Mafia of Revelations ~ Game Over!

[Green Crayons]

@Mod:

are you considered a "player" for this game?

[Blair]

Also, Vi gets off on a technicality here, because she can say "Twilight is over when the thread is locked."

[Green Crayons]

@Mod:

are you considered a "player" for this game?

Clarification: do the game mechanics or rules qualify you as a player?

[Vi]

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(Gammagooey, Blair, xRECKONERx)

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AGar,

(Blair,)

CantLynchAPuppy, Green Crayons, Hoopla, Kmd4390,

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Starbuck, Untrod Tripod, VP Baltar,

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Gammagooey, Blair, xRECKONERx

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(10 days left)

[CantHateAPuppy]

@Puppy

- Does your revelation say that

Vi

blocks the Mafia's submitted kill or that it just

is

blocked (passively)? In other words, based on the wording of your revelation, do you believe the submitted kills would still be blocked if we eliminated Vi?

without quoting directly: i think the scum kill is magically blocked, where the new kill is actively submitted by vi

i don't think lynching vi will do anything. my role implies that there is a way to stop the random nightkills, but i think they're good for town and i don't want to speculate on what would do it. (this is why i was worried scum might know something and didn't want to say too much)

[Green Crayons]

Also those tracker results are all highly suspect.

Which ones and why.

[Blair]

Could there be a town-aligned role that is submitting a new nightkill target to Vi before the mod scene is posted?

This would actually explain all of the nightkills.

Day 1: Before learning Auro was scum, submits the counterwagon (ABR)

Day 2: We were choosing between Porkens and Farside. Before learning that Farside was scum, submits Porkens.

Day 3: Before learning that chkflip was town, submits IAAU (this one doesn't really need explanation, IAAU was in PoE)

[CantHateAPuppy]

im skeptical that this is the case, but my revelation only says that the mod is making the kills, not the one selecting the kills, so i guess it's possible.

does scum who makes a kill and is blocked visit anyone? because this is pretty key to answering whether out tracker results are being smudged or not.

[Gammagooey]

Could there be a town-aligned role that is submitting a new nightkill target to Vi before the mod scene is posted?

This would actually explain all of the nightkills.

Day 1: Before learning Auro was scum, submits the counterwagon (ABR)

Day 2: We were choosing between Porkens and Farside. Before learning that Farside was scum, submits Porkens.

Day 3: Before learning that chkflip was town, submits IAAU (this one doesn't really need explanation, IAAU was in PoE)

I really, really, really doubt it - you realize that'd mean the game would be effectively a combined Double Day+Nightless 13vs4 with some extra 'power' thrown into the town by way of Starbuck and possibly ABR, right?

[Gammagooey]

also uh there would be a breaking strategy of 'they claim, we kill basically everyone in the game except them and maybe two other people and then yeet them last'

seems very bad

[Gammagooey]

I'm probably just going to read back through some decent chunks of the game either tonight or tomorrow with the assumption that all tracker results are useless

which is depressing but whaddya gonna do

[VP Baltar]

i think they're good for town

How so? Isn't the randomness what is neutering tracking power?

[xRECKONERx]

Also those tracker results are all highly suspect.

Which ones and why.

I mean, the chances of two trackers both tracking me and the other trackers tracking each other to form a perfect confirmation loop just seems way too serendipitous

[xRECKONERx]

@Mod: Would a player using an action that gets roleblocked be shown as visiting someone?

[CantHateAPuppy]

i think they're good for town

How so? Isn't the randomness what is neutering tracking power?

"random" kills are likely to kill in our POE. scum kills won't kill in our POE, and we don't know whether scum have any roles / revelations that would nerf trackers

[Untrod Tripod]

Also those tracker results are all highly suspect.

Which ones and why.

I mean, the chances of two trackers both tracking me and the other trackers tracking each other to form a perfect confirmation loop just seems way too serendipitous

they can't all be scum so... what's suspicious explanation assuming at least two are town?

[VP Baltar]

Reck, did I miss the extent of your revelation? For some reason I have it in my head that you had some info we don't know yet.

[Gammagooey]

Also those tracker results are all highly suspect.

Which ones and why.

I mean, the chances of two trackers both tracking me and the other trackers tracking each other to form a perfect confirmation loop just seems way too serendipitous

i uh

didn't track kmd

my tracking claim is a bit sketchier than that

[CantHateAPuppy]

fwiw i think gamma's sketchy claim actually partially clears him, because i don't think IIAU was the real scumkill, so gamma claiming a visit there would not be scum trying to cover up his visit. (this kinda thing is why i waited until the trackers claimed FYI). though i still don't like the way he held onto his claim yesterday fwiw

[CantHateAPuppy]

Agar: n1 Hoopla goes nowhere, n2 gamma visits UT, n3 reck goes nowhere
GC: n1 KMD goes to Puppy, n2 IIAU goes nowhere, n3 reck goes nowhere
KMD: n1 Puppy goes nowhere, n2 Hoopla goes nowhere, n3 gamma visits IIAU
gamma: n1 starbuck goes nowhere, n2 UT goes nowhere, n3 IIAU goes nowhere

but, also, agar did track gamma to UT n2, and i really really doubt UT was the intended scumkill when starbuck VPB and porkens were all alive

[Starbuck]

The cross tracking of each other is interesting. There's, at least, one confirmed track each night - GC confirms KMD N1, Agar confirms Gamma N2, and KMD confirms Gamma N3.

Agar and KMD both confirm Gamma.
GC and Gamma both have IIAU as a track.
Agar and KMD both have Hoopla as a track.
Agar and GC both track Reck on the same night.

I don't believe in coincidences, but I think we need to eliminate within the trackers today.

[Blair]

All the Trackers should explain why they tracked each of their targets.

[Gammagooey]

n2 and n3 I already explained, n1 Starbuck just seemed like a decent choice given the first 20 pages of d1 and the last several pages of it since I hadn't finished reading up yet.

[CantHateAPuppy]

also, did anyone leave any crumbs

[Gammagooey]

thank you friends

however, WAIT FOR CLAP AND IAAU in case they want to contribute to the tracker clusterfuck before we yeet (esp. considering that CLAP was KMD's claimed n1 track target)

but then yeah yeet away

also thanks for looking v. town in the last few pages UT I appreciate it

This was the only crumb I made for my UT track before I claimed it

If you read back through me and AGar talking when the Kmd claim landed around page 75 I feel like we were both very not subtle about what we were trying to get across though