Mafia of Revelations ~ Game Over!
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CantHateAPuppy Mafia Scum
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no? because they've all been selected by vi
the fact that ABR and Porkens died makes me think the kills aren't random, because they look like the kills scum should have made all along. if vi is making kills on her own so that she can keep the game balanced, her first kills would have looked like scum kills IMO. but it's possible scum really tried to kill VPB or starbuck instead. ABR -> Porkens is too perfect to have been done by dice rolls IMO (this is when I decided my breadcrumb was wrong). IIAU looks like a pure Vi kill, I don't think scum targets someone in the POE, but FMPOV it doesn't matter since i know all the kills are Vi's selection
like, just so we're all clear, no one counterclaims a revelation with the second mechanic, right? everybody saw Vi confess that actions can target her, right?-
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Untrod Tripod Fat and Sassy
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it's odd that ABR would be the NK on night 1 and Porkens would be the NK on night 2 if the kills weren't dictated by the mafia
I'm really not sure what to think of this revelation. CLAP insisted that our trackers out themselves and all of their info first which all seems a little too convenient given that the revelation is hardly a slam dunk to be true. also, did CLAP ever claim a role?
PEdit: lol-
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I saw that, but:In post 2176, CantHateAPuppy wrote:everybody saw Vi confess that actions can target her, right?
Vi is not named in the player list.In post 0, Vi wrote:Everyone dies. That's not the worst part. Everyone grows old. In fact, things that aren't people grow old too. Legacies, for instance, disappear into history with little trace. But that usually happens while the person involved is still alive... which is why sometimes people fight back against time, and seek to achieve again.
Most of us are products of a time that has bleached beyond recovery - yet we have returned for another round, seeking what once was. The usual experience of people who try to do this is failure, frankly - because time has moved on and innovations have been made in the meanwhile. We, too, have changed.
The feats that etched us in history will not sustain us in this time, but will be excellent starting points. We must adapt to the world as it is now, where the rules are different, and redefine our legacies anew. So many years after our last victories and ready for more in a new environment, it is time for a Mafia game of Revelations.
For the first time in six years - cue mood music.
Tonight, We Are Young:
1) AGar
4) Blair
5) CantLynchAPuppy
7) Green Crayons
8) Hoopla
10) Kmd4390
11) Gammagooey(replacing Llamarble N1)
14) Starbuck
15) Untrod Tripod
16) VP Baltar
17) xRECKONERx
SHOT THROUGH THE HEART! and you're to blame:
3) Auro ---Mafia Tracker--- Sacrificed to Nollij Day 1!!!
2) Albert B. Rampage ---Vanilla Townie--- Rested in Rage Night 1.
6) farside22 ---Mafia Goon--- Sequentially Devoured by Snake Day 2!
13) Porkens ---Vanilla Townie--- Gave a Last Squeal Night 2.
12) chkflip---(replacing Morning Tweet D3)Vanilla Townie--- Given the Rotisserie Treatment Day 3.
9) iamausername ---Vanilla Townie--- theywerekilledhorribly Night 3.
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CantHateAPuppy Mafia Scum
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this is why i wanted agar to claim his N2 track: If TARGET VISITS X, and Agar says "X wasn't the kill," Agar would assume that TARGET was not scum making the kill. but if u know what i know TARGET could still be scum. so i compromised and asked just for who the visit was directed at, if it was starbuck or VPB i'd consider that highly sus
more broadly, trackers should claim before i did because my claim changes the meaning of all track claims. if you had been in my position, you'de have seen the same thing-
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Untrod Tripod Fat and Sassy
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we know scum gets a revelation. Vi sometimes changing their target seems like a revelation scum would get.
how does it change the meaning of their claims?CantLynchAPuppy wrote:more broadly, trackers should claim before i did because my claim changes the meaning of all track claims. if you had been in my position, you'de have seen the same thing
the only instance I can think of where I'd insist on all the town power roles outing themselves is if I was scum. if I knew Vi is the one making the kill, then I would say "I have a revelation that sometimes the scum kill is blocked and the mod slot makes a semi-random kill". no need to out all the town power for that.-
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Untrod Tripod Fat and Sassy
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I could also, from a design standpoint, see there being an x-shot mafia role in a game based around having trackers that fakes a shot for tracker purposes and then has the mafia assign the mod slot to make a kill. just spitballing.
I guess what I'm saying is that CLAP's actions around the revelation are highly sus and it's not like they were a shining beacon of towniness otherwise.-
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Wouldn't you claiming first and keeping trackers under wraps equally inform them that their information might be suspect or unreliable?In post 2179, CantHateAPuppy wrote:more broadly, trackers should claim before i did because my claim changes the meaning of all track claims.
I get what you're saying about trying to catch someone out targeting an early game NK choice, but seems like an imbalance in the information tradeYOUR AD HERE
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CantHateAPuppy Mafia Scum
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what town power? tracker results are screwed up because scum making the kill are blocked, and would therefore look to trackers as innocent results. the game is effectively vanilla
i didn't force all those trackers to claim either, so don't suggest that i pulled all these strings here only to reveal that it was all for nothing
pedit: the great puppy scum plan in 4 steps:
1) tracker claims puppy has never gone anywhere and hasn't made any kills
2) "woah, woah, woah, guys, we need all claims now because i have INFORMATION"
3) *nobody claims any guilty tracker results* Phew! got really lucky!
4) "actually your results clearing me are TOTALLY WORTHLESS, hehheheheheheh"
i guess Vi put 5 trackers in the game because this is a totally normal game with nothing unusual going on at all-
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Untrod Tripod Fat and Sassy
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it's almost as if the goal wasn't to provide information to the town to help us win the gameIn post 2182, VP Baltar wrote:
Wouldn't you claiming first and keeping trackers under wraps equally inform them that their information might be suspect or unreliable?In post 2179, CantHateAPuppy wrote:more broadly, trackers should claim before i did because my claim changes the meaning of all track claims.
I get what you're saying about trying to catch someone out targeting an early game NK choice, but seems like an imbalance in the information trade-
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CantHateAPuppy Mafia Scum
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yes. my information is more important, so i claim after everyone else. if i had claimed first, if scum was faking a tracker claim right now, they could change their claim easily to not give anything away. (this would have been clearer if anyone had claimed to have seen any visits, but it looks like we've just got trackers)In post 2182, VP Baltar wrote:
Wouldn't you claiming first and keeping trackers under wraps equally inform them that their information might be suspect or unreliable?In post 2179, CantHateAPuppy wrote:more broadly, trackers should claim before i did because my claim changes the meaning of all track claims.
I get what you're saying about trying to catch someone out targeting an early game NK choice, but seems like an imbalance in the information trade-
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like, you're just being silly. if i was scum i wouldn't share this revelation at all, i'd just let you track me to someone who wasn't the actual nightkill and claim some role that "proves" i couldn't be scum. the whole point of the setup is that there are too many trackers but a lot of their results are secretly useless, why would i out that to the town in exchange for track results i would know to be useless?-
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Blair Mafia Scum
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Hypothesis: Scum's revelation is that the town only has trackers.
Might explain why scum kept claiming VT. (Fake claiming any night actions in a game with a boat load of trackers is risky, and Auro was a real Tracker but didn't want to claim his role Day 1 because we didn't know about all the trackers yet and the first person to counterclaim him would have hammered him).“There is nothing so dangerous for anyone who has something to hide as conversation! A human being [...] cannot resist the opportunity to reveal himself and express his personality which conversation gives him. Every time he will give himself away.” -Hercule Poirot-
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This information was not worth literally any of your behavior since the kmd claim.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
Get to know me. Or don't. I won't tell you what to do. I'm not God. Or your father. Or your boss.-
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I saw IAAU had died and if I had tracked one of the other trackers to a kill (except maybe AGar but then I wouldn't have tracked him anyway) and they dicked around instead of claiming that they tracked the person who was killed I would want them very dead - I guess it gives Kmd a free claim but he already had multiple VT targets he could have faked too, maybe I should have claimed it and asked Kmd to claim before at least one of the other trackers but I suspected he tracked even if he was mafia - with Puppy's info I guess that's not as likely now.VP Baltar wrote: Gamma, why did you claim before kmd? Seems like making kmd go first would have been the right choice today. I assume you were trying to get ahead of an IAAU kill.
Also friends
If there's wacky mod bullshit happening, this seems at least worth a try:
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VOTE: Vi
If this is the one game where we get to cancel the mod, there is a 0% I'm catching myself off that wagon.“There is nothing so dangerous for anyone who has something to hide as conversation! A human being [...] cannot resist the opportunity to reveal himself and express his personality which conversation gives him. Every time he will give himself away.” -Hercule Poirot-
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I believe the revelation itself, but is there a reason you weren't worried that you'd just die last night? Like it'd be frankly mean of the mod to do it but if Vi thought you had hinted enough of the mechanic that we'd at least know to not 100% trust the tracker results and that mod bullshit might be involved I don't see a strong reason why Vi would rule out killing you, especially if that's who the mafia wanted dead.In post 2186, CantHateAPuppy wrote:like, you're just being silly. if i was scum i wouldn't share this revelation at all, i'd just let you track me to someone who wasn't the actual nightkill and claim some role that "proves" i couldn't be scum. the whole point of the setup is that there are too many trackers but a lot of their results are secretly useless, why would i out that to the town in exchange for track results i would know to be useless?-
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Blair Mafia Scum
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Something else we could all apply our collective brain power to: At the end of each Day Phase, there is a six-hour gap between when Vi locks the thread and when Vi posts the mod scene.
Day one I assumed Vi was just busy at the time of hammer or something but it's almost like clockwork. Could there be some sort of Twilight role that has to submit an action before the mod scene is posted?“There is nothing so dangerous for anyone who has something to hide as conversation! A human being [...] cannot resist the opportunity to reveal himself and express his personality which conversation gives him. Every time he will give himself away.” -Hercule Poirot-
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Blair Mafia Scum
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@Puppy- Does your revelation say thatViblocks the Mafia's submitted kill or that it justisblocked (passively)? In other words, based on the wording of your revelation, do you believe the submitted kills would still be blocked if we eliminated Vi?“There is nothing so dangerous for anyone who has something to hide as conversation! A human being [...] cannot resist the opportunity to reveal himself and express his personality which conversation gives him. Every time he will give himself away.” -Hercule Poirot-
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Vi would be lying to us:In post 2194, Blair wrote:Something else we could all apply our collective brain power to: At the end of each Day Phase, there is a six-hour gap between when Vi locks the thread and when Vi posts the mod scene.
Day one I assumed Vi was just busy at the time of hammer or something but it's almost like clockwork. Could there be some sort of Twilight role that has to submit an action before the mod scene is posted?"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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Green Crayons Jack of All Trades
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I might be reading too much into "nothing special," but a PR that activates only during twilight seems abnormal enough to be special."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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Blair Mafia Scum
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Could be a reporter or something? (What is "Mod picture box set to:" and why does it only appear at the end of day phases but not at the end of night phases?)“There is nothing so dangerous for anyone who has something to hide as conversation! A human being [...] cannot resist the opportunity to reveal himself and express his personality which conversation gives him. Every time he will give himself away.” -Hercule Poirot
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