Silent Star 1: Lunacy

[Clover Ebi]

Is paranoia the only thing stopping you from townreading Lilith Votato? Because if that's the case you should probably have her as town. At least for day 1. (Even though I think she's obvious)

[votato]

although i would appreciate it if you at least pretend to scumread me, itll make me feel a bit better about myself.

[votato]

Is paranoia the only thing stopping you from townreading Lilith Votato? Because if that's the case you should probably have her as town. At least for day 1. (Even though I think she's obvious)

i do have her as town for day 1.

[votato]

but im also very paranoid. so i keep waffling

[lilith2013]

I was even using it as my frame of reference for Votato’s push on me. Although that might be a bit unfair

Can you elaborate on what this means? Was the votato in that situation scum or town?

[lilith2013]

although i would appreciate it if you at least pretend to scumread me, itll make me feel a bit better about myself.

Okay scum

[Clover Ebi]

I don't think you should let paranoia effect your reads at least for day 1. I get some people are really good at scum, but I've got my games wrong based on paranoia before. How much do your reads change if at all if we take that factor out?
pedit: No no, I mean I was thinking back to old pushes on me from townies and trying to think/compare them to some of these

[Clover Ebi]

I have played with scum votato before but I don't think that game would help me very much

[lilith2013]

Yeah, I guess I'm asking whether the push that is most similar came from town or scum?

[votato]

I was even using it as my frame of reference for Votato’s push on me. Although that might be a bit unfair

Can you elaborate on what this means? Was the votato in that situation scum or town?

there is only one votato!

although i would appreciate it if you at least pretend to scumread me, itll make me feel a bit better about myself.

Okay scum

yessssssss

[lilith2013]

there is only one votato!

errrr I meant more like "was the person who represents votato in that scenario town or scum"

[Clover Ebi]

Yeah, I guess I'm asking whether the push that is most similar came from town or scum?

Came from town

[lilith2013]

So are you townreading votato?

[Clover Ebi]

So are you townreading votato?

No no, what I'm saying is a referenced a town case against me to try and see if I got similar feelings to this game and I haven't got that. So, I then looked at his points themselves and I didn't really think they came from good faith

[Nahdia]

I got light town pings from beeboy because of the frustration because it seemed real to me. In the game I've played with beeboy before he was cool as a cucumber. Do you think he's likely to fake this anger because it's something 'town' him most do as scum? I suppose you could make an argument for saying beeboy wouldn't get mad at scum but the main problem I have is the pretense that he's faking this and that's just not how I took it.

maybe i should reframe. it's not so much that beeboy is faking it as i have a feeling it's not how town!beeboy would react there. the aggression can be both real and also scummy. i maintain the "I see things clearly other people arent" is out of place tho.

caught up, kinda

votato talking about townblocks all the time feels like buddiyng. not to mention admits he's apathetic as town and has the second-highest posts?
midwaybear gives all kinds of thoughts/analysis and then says they have no reads in 355.

morning tweet seems actually engaged in sorting players.
to answer her question on tux: i did say i thought his entrance was a reach i think? but looking back, it get the feeling scum would be less likely to enter on something so.. elaborate?

[Nahdia]

a lot of names i kind of just glazed over, itt.

[Raven Branwen]

The more I read from this game, the more confused I get. I’m liking Votato a bit better now but I still don’t understand why Clover is his #1 scumread.

I have 0 experience with Lillith but nothing she’s posting is particularly pinging me.

Anyone here have meta on Nadhia? I’m having the most trouble trying to parse her.

@Dunn, can you please answer my Skitter question? Thanks.

And thanks @mod for preventing me from undue eyestrain.

[Raven Branwen]

I got light town pings from beeboy because of the frustration because it seemed real to me. In the game I've played with beeboy before he was cool as a cucumber. Do you think he's likely to fake this anger because it's something 'town' him most do as scum? I suppose you could make an argument for saying beeboy wouldn't get mad at scum but the main problem I have is the pretense that he's faking this and that's just not how I took it.

maybe i should reframe. it's not so much that beeboy is faking it as i have a feeling it's not how town!beeboy would react there. the aggression can be both real and also scummy. i maintain the "I see things clearly other people arent" is out of place tho.

caught up, kinda

votato talking about townblocks all the time feels like buddiyng. not to mention admits he's apathetic as town and has the second-highest posts?
midwaybear gives all kinds of thoughts/analysis and then says they have no reads in 355.

morning tweet seems actually engaged in sorting players.
to answer her question on tux: i did say i thought his entrance was a reach i think? but looking back, it get the feeling scum would be less likely to enter on something so.. elaborate?

That’s interesting, @votato, are you usually this engaged as town? But I don’t understand, Nahdia. Why does talking about townblocks read as buddying to you? This is my problem with you in a nutshell, you make one statement I can kind of agree with, then combine it with another that leaves me scratching my head.

[Kanna]

maybe i should reframe. it's not so much that beeboy is faking it as i have a feeling it's not how town!beeboy would react there. the aggression can be both real and also scummy. i maintain the "I see things clearly other people arent" is out of place tho.

a slight problem i have is i don't know how beeboy can otherwise react? he was replying to tux's push on him which is just...as you would do in a game of mafia. how do you think town!beeboy would react?

although on readback, i'm not sure what he meant by "see things other people aren't seeing" either.

@beeboy; can you elaborate on that?

[Kanna]

If the former - I think anyone who's played with scum!me (especially you) should recognize this is pretty far out of my scumrange. If the latter, I can pretend I'm still scumreading you if you want.

This kind of comment always feels townie to me, but i just looked through your scumgame (guns and roses iv) and errrr...i disagree. maybe i'm paranoid. i think you seem "townie" based on your fearlessness, but that's a playstyle. why do you say you're out of your scumrange?

[Nahdia]

I got light town pings from beeboy because of the frustration because it seemed real to me. In the game I've played with beeboy before he was cool as a cucumber. Do you think he's likely to fake this anger because it's something 'town' him most do as scum? I suppose you could make an argument for saying beeboy wouldn't get mad at scum but the main problem I have is the pretense that he's faking this and that's just not how I took it.

maybe i should reframe. it's not so much that beeboy is faking it as i have a feeling it's not how town!beeboy would react there. the aggression can be both real and also scummy. i maintain the "I see things clearly other people arent" is out of place tho.

caught up, kinda

votato talking about townblocks all the time feels like buddiyng. not to mention admits he's apathetic as town and has the second-highest posts?
midwaybear gives all kinds of thoughts/analysis and then says they have no reads in 355.

morning tweet seems actually engaged in sorting players.
to answer her question on tux: i did say i thought his entrance was a reach i think? but looking back, it get the feeling scum would be less likely to enter on something so.. elaborate?

That’s interesting, @votato, are you usually this engaged as town? But I don’t understand, Nahdia. Why does talking about townblocks read as buddying to you? This is my problem with you in a nutshell, you make one statement I can kind of agree with, then combine it with another that leaves me scratching my head.

the combination of talking about forming townblocks and the tone. im not sure how to better explain it, it's just something i find comes from scum. there's a lot more scum motivation in forming a townblock than town motivation.

maybe i should reframe. it's not so much that beeboy is faking it as i have a feeling it's not how town!beeboy would react there. the aggression can be both real and also scummy. i maintain the "I see things clearly other people arent" is out of place tho.

a slight problem i have is i don't know how beeboy can otherwise react? he was replying to tux's push on him which is just...as you would do in a game of mafia. how do you think town!beeboy would react?

although on readback, i'm not sure what he meant by "see things other people aren't seeing" either.

@beeboy; can you elaborate on that?

i mean ive been over this but it's less the fact that he responded and more how he did so.

[Dunnstral]

@Dunn, can you please answer my Skitter question? Thanks.

I feel like I've answer multiple times, the gist is that it seemed like a fake persona. a.k.a. not how she would naturally type out her posts, and I believe that to be scummy

[lilith2013]

If the former - I think anyone who's played with scum!me (especially you) should recognize this is pretty far out of my scumrange. If the latter, I can pretend I'm still scumreading you if you want.

This kind of comment always feels townie to me, but i just looked through your scumgame (guns and roses iv) and errrr...i disagree. maybe i'm paranoid. i think you seem "townie" based on your fearlessness, but that's a playstyle. why do you say you're out of your scumrange?

I can’t fake gamesolving on a macro level, basically. Have you read any of my other games?

[skitter30]

catching up

i'm not sure i'm really vibing the scumreads on tux or clover
i'm also not sure i see the kanna townreads

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i think assuming people are town kinda leads to complacency and insufficient critical examination. if thats your playstyle then ??? but ive never seen it before and feel that its more likely a scumslip

i've seen a few different townies just treat everyone as town until they know otherwise
or, failing that, talking to everyone as if they're town just to be polite
i'm not sure where you're seeing a scumslip here?

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What do you think of clovers "I can't form scum reads" typically that's scummy because scum just know everyone is town so it can be hard on them.

i actually have a similar vibe rn, so i empathize with it.
there's a few people i actively think are scummy (i.e. dunn and nahdia), and a few people that i actively think are town (i.e. you, mt), and then a bunch of people that are annoyingly in the middle that i don't have a good feel for yet

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Skitts gave me townvibes in our previous game enough to hold me off of her wagon when it really should've been obvious :X She has a handicap where i set her a bit down in my reads on purpose cause i think regardless of alignment she's going to trick me at least once or twice

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ok new post !

[skitter30]

I do not really get the votes on nahdia right now btw. The stance on beeboy's frustration with tux was fine to me. I can sorta see what they mean by that, but I still think beeboy is overall more townie. I don't really see why scum would try to paint it as a 1v1 especially if there wasn't a lot of momentum at the time.

their tone is off + i feel like they were using the beeboy/tux thing to initiate a meh push on beeboy that lacks merit and conviction

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Nahdia seems to be talking about out of both sides of their mouth.

I don’t understand Nadhia at all.

can i interest either of u in voting nahdia?