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Post #84 (isolation #1) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:17 am
Postby Clover Ebi »
Also a question I was thinking about pregame and would like some opinions on: Say we fail this day one. Is it best to lynch inside the Coli day 1 or go outside it to see if-you know what the more I type out this post the more stupid I feel nevermind
pedit: I can't tell if this is a joke
In post 87, votato wrote:we arent gonna discuss day 2 because it could help scum to discuss it now.
How so?
explaining that would help scum. you trying to bait me into explaining it makes me think you're scum.[/quo*te]
blink
...Huh? I am just-huh?! You think talking about day 2 helps scum and because I asked for more detail why I'm scummy for it... am I getting that all right?
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Post #112 (isolation #5) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:00 am
Postby Clover Ebi »
I'm pretty sure Votato is town for this stance I am just very confused on how he got to it.
pedit: But that wasn't what I was asking. (Or at least was going to ask) I was talking about what we should do day 2 if it reaches that point. I don't see why that is an issue. Besides, unless scum are rookies I don't think it's a stretch to say they already have an idea on what they want to do.
In post 112, Clover Ebi wrote:I'm pretty sure Votato is town for this stance I am just very confused on how he got to it.
pedit: But that wasn't what I was asking. (Or at least was going to ask) I was talking about what we should do day 2 if it reaches that point. I don't see why that is an issue. Besides, unless scum are rookies I don't think it's a stretch to say they already have an idea on what they want to do.
if scum knows what town is going to do on day 2 they can plan around it or at least set up a massive WIFOM pitfall. better to leave such discussions for day 2.
This can be said about almost any type of discussion though. That doesn't mean having a conversation and discussing ideas isn't bad. Besides, this is about finding townreads on day 1 and after that is scumreads. Very very different!
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Post #701 (isolation #9) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:58 pm
Postby Clover Ebi »
This game started 2 days ago and there's 700 posts that is impressive to me. Oh boy, I got a lot to get back into. Now time to figure out the best way to do this without draining myself out.
In post 701, Clover Ebi wrote:This game started 2 days ago and there's 700 posts that is impressive to me. Oh boy, I got a lot to get back into. Now time to figure out the best way to do this without draining myself out.
I have that effect on games...
if you'd like a summary I can give you one tomorrow when I'm off of work.
That'd be nice. I feel the pressure to try and catch up on all the pages I missed because I know if I can just get my feet back into the ground I'll be in that coil because if I can do one thing on this site I guess it's be townread but uh yeah coming home from a long day of work and seeing all this is pretty draining. I could probably do a few pages for now though.
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Post #706 (isolation #12) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:09 pm
Postby Clover Ebi »
In post 324, DkKoba wrote:im actually reading harder into their ISO.. how TF did yall let him get in so far??????????????????
Does anyone know if DK is normally this energetic/aggro as scum? I'm inclined to townread this entrance. It feels pretty genuine to me.
Sleeper on page 15 seems pretty ok to me. The uneasy thought process is one I have all the time yet try to hide and fail to do so.
Idk how anyone has me in a team right now when I should be in zero with how little I've posted.
In post 87, votato wrote:we arent gonna discuss day 2 because it could help scum to discuss it now.
How so?
explaining that would help scum. you trying to bait me into explaining it makes me think you're scum.[/quo*te]
blink
...Huh? I am just-huh?! You think talking about day 2 helps scum and because I asked for more detail why I'm scummy for it... am I getting that all right?
I don't read the tonality as genuine
at all
, given how large an overreaction this is. Like without weighing in on the validity of votato's point, I found his argumentation to be perfectly clear, so to respond with supposed indignant confusion comes off as badly faked emotional outcry.
I am not someone who can fake or probably would try to fake such an emotion. Is it really that hard to believe that I just didn't get why talking about day 2 is scummy? I'm curious.
In post 424, Deimos27 wrote:I'm surprised some people have townreads on this slot based off 9 relatively contentless posts.
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Post #709 (isolation #15) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:14 pm
Postby Clover Ebi »
Atm I don't really have any stong scumreads but Pooky has been talked about so much I want to lynch him if we don't auto win. That's decent logic right?
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Post #792 (isolation #19) » Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:47 am
Postby Clover Ebi »
In post 766, Deimos27 wrote:And the low motivation repeated disappearances and brief catch-up is so typical from players that don't like scum (I do it myself!)
But this is a baseless assumption and none of this statement is true? I mean sure, the catch up is brief but that doesn't mean I have low motivation. I don't know if I like scum yet I haven't rolled it!
In post 87, votato wrote:we arent gonna discuss day 2 because it could help scum to discuss it now.
How so?
explaining that would help scum. you trying to bait me into explaining it makes me think you're scum.[/quo*te]
blink
...Huh? I am just-huh?! You think talking about day 2 helps scum and because I asked for more detail why I'm scummy for it... am I getting that all right?
I don't read the tonality as genuine
at all
, given how large an overreaction this is. Like without weighing in on the validity of votato's point, I found his argumentation to be perfectly clear, so to respond with supposed indignant confusion comes off as badly faked emotional outcry.
I am not someone who can fake or probably would try to fake such an emotion. Is it really that hard to believe that I just didn't get why talking about day 2 is scummy? I'm curious.
It's not hard to believe that you would disagree about the scumminess of talking D2. It's hard to believe you wouldn't understand such a straightforward formulation of why someone else thinks so. And I put 0 weight in you saying that it isn't something you would do as scum. Scum never thinks they're playing like they do as scum.
In theory, you're correct that I could do that as scum but as someone who has not flipped scum on this site before and due to my previous scum games else where. Faking emotion has never been a tactic I use. What I didn't understand is why Votato was trying to cut me off about discussing day 2. That just didn't make sense to me. Why do you think it's more likely I'm scum in that case than town?
pedit: That was more me being shocked at the number of pages we're at and being sleepy than anything else. I've been obvious town in my other 2 games on here so I hope I can show that here as well. I feel when I do flip scum one game it'll be extremely obvious. Well, maybe not but it makes worried to think about
In post 87, votato wrote:we arent gonna discuss day 2 because it could help scum to discuss it now.
How so?
explaining that would help scum. you trying to bait me into explaining it makes me think you're scum.
In post 110, votato wrote:yes. talking about scum's optimal strategy only helps scum at this stage. insisting that we discuss scum's optimal strategy and in fact trying to goad me into explaining what i think that strategy is, is scummy.
and how that is scummy. I, was left confused by this because as I said in a post after: That wasn't what I was talking about at all because no where in my post did I even mention talking about what scum are going to do. You will notice that any confusion I had over the conversation was gone when he was being clear in this post:
In post 111, votato wrote:once we get to day 2 we should discuss day 2. until then i think its counterproductive. imho.
I wanted to talk about day 2 and how us as a town could go forward. Yet Votato made vague posts saying that it could help scum which left me visibility confused on why talking about what we as a town want to do only helps scum. When I ask for more clarity on my clear confusion he calls me scummy for it.
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Post #821 (isolation #28) » Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:30 am
Postby Clover Ebi »
In post 820, Deimos27 wrote:I assume your coalition is your townreads. Do you have an idea of who you think scum is?
I haven't been really looking for scum so I can't really say I have anyone listed as scum but I would probably lynch Alduskkel for not having many reasons to townread them and Pooky for information.
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Post #828 (isolation #29) » Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:44 am
Postby Clover Ebi »
In post 822, Deimos27 wrote:You've healed Don. Which of their posts do you think are town-AI?
His early game posts saying he'll lynch himself if his co is wrong felt fine to me. I'm still debating on my 5th of him/others but the other 4 I feel fine about (well 3 if you don't count myself)
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Post #962 (isolation #30) » Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:13 pm
Postby Clover Ebi »
I don't mind not being in the co it isn't a great concern to me on if it passes or fails because if I'm in it I have more time to just town tell. Although, that should mean you guys get into focus on who you do townread. It's probably way too risky to put me in the co since people don't seem to townread me and if it fails I'm on the chopping block. With that being said HURT: all
Good luck!
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Post #963 (isolation #31) » Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:14 pm
Postby Clover Ebi »
I also don't think you guys should be looking for scum and more people who are town like Klick and Kobba are 2 people I would bet the game on being town at this point. The other 3 you can make an argument for and I'd love to hear peoples reasoning for townreading slots that aren't them. I should probably transfer to a who do I think is scum mindset.
Well, I always like to look at games where everyone is town to start and then go from there. But, doing that in this game has made things a lot more complex for myself than needed due to I don't really have a lot of reasons to scumread people. More so a confidence level than anything else.
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Post #1003 (isolation #34) » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:24 am
Postby Clover Ebi »
I still feel fine about Sleeper on a re read. I was trying to see if I was perhaps biased because I liked their tone, but I still wouldn't mind them going into a co. I'll try to find 1 or 2 other people for you guys. My main question is do you think Deimos read on me came from a place of good faith? Cause I liked it.
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Post #1005 (isolation #35) » Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:13 am
Postby Clover Ebi »
Uh, UHHHHH. You know I never thought I would be debating this. I mean, sure I guess? If you really want. That just requires me to be decent if it all goes south right?
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Post #1052 (isolation #36) » Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:22 am
Postby Clover Ebi »
In post 1019, Deimos27 wrote:Clover, do you remember why you thought votato was town for that stance? Usually players find it hard to townread each other when they don't understand their thought processes, so it's surprising that you manage to tr votato while being so baffled.
People often do scumread things that they don't understand, I found that a trend on this site. But I try to look at things another way. For example:
It felt like a stance that scum wouldn't subject themselves too. Because even if Votato was scum he would've believed that talking about day 2 would only help scum right? Even if that wasn't what I was saying. So why does scum Votato try and correct me like that? You could argue that he did it to push me but he later called me town so that makes even less sense.
In post 1019, Deimos27 wrote:I would also like to continue to contribute to the discussion about Clover by pointing out how much the bolded phrasing pings me in this post. Clover isn't particularly formal in tone so the "I'm inclined to townread this" wording reads like typical scum cogdis not actually holding the view they claim to hold. Those three sentences feel particularly awkward in general.
Hey I take offense to the typical scum line! I will have you know I had/have a very high scum winrate on my home site. Although I do feel like this site is very different and I'd be a lot more nervous. Do you have a problem with my viewpoint on Kobba?
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Post #1055 (isolation #38) » Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:36 am
Postby Clover Ebi »
As you and everyone in the thread has assumed I'm not really the whole 'hey sheep me!' type. But I'll give a helping hand!
If I was gonna make a co right now with myself in it it'd be you/me/Sleeper/Kobba/Deimos
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Post #1056 (isolation #39) » Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:38 am
Postby Clover Ebi »
Don could go in over Deimos maybe even sleeper for me but I'm confident on Klick/Kobba. Do I read an iso for a 3rd time just to probably come to the same answer? Maybe.
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Post #1146 (isolation #43) » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:34 pm
Postby Clover Ebi »
Well, I'll let others point that out for you since I would obviously be biased and a bad choice for that. Although just in case your co fails don't you think it'd be good to give my iso a quick skim and come to your own answer on my slot for if I'm towny or scummy at the moment?
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Post #1157 (isolation #44) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:45 am
Postby Clover Ebi »
I don't really know how to argue that I am awk/weird as others seem to be saying but uh, hi guys I'm town. If you want me not in the group of 5 that's fine but in the case we fail you still need to read me
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Post #1221 (isolation #46) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:39 am
Postby Clover Ebi »
I find it hard to carry on a conversation with this game. I mostly feel exhausted of most things said and feel the need to move on and see if we win or if we have new information to work with. We all seem to mostly agree with 3/4 slots and find a few slots scummy.
No no, I'm saying that's who I would vote at the moment. Also I don't think I ever tried to slide onto the Co. I openly didn't want to be on it because of this exact reason that I was afraid of. Do you think both scum are on here or do you think I just made a gambit?
No no, I'm saying that's who I would vote at the moment.
Also I don't think I ever tried to slide onto the Co. I openly didn't want to be on it because of this exact reason that I was afraid of. Do you think both scum are on here or do you think I just made a gambit?
Oh okay, that makes sense.
I don't think it's too unlikely that you could make a gambit because of the level of 'general disruption' this game has suffered.
I mean, I guess you can make this assumption since I haven't played as scum before so I wouldn't know what scum me would do but uh, I don't think I'd do that. Honestly I'd probably try to get my partner in over myself like Pooky is trying to push. Although if that was the case I don't know why Pooky is pushing me here.
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Post #1553 (isolation #59) » Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:50 pm
Postby Clover Ebi »
In post 1550, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:If doing _____ causes you to become universally townread or gives you a lot of town-cred - then it doesn't make sense for you to say doing _______ means you're definitely not scum - that's kind of what scum want to do - become universally townread.
You're acting like the game is that black and white when really it isn't the case. Do you think my partner is inside the co or outside and if it's outside then who
but uh yeah coming home from a long day of work and seeing all this is pretty draining. I could probably do a few pages for now though.
