Open 784 - Hard-Boiled (Town Wins!)

[Deimos27]

Ok I'ma re-evaluate this Midari situation

[Deimos27]

Or I would if this damned forum would cooperate and actually load pages today

[JacksonVirgo]

VC 1.12

Marashu (3)

- Deimos27, superbowl9, Worcestershire

Battle Mage (1)

- Tuxedo Mask

Nash (1)

- ceejayvinoya

Tuxedo Mask (1)

- Marashu

PenguinPower (4)

- Doctor Drew, votato, word321, Battle Mage

Wocestershire (1)

- PenguinPower

votato (1)

- Nash

Not Voting (1)

- Looker

With 7 votes as hammer... PenguinPower is at L-3.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-07-07 09:00:00)

Mod Notes:

Joined Mod iso

Doctor Drew V/LA until Friday

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

What do I need to know because I'm not reading 25 pages worth of stuff?

[PenguinPower]

UNVOTE:

[Marashu]

UNVOTE: - I think I've come around on Tuxedo

I haven't explicitly said it yet, but I'm also on board with The Plan. I'm also on board with town!word for proposing it, and town!BM for the revision (it displays healthy caution about word's plan while still recognizing that it's a good plan for town)

Unless I'm missing something here, I thought it would be obvious that Tracker is the better town choice, so I don't like that Midari didn't find that obvious, and it looks like her entire objection was about how not-obvious she thought it was.

@PP - Hider will be hiding behind the person above them on the player list. Your slot was against this plan.

[PenguinPower]

What was the rationale for that?

[Marashu]

What was the rationale for that?

for the plan? pseudo-investigative, and also to keep the Hider's identity hidden. If the hider suddenly dies, we'd know who they were targeting without outing who they were. If they suddenly die in a later night, then that will confirm the players from previous days without needing to come out and say they are clear.

for the objection? This plan has a false positive if the Hider visits the Vigilante, but this is resolved if we have a Tracker instead of a Vigilante. Midari seemed convinced that we would have a vigilante, or at least didn't think it obvious that we should have a Tracker.

[Deimos27]

Sorry for not playing the game, I tried in the morning but something was up with either the servers or my internet. I'll be back later this evening.

[PenguinPower]

What was the rationale for that?

for the plan? pseudo-investigative, and also to keep the Hider's identity hidden. If the hider suddenly dies, we'd know who they were targeting without outing who they were. If they suddenly die in a later night, then that will confirm the players from previous days without needing to come out and say they are clear.

for the objection? This plan has a false positive if the Hider visits the Vigilante, but this is resolved if we have a Tracker instead of a Vigilante. Midari seemed convinced that we would have a vigilante, or at least didn't think it obvious that we should have a Tracker.

Probably a good plan then. Hope that Tracker/Vig agrees.

[Tuxedo Mask]

I think I've come around on Tuxedo

Why?

[Marashu]

Exasperation with BM regarding brass felt genuine, and because I think I get what you were going for with looking at people reading Drew earlier.

[Tuxedo Mask]

So I don't know how to engage with this game, because apparently everything I've said recently isn't even worth addressing from most players. People wanna give me the rundown of Midari and Marashu and why I should choose one over the other?

I swear, this was a coincidence. But feel freee to talk. Give ur take on the game. Who looks suspicious or overly opportunistic?

I got not much at the moment. I think the Midari case looks good, I guess I just feel weird that game keeps coming back 'round to that. I don't know if that's just because they're obvscum, or real scum really wants to push their mislynch. I'm going to check if there are any reoccurring presences on their wagon.

[votato]

i dunno, i kinda think the midari slot is town at this point?

[Tuxedo Mask]

Spoiler: Wagon's a history

VC 1.1

Midari Ikishima (1) - Doctor Drew

VC 1.2

Midari Ikishima (3)

- Doctor Drew, Tuxedo Mask, Midari Ikishima

VC 1.3

Midari Ikishima (5)

- Tuxedo Mask, Midari Ikishima, Marashu, word321, Doctor Drew

VC 1.3

Midari Ikishima (4)

- Tuxedo Mask, Marashu, word321, Doctor Drew

VC 1.4

Midari Ikishima (1)

- word321

VC 1.5

piisirrational (5)

- Midari Ikishima, Deimos27, Battle Mage, superbowl9, ceejayvinoya

Here the Midari wagon vanishes and is replaced by this Pi wagon.

VC 1.6

piisirrational (5)

- Midari Ikishima, Deimos27, Battle Mage, superbowl9, ceejayvinoya

VC 1.7

piisirrational (5)

- Midari Ikishima, Deimos27, Battle Mage, superbowl9, ceejayvinoya

Midari Ikishima (1)

- Doctor Drew

VC 1.7

Marashu (4)

- piisirrational, Battle Mage, Deimos27, superbowl9

piisirrational (2)

- Midari Ikishima, ceejayvinoya

Midari Ikishima (1)

- Doctor Drew

3rd big wagon of the game, Marashu. Doctor Drew continues to be the only trying to revive the Midari wagon.

VC 1.8

Marashu (4)

- Battle Mage, Deimos27, superbowl9, Worcestershire

Midari Ikishima (1)

- Doctor Drew

Pi wagon dies.

VC 1.8

Marashu (4)

- Battle Mage, Deimos27, superbowl9, Worcestershire

Midari Ikishima (2)

- Doctor Drew, votato

Votato joins the wagon.

VC 1.8

Marashu (4)

- Battle Mage, Deimos27, superbowl9, Worcestershire

Midari Ikishima (3)

- Doctor Drew, votato, word321

Word's back.

VC 1.9

Marashu (3)

- Deimos27, superbowl9, Worcestershire

Midari Ikishima (4)

- Doctor Drew, votato, word321, Battle Mage

Here comes BM.

Mod Note

Tux, How did you break the bbcode that bad that it broke the site layout?

VC 1.10

Marashu (3)

- Deimos27, superbowl9, Worcestershire

Midari Ikishima (5)

- Doctor Drew, votato, word321, Battle Mage, brassherald

I don't know how I broke it so bad, I'm sorry!
Brass joins the party.

VC 1.11

Marashu (3)

- Deimos27, superbowl9, Worcestershire

[Midari Ikishima] (5)

- Doctor Drew, votato, word321, Battle Mage, Looker

Brass tranforms into a new person.

VC 1.12

Marashu (3)

- Deimos27, superbowl9, Worcestershire

PenguinPower (4)

- Doctor Drew, votato, word321, Battle Mage

Oh god, now Midari transforms. Now we're all caught up.

Okay, what did I learn here? Drew and Word are bigs fans of the Midari wagon both returning to it. More interesting is the Pi and Marashu wagon has lots of cross over, but no one from the Midari wagon joins either, excluding Midari themselves and Battlemage who comes on at the end. Someone smart tell me what this means.

[votato]

my guess based on that would be that midari is scum and the two other wagons are counterwagons. it implicates BM? not my area of expertise and also i dunno how much we can learn pre-flip.

[Battle Mage]

Spoiler: Wagon's a history

VC 1.1

Midari Ikishima (1) - Doctor Drew

VC 1.2

Midari Ikishima (3)

- Doctor Drew, Tuxedo Mask, Midari Ikishima

VC 1.3

Midari Ikishima (5)

- Tuxedo Mask, Midari Ikishima, Marashu, word321, Doctor Drew

VC 1.3

Midari Ikishima (4)

- Tuxedo Mask, Marashu, word321, Doctor Drew

VC 1.4

Midari Ikishima (1)

- word321

VC 1.5

piisirrational (5)

- Midari Ikishima, Deimos27, Battle Mage, superbowl9, ceejayvinoya

Here the Midari wagon vanishes and is replaced by this Pi wagon.

VC 1.6

piisirrational (5)

- Midari Ikishima, Deimos27, Battle Mage, superbowl9, ceejayvinoya

VC 1.7

piisirrational (5)

- Midari Ikishima, Deimos27, Battle Mage, superbowl9, ceejayvinoya

Midari Ikishima (1)

- Doctor Drew

VC 1.7

Marashu (4)

- piisirrational, Battle Mage, Deimos27, superbowl9

piisirrational (2)

- Midari Ikishima, ceejayvinoya

Midari Ikishima (1)

- Doctor Drew

3rd big wagon of the game, Marashu. Doctor Drew continues to be the only trying to revive the Midari wagon.

VC 1.8

Marashu (4)

- Battle Mage, Deimos27, superbowl9, Worcestershire

Midari Ikishima (1)

- Doctor Drew

Pi wagon dies.

VC 1.8

Marashu (4)

- Battle Mage, Deimos27, superbowl9, Worcestershire

Midari Ikishima (2)

- Doctor Drew, votato

Votato joins the wagon.

VC 1.8

Marashu (4)

- Battle Mage, Deimos27, superbowl9, Worcestershire

Midari Ikishima (3)

- Doctor Drew, votato, word321

Word's back.

VC 1.9

Marashu (3)

- Deimos27, superbowl9, Worcestershire

Midari Ikishima (4)

- Doctor Drew, votato, word321, Battle Mage

Here comes BM.

Mod Note

Tux, How did you break the bbcode that bad that it broke the site layout?

VC 1.10

Marashu (3)

- Deimos27, superbowl9, Worcestershire

Midari Ikishima (5)

- Doctor Drew, votato, word321, Battle Mage, brassherald

I don't know how I broke it so bad, I'm sorry!
Brass joins the party.

VC 1.11

Marashu (3)

- Deimos27, superbowl9, Worcestershire

[Midari Ikishima] (5)

- Doctor Drew, votato, word321, Battle Mage, Looker

Brass tranforms into a new person.

VC 1.12

Marashu (3)

- Deimos27, superbowl9, Worcestershire

PenguinPower (4)

- Doctor Drew, votato, word321, Battle Mage

Oh god, now Midari transforms. Now we're all caught up.

Okay, what did I learn here? Drew and Word are bigs fans of the Midari wagon both returning to it. More interesting is the Pi and Marashu wagon has lots of cross over, but no one from the Midari wagon joins either, excluding Midari themselves and Battlemage who comes on at the end. Someone smart tell me what this means.

my guess based on that would be that midari is scum and the two other wagons are counterwagons. it implicates BM? not my area of expertise and also i dunno how much we can learn pre-flip.

I think I was on all of those wagons right? So, just to be clear, you think I'm implicated as scum with Midari because I was on all 3 of the best wagons, and eventually chose to jump off the larger town-wagon to bus my partner? Obviously I'm biased, but I think that would be an unusual move for me as scum

[Battle Mage]

What do I need to know because I'm not reading 25 pages worth of stuff?

I'm digging you already. And you've dropped from 99% scum to 80% scum. So you should probably join me with a:

VOTE: Marashu

I'm back baby!

[Looker]

"Townbloc" in which sense ?

I see you signed up right before this game - do you have any prior mafia experience?

I played a few games on "AoPS" and on a platform called "Zoom", where it is possible to have eye contact with the players. I had a brief trip to "E.M" and "ToS", where I got negative experiences, until I found MafiaScum. My affinity with the theme is average.

Do you feel it's possible or effective for town to 'townblock' on Day 1? How do you ensure it's not a scheme to relinquish accountability for groupthink?

What was the rationale for that?

for the plan? pseudo-investigative, and also to keep the Hider's identity hidden. If the hider suddenly dies, we'd know who they were targeting without outing who they were. If they suddenly die in a later night, then that will confirm the players from previous days without needing to come out and say they are clear.

for the objection? This plan has a false positive if the Hider visits the Vigilante, but this is resolved if we have a Tracker instead of a Vigilante. Midari seemed convinced that we would have a vigilante, or at least didn't think it obvious that we should have a Tracker.

I think it's too easy to spot the vig with that tactic.

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• I've played with word before.
  
• Lynch preferences are 31% marashu | 24% deimos or word321 | 20% Battle Mage or Tuxedo Mask | 13% Doctor Drew or ceejayvinoya | 9%
  midari
  Penguin Power | 3% Superbowl, votato, worcester,
  piisirrational
  Nash.

VOTE: Marashu I like the divisiveness of a counterwagon, and I don't understand why Marashu unvoted.

p-edit: G-1

[Battle Mage]

L-2 baby

Looker, you know I'm town here man

[Battle Mage]

i disagree with both your points above. Townblocking is super helpful. even though my reads suck so bad, my townblock is often riddled with scum

as for outting the Vig, there aint gonna be a Vig - trust me!

[superbowl9]

Welcome looker, and welcome PP to the anime pfp guild!

Welcome votato to the Midari is town club!

Welcome BM and Looker to the Marashu wagon!

[superbowl9]

Lynch preferences are 31% marashu | 24% deimos or word321 | 20% Battle Mage or Tuxedo Mask | 13% Doctor Drew or ceejayvinoya | 9% midariPenguin Power | 3% Superbowl, votato, worcester, piisirrationalNash.

Can you explain deimos and word?

[Deimos27]

Word wrote so many words (how fitting) last page and I'm really not in a state of mind to do analysis right now, so I'll post more substantively regarding Midari in the morning.