New Rule: Replace the Word "Lynch" in Games

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What the fuck what the fuck what the fuck

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Word policing days have came

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Meh not much problem if the policing remains only to mod posts, but this better not become players policing each other for using their preferred term.

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I can sympathize with Enter especially if something like "good morning" could easily get censored.

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For mods: you must use a verb or noun other than "lynch" for your rules and for moderator communications. If it is in your current ruleset, change it.

I'd open an exception for games with direct medieval/Salem flavor.

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Let's just use "mobkill" and replace modkill with something else like hostkill

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For mods: you must use a verb or noun other than "lynch" for your rules and for moderator communications. If it is in your current ruleset, change it.

I'd open an exception for games with direct medieval/Salem flavor.

Or pirates. Or wild west. Turns out "lynching" was used for a lot of things that had nothing to do with race.

Yeah, pretty much. But they want to bigotry charge every single word in the Oxford dictionary, so...

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Lyncher and Unlyncher are semi-common roles in Great/Grand Idea games and bastard themes. What words should we replace them with?

Prosecutor and lawyer?

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imagine getting this mad over a singular word change in a fucking forum online mafia game that doesnt matter

This but without the "change"

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I can’t really stop that. It’s the history and Understandment they were brought into.

It's a sad thing history sometimes can take really terrible turns hence always following the wave is bad.

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I can’t really stop that. It’s the history and Understandment they were brought into.

It's a sad thing history sometimes can take really terrible turns hence always following the wave is bad.

And what, might I ask, is the terrible turn that removing the word "lynch" is taking us upon?

You have been resistant to this wave and I don't understand why.

Not necessarily terrible, but the fact people seem to just passively agree to everything is very concerning.

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I can’t really stop that. It’s the history and Understandment they were brought into.

It's a sad thing history sometimes can take really terrible turns hence always following the wave is bad.

And what, might I ask, is the terrible turn that removing the word "lynch" is taking us upon?

You have been resistant to this wave and I don't understand why.

Not necessarily terrible, but the fact people seem to just passively agree to everything is very concerning.

As a proper response however, I don't think people are passively agreeing. People have been extremely vocal on both sides. I have noted you kind of cheerleading the "lynching isn't racist" arguments from the sidelines and I want to know what you think gives them the winning argument here.

Fmpov, and I think from the reasonable and educated (at least on the matter) point of view, the removal of a term with such racially charged undertones, and sometimes explicit overtones, is a huge net positive for the site and one which is dearly needed.

So what is the negative to this?

I'd cheerleader the "when someone uses 'lynch' ingame they of course don't mean hostility towards a real life group" argument.

I already exposed in another forums why the many alternatives to "lynch" being brought up are straight out terrible and/or confusing and I'd rather if mods were allowed to use it to specify "a kill done by a public voting mechanism" and/or to fit the flavor if they decide to do a medieval setting.

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And any argument that we should somehow keep using a word that will harmful just because we have used it for so long is the same as saying it is okay to glorify a racist with a statue or name a military base after a confederate general.

Just because it is history doesn't mean we should glorify it with public use.

No one wants to glorify a word, we just want to keep using it as it is the most practical.

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Explain why EXECUTE is not a practical solution that does not have a racial history. It fits the theme, it functions very clearly as and executions tend to be done in public, and in the past by public consent.

Execution seems to be done by an authority instead of simple citizens desperate to take justice into their own hands. Most games it should be doable, but it'll still be confusing if the mod decides to add a role that involves executing.

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Cause creature, the issue is this

It is impossible to tell online the difference between someone who genuinely believes somehow that keeping on using a racially charged word that hurts people is MOST PRACTICAL

and an asshole racist who says those words to fit into common society.

And given I have provided an alternative... as have many others... I think we are reasonably safe in assuming the second, because it is safer for our communities to not harbour racist assholes.

You understand that?

There are so many fallacies in this post idk which is the most appropriate to point.

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And any argument that we should somehow keep using a word that will harmful just because we have used it for so long is the same as saying it is okay to glorify a racist with a statue or name a military base after a confederate general.

Just because it is history doesn't mean we should glorify it with public use.

No one wants to glorify a word, we just want to keep using it as it is the most practical.

This is some real "but my southern heritage" bullshit

This must be the faulty analogy fallacy.

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If you're gonna keep making dumb replies maybe put a modicum of effort in.

Yeah, someone compares the usage of a common mafia terminology to intentionally being racist and I am the one making dumb replies.

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Creature, I'm asking this half-seriously:

Have you ever even met a Black person?

I live in a country that almost half of the population identifies as brown/black. Pretty sure I met plenty and even am related to plenty.

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Why are you still opposed again?

It is not the most practical and exceptions should be made for setups involving a setting that uses lynch for non-racial reasons.

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I live in a country that almost half of the population identifies as brown/black. Pretty sure I met plenty and even am related to plenty.

so then, do you understand that helping Black folks feel welcome in this community is more important than keeping a word just because "it was always done that way?"

I can't grasp why they wouldn't feel welcome just because of a word that isn't even used for racial reasons. I don't care what word you prefer to use, just would rather not be met with constant word policing.

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Why are you still opposed again?

It is not the most practical and exceptions should be made for setups involving a setting that uses lynch for non-racial reasons.

But this is a dumb fucking argument that you've yet to support.

For mods: you must use a verb or noun other than "lynch" for your rules and for moderator communications. If it is in your current ruleset, change it.

I'd open an exception for games with direct medieval/Salem flavor.

Or pirates. Or wild west. Turns out "lynching" was used for a lot of things that had nothing to do with race.

Does it make pirate books less enjoyable because they used the word "lynch"?

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We have heard people who would prefer lynch remains. We are still making the change. If you have questions about what that change will look like, those are appropriate posts, please do so, I am watching the thread for those questions! Opining about not making the change or wanting the decision reversed, or some combination thereof, are not really appropriate at this point. We know a tiny number of people oppose this change. We have heard the feedback, we even anticipated hearing that kind of feedback, but we've made the decision anyway to remove lynch from our mafia vocabulary.

Can there still be exceptions if the theme kinda involves the term?

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We have heard people who would prefer lynch remains. We are still making the change. If you have questions about what that change will look like, those are appropriate posts, please do so, I am watching the thread for those questions! Opining about not making the change or wanting the decision reversed, or some combination thereof, are not really appropriate at this point. We know a tiny number of people oppose this change. We have heard the feedback, we even anticipated hearing that kind of feedback, but we've made the decision anyway to remove lynch from our mafia vocabulary.

Can there still be exceptions if the theme kinda involves the term?

No.

Damn, mobkill sounds really lame.

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I can't grasp why they wouldn't feel welcome just because of a word that isn't even used for racial reasons.

Then you obviously don't understand the Black experience as well as you think you do. I suggest you expand your circle of friends.

I could, but I'd still likely not find anyone with a problem over this word unless I searched inner specific circles.

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I can't grasp why they wouldn't feel welcome just because of a word that isn't even used for racial reasons.

Then you obviously don't understand the Black experience as well as you think you do. I suggest you expand your circle of friends.

I could, but I'd still likely not find anyone with a problem over this word unless I searched inner specific circles.

So you want to not be considered racist but you're making the argument that it would be too much trouble to make Black friends, got it

No, it would not be trouble finding black friends, it would be trouble finding those who would feel disturbed about the word "lynch" used in a game.

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We have heard people who would prefer lynch remains. We are still making the change. If you have questions about what that change will look like, those are appropriate posts, please do so, I am watching the thread for those questions! Opining about not making the change or wanting the decision reversed, or some combination thereof, are not really appropriate at this point. We know a tiny number of people oppose this change. We have heard the feedback, we even anticipated hearing that kind of feedback, but we've made the decision anyway to remove lynch from our mafia vocabulary.

Can there still be exceptions if the theme kinda involves the term?

...WHAT THEME GAME ARE YOU THINKING OF RUNNING THAT REQUIRES THIS WORD???

There's a whole game which theme involves dark age citizens using lynch to find mafia.

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No, it would not be trouble finding black friends

If you're like this in person then don't be so sure.

I don't immediately start talking race with them nor do I intend to unless they're fine with it. Also you'd be surprised to find out they don't share your view of the world.

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Why are you still opposed again?

It is not the most practical and exceptions should be made for setups involving a setting that uses lynch for non-racial reasons.

So if a Buddhist dons a swastika avatar is that okay?

They have it up for non-Nazi reasons!

Aren't the Buddhist and nazi swastikas pretty different?

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That's why

"Fag"

and "lynch" and many others are not appropriate in our current society.

There are some situations the former word can be used as long the context it is being used is clear. The latter involves a group of people, or mob, targeting and killing a specific person, with no further direct connotations.

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That's why

"Fag"

and "lynch" and many others are not appropriate in our current society.

There are some situations the former word can be used as long the context it is being used is clear. The latter involves a group of people, or mob, targeting and killing a specific person, with no further direct connotations.

If you're looking for "legitimate" excuses to use that kind of language then consider turning 18.

I'm not trying to need to use that word, but if I ever find it useable, I'd rather be judged by the context of the sentence/paragraph I used it than the word itself.

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That's why

"Fag"

and "lynch" and many others are not appropriate in our current society.

There are some situations the former word can be used as long the context it is being used is clear. The latter involves a group of people, or mob, targeting and killing a specific person,

with no further direct connotations

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HOLY SHIT WHAT

ARE YOU ACTUALLY SAYING LYNCH HAS NO SOCIAL CONNOTATIONS?

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SMOKING

Not in the dictionary.

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Well, good thing the world and all conversations take place in the dictionary. I mean, that noose in Bubba Wallace's garage, nothing to do with the fact that he's black. It's not in the dictionary.

A true insight into how society works from Creature.

That's why you judge the context and not the word.

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Well, good thing the world and all conversations take place in the dictionary. I mean, that noose in Bubba Wallace's garage, nothing to do with the fact that he's black. It's not in the dictionary.

A true insight into how society works from Creature.

That's why you judge the context and not the word.

When was the last time a white man had a noose used against them as a threat?

The thing you've described is pretty different from someone just saying "noose". The word alone can mean a lot of things, while what you've described should be pretty clear.

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Would you wear a Buddhist swastika as an avi?

No, I'd rather not. Still, they're different enough to tell when it is okay to give the benefit of doubt.

Like not asking religiously or anything. But if you had one and liked the style, in theory, would you wear it?

Not sure what to answer. I saw some company logos that resembled a swastika, so idk exactly how judged it should be.

This question is really absurd, because the Buddhist swastika is only being brought up because of the Nazi swastika. If someone who never heard of Nazi always wore it, what would you think about them?