Micro 952 - The Coalition: ItGBSMoD [game over!]

[Datisi]

Vote count 1.40

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2020-07-07 13:00:00)

execution

Clover Ebi (2):

SleeperSoul, Wug

PookyTheMagicalBear (2):

Alduskkel, Clover Ebi

SleeperSoul (1):

Chemist1422

not voting (4):

DonCorleone, Deimos27, Klick, PookyTheMagicalBear

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[DonCorleone]

Independently of koba and bugspray I think chemist reads as town

[DonCorleone]

Oh fuck we only have a day left

[Klick]

If clover was town - why would he remove himself from contention? the move doesn't really make sense from either POV

Clover has already given his reasoning and while I don't think it's optimal, I think it's valid and conceivable that he wanted to do it as town.
Tl;dr seems to be that he didn't think he was townread enough and so he wanted to avoid muddying the waters by being a mostly null-read in the coalition.

Why am I getting the feeling that you really want Clover to be on the table as an option, more than you actually believe Clover is scum?

[Klick]

I also think Chemist's play is pretty town so far.

[Klick]

I will join a wagon on Sleeper or Pooky to get a lynch today. I'm trying to work out which I prefer.

[Chemist1422]

between SS bussing and Klick defending I think it makes more sense for SS to be bussing to set up a smooth endgame

I don't disagree but I think it just makes more sense for Clover to be town?

[DonCorleone]

Who said SS was town? Was it deimos?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I said SS was town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

between SS bussing and Klick defending I think it makes more sense for SS to be bussing to set up a smooth endgame

I don't disagree but I think it just makes more sense for Clover to be town?

sometimes scum play moves that don't make sense for exactly this reason

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Why am I getting the feeling that you really want Clover to be on the table as an option, more than you actually believe Clover is scum?

even if I didn't believe clover was scum I'd still be trying to break down your thought process to figure out whether this is a genuine conversation

[Klick]

Except that's not all you're doing. Looking at the last two pages and reading your posts, the vibe I get is at best 'Clover-skeptic'. That seems to be your main agenda at the moment, and not just in 1515. It doesn't quite add up with your unvote on Clover recently either.
I guess I'm mainly wondering what you're actually trying to achieve if it's not 'lightly push Clover as a lynch option'.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I've been a clover skeptic since Koba pushed him onto the coalition over DC

[Klick]

Tl;dr seems to be that he didn't think he was townread enough and so he wanted to avoid muddying the waters by being a mostly null-read in the coalition.

Regardless of how optimal this might be, can you see this as a plausible town thought process Pooky?
What do you think of the rest of my town case on Clover?

[Chemist1422]

between SS bussing and Klick defending I think it makes more sense for SS to be bussing to set up a smooth endgame

I don't disagree but I think it just makes more sense for Clover to be town?

sometimes scum play moves that don't make sense for exactly this reason

I guess

Doesn't make Clover a better kill than SS here though because I don't see any other Clover world happening

[Klick]

Does Clover read as the type of player who makes the nonsensical play in the position he was in?
'It's possible Clover made a Hail Mary' isn't very convincing to me

[Klick]

Especially in what would be his first scum game on site
And when the play he has represented in this game could not really be called 'aggressive play' by any stretch of the imagination

[Clover Ebi]

@Clover What do you like about Aldus?

No no, I'm saying that's who I would vote at the moment.

Also I don't think I ever tried to slide onto the Co. I openly didn't want to be on it because of this exact reason that I was afraid of. Do you think both scum are on here or do you think I just made a gambit?

Oh okay, that makes sense.

I don't think it's too unlikely that you could make a gambit because of the level of 'general disruption' this game has suffered.

I mean, I guess you can make this assumption since I haven't played as scum before so I wouldn't know what scum me would do but uh, I don't think I'd do that. Honestly I'd probably try to get my partner in over myself like Pooky is trying to push. Although if that was the case I don't know why Pooky is pushing me here.

[Clover Ebi]

I just think Pooky is probably the scum here, they didn't really put up a fuss with me going in and now suddenly I'm on the table.

[SleeperSoul]

This game is really a lot more confusing than I was expecting based on the setup. I don't know why pooky is so hesitant to accept that I was voting koba out of frustration. I wanna say that pings me as scummy, but I also want to say I'm super confused about this game overall.

I'm pretty sure pooky, chemist and klick are town, though. I wanna say pooky is town because when I did get my town read on him it was pretty strong, and I trust my gut reaction that it was a tvt between him and koba, even though his recent pressure on me rubs me the wrong way.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I just think Pooky is probably the scum here, they didn't really put up a fuss with me going in and now suddenly I'm on the table.

are you serious?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we even talked about this before I put you in - the only reason I included you was because everyone else was set on you being in and we were running out of time in Day 1

[Clover Ebi]

Also trying to say that scum would just do something for the sake of not making sense/bad scum play isn't really a good argument

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

. I don't know why pooky is so hesitant to accept that I was voting koba out of frustration. I wanna say that pings me as scummy,

Where did I say this? I think you have me confused with someone else here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Also trying to say that scum would just do something for the sake of not making sense/bad scum play isn't really a good argument

it makes exactly as much sense as saying "X isn't scum because X did this thing that Scum wouldn't do if Scum were X"