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Post Post #2675 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:18 pm

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In post 2672, Auro wrote:No, the loss of flips is way more damaging than loss of a free mislynch.
??????

one of Vota/Stark dies tonight. We agree there right?

if I get free and Pork and I can jail keep one of them next week then Stark has to free me and burn her action.

I guess the question is do you want Stark to invest this week or free me? or can see do both?
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Post Post #2676 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:21 pm

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Of course. I'm saying that I would prefer that Stark frees you, she can't do both as far as I know.
If she frees you, we have a better chance of saving at least one CO. If there's only one jailkeep and scum hit the jailkept person tonight then we lose both COs.
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Post Post #2677 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:24 pm

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yea we are saying the same thing but I feel like its getting mixed up somhow. oh well. Who do you want Pork on and who do you want me on?
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Post Post #2678 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:27 pm

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You kidnap Arya, Pork kidnaps Votato? Pick the castles randomly.
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Post Post #2679 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:27 pm

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sounds good
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Post Post #2680 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:37 pm

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That's a good plan
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Post Post #2681 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:54 pm

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auro, why are you not asking vota to release me?
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Post Post #2682 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:58 pm

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In post 2681, Nero Cain wrote:auro, why are you not asking vota to release me?
Because Arya may listen to me while Votato probably won't?
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Post Post #2683 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:00 pm

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but its a public action, so if he refuses to do it he just looks worse so where was the harm in asking?
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Post Post #2684 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:01 pm

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Attention, all Court Officials

Please release Nero Cain

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Post Post #2685 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:02 pm

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In post 2683, Nero Cain wrote:but its a public action, so if he refuses to do it he just looks worse so where was the harm in asking?
I don't think anyone really cares that he'll look marginally worse lol
pisskop's on about me somehow suffocating him from "playing tactically" by asking Arya to release you
Porkens lolvigging and calling me a fascist will only continue to do so saying I'm trying to dictate actions
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Post Post #2686 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:03 pm

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hmmm...
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Post Post #2687 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:18 pm

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How does kidnap work?
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Post Post #2688 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:25 pm

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In post 2684, Auro wrote:
Attention, all Court Officials

Please release Nero Cain

ty
Not both, look at the damn flip. Even if it’s one. Once I see that I’ll put in the kidnapping orders
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Post Post #2689 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:28 pm

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Once we reach coup the CO abilities come back
Getting flip information now to reveal potential associations is high importance.
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Post Post #2690 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:28 pm

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If one does it, other looks at flip
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Post Post #2691 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:33 pm

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While kidnapped they can't do actions, which means no more flips? It says jailkeep, not just protect.
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Post Post #2692 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:46 pm

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Fine
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Post Post #2693 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:12 pm

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In post 2689, davesaz wrote:Getting flip information now to reveal potential associations is high importance.
but is it really
that
important?

Its easily deduced that LQ and KMD were town.

We know that ygritte was a vig kill so it could be scum or town.

and rubi could be either.

like yes, it would be nice to know if have hit scum yet but it defiantly does not supersede protecting COs. and they have a 50% chance of flipping scum and a 50% chance of flipping town. We don't need to know their flips to theorize on what these things mean.

if ygritte is town it means?

if ygritte is scum it means?

if rubi is town it means?

if rubi is scum it means?
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Post Post #2694 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:59 am

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COs are fucked anyway let’s be honest.
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Post Post #2695 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:03 am

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It means the same thing it would in any other game. Look at associations.
Otherwise it's just a random killing game and hope we get the scum.
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Post Post #2696 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:10 am

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Nero's point is that there is no value in those single flips when the cost is to lose flip investigation ability after week 4 (which would then mean random killing). We can always check those flips post week 5 when someone who's alive and can stay alive takE them powers
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Post Post #2697 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:12 am

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I’m not kidnapping unless we flip.
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Post Post #2698 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:02 am

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In post 2696, Auro wrote:Nero's point is that there is no value in those single flips when the cost is to lose flip investigation ability after week 4 (which would then mean random killing). We can always check those flips post week 5 when someone who's alive and can stay alive takE them powers
This assumes that we haven't already lost by then. Information earlier is always better than later. The only exception is things like limited shot watcher / tracker which can give more accurate results on a smaller player base. Even n-shot cop results are better earlier rather than later. The proposal is so against the optimum game theory that I'm beginning to question the source.
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Post Post #2699 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:03 am

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