In post 1828, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Why do we think Porkens was bussing his partner Dunn as opposed to finding a lynchbaity town player that had the best chance of being mislynched?
In post 1020, votato wrote:Bob, i still scumread bm/clidd/pork. Just couldn't do much while the slot was vacant
Tato be a gem and explain why this slot is so universally scumread pls?
In post 1156, Porkens wrote:HOKAY!
I skimmed the shit out of the last 17 pages or so, as it’s getting late.
Here’s the deal:
The scumteam lies within geraintm, stungun, dunnstral, bob, and tato.
The push on GC that tato hopped on was literally pure garbage. Reads progression somehow becomes machinations. And despite the fact that GC fairly fought off the push, it keeps recurring. Stun and gerain both defend dunnstral. Bob has a TR on Dunn for some reason (also bob almost never expresses any reads, never commits). Gerain started playing and came in at a key moment, around 623
That being said, I have a real tinfoil hat read on an alternate universe team of DP, GC, and Malkittens.
Other stuff:
Farside, Crayons (ignoring my hat), notsci, and HK all read very town to me. I don’t see a universe where hk is scum.
Notmaf is being very notmaf.
So there you have it, you are welcome, I’m going to bed!
VOTE: dunnstrall
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looks like Porkens saw that he was on the chopping block, and made a case for a scum buddy to throw off the scent
tbf, I ran across my old posts talking about how Porkens' vote on Dunn looked made up
at the time I thought it was made up because he wanted the town to vote elsewhere to save himself from a town execution
now I'm thinking he was accepting his fate and was trying to throw the scent off from his buddy if Porkens flipped
In post 1156, Porkens wrote:HOKAY!
I skimmed the shit out of the last 17 pages or so, as it’s getting late.
Here’s the deal:
The scumteam lies within geraintm, stungun, dunnstral, bob, and tato.
The push on GC that tato hopped on was literally pure garbage. Reads progression somehow becomes machinations. And despite the fact that GC fairly fought off the push, it keeps recurring. Stun and gerain both defend dunnstral. Bob has a TR on Dunn for some reason (also bob almost never expresses any reads, never commits). Gerain started playing and came in at a key moment, around 623
That being said, I have a real tinfoil hat read on an alternate universe team of DP, GC, and Malkittens.
Other stuff:
Farside, Crayons (ignoring my hat), notsci, and HK all read very town to me. I don’t see a universe where hk is scum.
Notmaf is being very notmaf.
So there you have it, you are welcome, I’m going to bed!
VOTE: dunnstrall
In post 1156, Porkens wrote:HOKAY!
I skimmed the shit out of the last 17 pages or so, as it’s getting late.
Here’s the deal:
The scumteam lies within geraintm, stungun, dunnstral, bob, and tato.
The push on GC that tato hopped on was literally pure garbage. Reads progression somehow becomes machinations. And despite the fact that GC fairly fought off the push, it keeps recurring. Stun and gerain both defend dunnstral. Bob has a TR on Dunn for some reason (also bob almost never expresses any reads, never commits). Gerain started playing and came in at a key moment, around 623
That being said, I have a real tinfoil hat read on an alternate universe team of DP, GC, and Malkittens.
Other stuff:
Farside, Crayons (ignoring my hat), notsci, and HK all read very town to me. I don’t see a universe where hk is scum.
Notmaf is being very notmaf.
So there you have it, you are welcome, I’m going to bed!
In post 1172, stungun0404 wrote:And Mala's kinda right. It's time we start settling on a lynch, with 13 hours left in the day, and I don't think this day phase will go anywhere than Porkens, unfortunately.
Thus, VOTE: Porkens
Unless anyone has any reason to think this day phase could possibly lead to another lynch,
There is a 1 ONE vote difference between me and your biggest scumread but “unfortunately” that’s just insurmountable? Also, he says
Consolidate elsewhere, the idea that there can’t be any other lynch is false. Again, Dunn has 1 less vote than I do.
Lynching Dunn will tell us a lot. There are clear associativas. BM tarnishes this slot so badly what do you learn about anything? Keep me around you won’t regret it.
Did you actually say why Dunn is worth your vote here? I don’t think so.
Also tell me more about these “clear associatives” that would come with a Dunn flip.
Did you actually say why Dunn is worth your vote here? I don’t think so.
Also tell me more about these “clear associatives” that would come with a Dunn flip.
Dunn’s got a
very
good chance of flipping scum, and everyone has shared reads of him one way or the other, including a small group of defenders. That will tell us a lot.
I have a solid townread on HK and Dunn’s vote there is a safe non-starter, which I think he knows. His vote’s there, but he isn’t doing anything to make it happen, I’m guessing because he doesn’t really want to present an alternative to my mislynch, which seemed pretty certain after clidd ghosted.
Dunn’s commentary in 822 also rubs me the wrong way. He’s casting shade on GC (and tato) without actually challenging him. (I also TR GC. I can understand the scum read on BM, and even though it's wrong I read GC as scum hunting and the votes there really don't make much sense to me.)
Finally, he’s been active lurking and trolling all day.
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I'd be ok lynching votato, but it really won't tell us as much as Dunn.
Okay. I think you're scum.
I commend the pivot to hard reading me as town. I instinctively don't want to lynch someone who does that.
But I don't think this Dunn suspicion is natural. Dunn was tied for the second bw (with me, who also had 2 votes), and I think you decided to try to push and focus on Dunn because he already had some votes and he hasn't nearly been a pain in the ass like I have. I say that because I don't think your suspicions are legitimate.
For starters, you didn't give suspicions originally for your Dunn vote.
And now it comes down:
- to pushing a non-starter wagon on HK--but it's no more of a nonstarter than farside trying to vote GC, as stun is happy with both a HK and GC vote but nobody else is
- picking one post (that conveniently defends me) with an okay theory, but would need some plenty more work to be a banner case
- uses buzzwords "active lurking and trolling," neither of which I think are accurate; he hasn't beetlejuiced and he isn't a troll player
I'm also not convinced that Dunn gives us great associative tells any more than other players who have been the thread's topic of conversation. You're pretty nonspecific on that point, which I admit is generally NAI, but I would think that if this was legitimate point you would have *some* specific examples in mind.
In post 192, Battle Mage wrote:In other news, I've decided HK 50 is actually town, and figured out the most likely reason why Green Crayons voted Dunnstral. So that's something!
In post 228, Green Crayons wrote:^^^ I don't see how that makes farside town. It does strengthen Dunn being scum.
I felt the way I felt. I can't help my pings on players.
There should be more votes on Dunn too with your follow up spoilers post.
@NS: Who else are you suspicious of? I see a lot of filler coming from you but nothing stating a scum read. Or even following of anyone.
BM: Hey BM, how are you? Taking some lumps I see......would you mind voting Dunn and we can chat later about if you are scum or town and about play style later?
Thanks!!
Yep yep, usual fare!
I'm not so keen on Dunn
Maybe he's just not scum
Annie did tell me so
and scum is votato
I'm worried about this "play style" chat...are you gonna bash me too?
In post 94, Dunnstral wrote:I don't want you to apologize, I want you to die
This is the only Dunnstral post that really townpings me, although his general tone is definitely one of not giving a crap and being abrasive which is more common in town than scum I think. Should be easy to meta later when I have more time.
In post 94, Dunnstral wrote:I don't want you to apologize, I want you to die
This is the only Dunnstral post that really townpings me, although his general tone is definitely one of not giving a crap and being abrasive which is more common in town than scum I think. Should be easy to meta later when I have more time.
does anyone else see a contradiction here?
In post 355, Battle Mage wrote:re: 353 - you're definitely clutching at straws now dude.... there are some good reasons for lazyscum to vote me out there, but that?
In post 355, Battle Mage wrote:re: 353 - you're definitely clutching at straws now dude.... there are some good reasons for lazyscum to vote me out there, but that?
you say "im not keen on the dunn wagon, so im not gonna vote there"
and then "i have no real reason to think dunn is town"
yep, I can help you here:
1. I have 1 reason to think Dunn is town, and 0 reason to think Dunn is scum, therefore I townlean Dunn.
2. There is no 2.
In post 228, Green Crayons wrote:^^^ I don't see how that makes farside town. It does strengthen Dunn being scum.
I felt the way I felt. I can't help my pings on players.
There should be more votes on Dunn too with your follow up spoilers post.
@NS: Who else are you suspicious of? I see a lot of filler coming from you but nothing stating a scum read. Or even following of anyone.
BM: Hey BM, how are you? Taking some lumps I see......would you mind voting Dunn and we can chat later about if you are scum or town and about play style later?
Thanks!!
Yep yep, usual fare!
I'm not so keen on Dunn
Maybe he's just not scum
Annie did tell me so
and scum is votato
I'm worried about this "play style" chat...are you gonna bash me too?
Not a fun that 1 comment = town compared to his now lurking while votato takes pressure.
Your making me a sad puppy right now bm.
I'm sorry
I'll tell you what, if you join me in a righteous Green Crayons lynch today, we can lynch Dunnstral tomorrow. Pinky promise!
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So I thought that BM's first point where he asks me what my Dunn vote is all about suggested Dunn is town--BM-scum is looking for real reasons to vote Dunn.
But then he changes Dunn to being town.
And then votes votato over the tied bandwagon on Dunn.
And then has this weird way of explaining why Dunn is town.
And then promises farside a Dunn lynch in the future if they could just do a GC lynch.
And I saw Dunnstral playing completely different to this as scum.
Would scum meta each other to defend?
my goodness, maybe. i'm cringing just thinking of that possibility.[/quote]
"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).
In post 1765, maxwell wrote:expresses alarm that the counterwagons of the day all jumped to voting gera in 1549 but then walks it back in 1558.
I feel like this is more than enough reason to just vote HK 50
I'm totally fine with him as a potential elimination now I think. DoctorPepper's self-defense made no sense and pissed me off but if anything made me feel he's more likely to be town
In post 1828, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Why do we think Porkens was bussing his partner Dunn as opposed to finding a lynchbaity town player that had the best chance of being mislynched?
Pure guess-ery, porkens looked likely to go down day 1 and under that assumption he'd be trying to create non-associatives to help his partners. Of course, this is all just a big bag of WIFOM so do with it what you will. Dunnstral also hard defended that slot, the associatives for him aren't really any better. The one point in his favor is that he was the wagon opposing the wagon that put clidd to L-1 & it's somewhat hard to pick out a potential final partner for him from there.
Do I actually have to go over Dunnstral's interactions with the BM slot like I did for DoctorPepper and HK 50? I skipped out on it because I was pissed off, he isn't playing the game, and it looked like a foregone conclusion but now people are backing down and I feel like if I don't do the work, no one is.
No matter how high the stakes, sooner or later you're just gonna have to go with your gut.
And maybe, just maybe, that'll take you right where you were supposed to be.
In post 1792, maxwell wrote:Give me reason to think you can't be. Or don't, that's fine too.
(doctorpepper, irritatingly, is probably more likely town after our recent exchange)
The only reason to think I'm scum is wifom from the guy who looked like he was going down
Well at least you're no longer completely wrong:
In post 1705, Dunnstral wrote:Now they're back on me again because my read was wrong, or something to that effect
But you're still halfway wrong. My main suspicion is how BM treated you, not Porkens.
"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).
And for my next trick, I'll make these votes disappear
*meaningful stare*
*tear*
"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).
In post 1829, Green Crayons wrote:So I thought that BM's first point where he asks me what my Dunn vote is all about suggested Dunn is town--BM-scum is looking for real reasons to vote Dunn.
But then he changes Dunn to being town.
And then votes votato over the tied bandwagon on Dunn.
And then has this weird way of explaining why Dunn is town.
And then promises farside a Dunn lynch in the future if they could just do a GC lynch.
Maybe his buddies were already on dunn? or he was pocketing dunn?
I tend to think scum would have more coherent stances on their partners
tbh rereading this bit of BM's ISO, I'm not able to draw any confident conclusions from it
We're not supposed to talk about it and it's likely irrelevant to alignment anyway (I hate having to say this). I don't want a hammer without a claim, I wish the day weren't completely stalled otherwise.
Day 2 has begun and will end in (expired on 2020-07-08 08:05:34)
Currently searching for a replacement of HK 50.
DoctorPepper has been prodded and has (expired on 2020-07-08 14:52:02) before I search for a replacement.[/area]
God, didn't realize it was that little time left. Malakittens, Dunnstral and Not_Mafia need to move, those votes are not happening. Either of the two lead wagons needs to be the vote for today.
Also, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.
I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.
I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?
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