically seen his entire ISO minus his RVS vote in your catch-up between 179 and 223. Without addressing any of pi's recent posts, it felt like you were hopping on the wagon to help it build momentum. Pi is null for me, so that conviction of pi's alignment paired with a seeming lack of critical thought about pi is what made me suspect.

My problem with you playing with votato before is more in relation to you wanting to flashlynch votato. He tends to be lynchbait, from what I've seen. Trying to push him while V/LA when you know how he plays seems suspect.

Doesn't seem like you've thought the votato stuff through! I could buy that you might think that scum-BM would see votato as an easy mislynch, and want to pursue that.
But do you really think that my strategy for doing that would be to openly suggest

wagonning him while he is V/LA

, without giving any reasons, or even voting him myself? It's completely implausible that BM-scum actually thinks he can achieve a mislynch with that approach. Additionally, if you're suggesting I think votato's lynchbait, why would I need to wait until he's V/LA? Surely the opposite is true. Moreover, I don't even agree with your characterisation of him, so that's your opinion, not mine.

[Battle Mage]

having read it, i dont know why you're subtly shading me, or what you're subtly shading me about.

explain your problem with my vote for piss
then
explain why the fact i've played with votato before is AI here

otherwise, you'll be NEXT.

My problem with your vote on pi is that you would have basically seen his

entire

ISO minus his RVS vote in your catch-up between 179 and 223. Without addressing any of pi's recent posts, it felt like you were hopping on the wagon to help it build momentum. Pi is null for me, so that conviction of pi's alignment paired with a seeming lack of critical thought about pi is what made me suspect.

My problem with you playing with votato before is more in relation to you wanting to flashlynch votato. He tends to be lynchbait, from what I've seen. Trying to push him while V/LA when you know how he plays seems suspect.

On pi, I may not fully understand your point here. He has only posted like 4 times? It's not a difficult ISO to read. I'm not sure why hopping on a wagon to help it build momentum is necessarily scummy. I'm not clear why you preferred to assume I don't have any critical thought about Pi to substantiate my vote, and rather than ask me why I voted for him, simply start shading me over it.

Are you afraid of engaging in direct dialogue with me?

If Pi is null for you, you obviously haven't graduated from the BM-school of scumhunting.

[Battle Mage]

I am surprised nobody is shading me for voting no lynch...

You mean besides this?

VOTE: Battle Mage

I just remembered this was you. Not even sure what the point of this post was? complete fluff

[Battle Mage]

Marashu's ISO is horrible. Lots of examples of going out of his way to be helpful, without scumhunting. I remember when I was a newbie, I had a similar approach as scum - it bolsters the post count and makes it seem like you're contributing actively when you aren't having to really commit to anything. And a real lack of self-awareness in his remarks to Midari in post 328, accusing Midari of "looking for reasons to suspect me" when his whole post strikes a similar tone.

@Mod - Battle Mage is no longer voting No Lynch

Mod Note

Thanks

@votato you should put your vote somewhere.

Also I just noticed that Worcestershire hasn't posted yet.

Good job Worcestershire. You gottem.

Says the person who opened with the exact same post...

"Townbloc" in which sense ?

I see you signed up right before this game - do you have any prior mafia experience?

either way, I still dnt buy completely deimos attitude. I feel the particular questions he has made r too generic in nature, too general, and easily replicable as scum to feign an investigation of sorts (im talkin about things like 48, 168 and 173 as the most generic, others can be replicable). Im also not convinced of the actual intent behind the even distribution of votes; do u have any game when u have openly upheld such an opinion?
VOTE: Deimos
ninjaed by the above

Regarding the distribution of votes, it was discussed briefly in Newbie 2002.

Wait, why are you responding, Marashu?

I was in that game and remembered it coming up.

What do you mean in "our" experience?

We're talking about the Treestump game we played where a townie self voted on like page 2.

By "we" and "our" are you referring to yourself and votato?

VOTE: Marshu

Let's see if the gambler's fallacy holds this time.

Half the game is 90% mental.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Marashu

definitely scum

[Deimos27]

deimos, are you enjoying this game so far? give details

I was quite unsatisfied with the lack of engagement from other players. I'm glad to see that there's at least about two pages of content since yesterday.

I'm having marginally less fun playing mafia in general in the last few days, mainly because I'm the kind of person who obsesses about one thing at a time at the expense of all other commitments and right now I'm studying contemporary metaethics.

If you are hoping to glean AI content from this post I'm sorry to disappoint you because I can tell that the reason you're asking me this is because I mentioned last game that I don't like playing scum. And I can confirm for you that I am enjoying this game more than I would be as scum, that's for sure.

[Deimos27]

Big bad catch-up post:

This is word for word what I said during D1 of Newbie 2002 after my V/LA and it's slightly disturbing.
.

[Deimos27]

BM def town btw

[Deimos27]

Or at least, his push on Marashu here makes me feel a lot better about that read. Because I've been getting tonal gutpings from Marashu since the start and we clearly have resonance about that.

[Deimos27]

I think it's very likely that scum was on the Midari wagon and that scum is on the Pi wagon. Unless the scumteam is completely in {piisirattional,votato,brassherald,Worcestershire} scum was on at least one of those wagons.
Looking at the Pi wagon, I'm not liking the way cj and BM joined the wagon.

How do you reach the conclusion that scum was on both Midari

and

on Pi?

[Deimos27]

Is Pi due for a prod soon?

[Deimos27]

I need to read through the early part of the cultd3 game, maybe my judgment is clouded because I was scum that game but your posts here lack that Deimos charm I remember.

I want to extend my sincerest gratitude to you Drew for describing me as charming, because I believe that makes you the first person in my entire life, excluding my current girlfriend, to express that opinion.

Was it the unsuccessful memeing? The rubbish sense of humour?

[Deimos27]

VOTE: Marashu
I'm down to explore this one, pending Pi's return.

[Battle Mage]

Or at least, his push on Marashu here makes me feel a lot better about that read. Because I've been getting tonal gutpings from Marashu since the start and we clearly have resonance about that.

we are like brothers, you and I.

[word321]

pi was a good votedump, and not rly an optimal wagon; i do think mara is better on that regard

[word321]

but im worried about something else: why does tuxedo has so few attention comparatively, when he has been suspected at largers periods of time from way more ppl?

[word321]

in fact, why havent yall considered a transition to tuxedo instead of mara?
as far as im aware, it was on ur nominal scum read, deimos; id like to hear ur current opinion on the matter

[word321]

him never getting a srious wagon is kind of weird tbh, when the alternative was pi at the time