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Post Post #3050 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:00 pm

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In post 3017, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 2998, maxwell wrote:Not sure why you'd say this or what you're expecting, exactly.
????

i mean...i just want life in this game. Why are you assuming that what I'm saying was sinister?
Was just strange because my one past experience with you was me churning out pure bullshit. Not going to be able to produce that volume here. Still need to finish ISOing but my reads on everyone are super low confidence because there seems to have been so little going on.

Anyway, tipsy can check rubicon and I can check gobble?
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Post Post #3051 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:02 pm

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sounds good 2 me
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Post Post #3052 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:08 pm

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Very interesting choice of NK, a Noble people were scumreading over a CO...
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Post Post #3053 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:50 pm

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Firebringer/Aristophanes weren't in the Capital. Fire moved to someone's castle.

Whoever's castle he moved into is extremely likely to be scum, as otherwise scum don't know which castle he's in and would have to take a guess - which is suboptimal compared to a CO kill.

The Noble who was housing Firebringer should claim.
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Post Post #3054 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:35 pm

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Do nobles know who is in their castle?
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Post Post #3055 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:45 pm

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Yes! We get informed every week. I wasn't housing Fire.
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Post Post #3056 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:08 pm

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well, that means it was either Dave or Pink so...
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Post Post #3057 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:22 am

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oh! interesting... dave or pink, want to admit to housing firebringer?
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Post Post #3058 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:42 am

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Firevringer was calling Pink Ball scum so I find it hard to believe he'd move to his castle.
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Post Post #3059 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:55 am

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He could've moved pre-PinkBall
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Post Post #3060 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:27 am

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In post 2624, davesaz wrote:Should I go bold and eliminate the need for a replacement?
I wanted opinions on FB for a reason. He seemed overly active compared to a couple town games this year, and I lightly scumread him as a result.
It would be so much easier if there were flips.
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Post Post #3061 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:55 am

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Uhhh
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Post Post #3062 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:34 am

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I was open about thinking FB was scum.
To be clear, I did not kill FB.
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Post Post #3063 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:44 am

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I know you didn't claim the kill. The existence of that post makes it harder to solve, hence "uhh"
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Post Post #3064 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:45 am

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Dave, if you were scum, can you detail what your mechanically optimum NK would be (regardless of dayplay)?
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Post Post #3065 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:10 am

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I did not kill Firebringer but I wish that I had. Watching that vicious bastard die gave me more relief than a thousand lying whores
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Post Post #3066 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:11 am

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I mean, he's conf town...
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Post Post #3067 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:11 am

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And Joffrey was the king of Westeros
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Post Post #3068 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:34 am

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In post 3064, Auro wrote:Dave, if you were scum, can you detail what your mechanically optimum NK would be (regardless of dayplay)?
Mechanically for me specifically? Or for someone in a particular role? It's kinda hard to detail in either case with mechanics this complicated. I think it could be helpful to think this through from a more general point of view but here's a quick take.

I'll summarize the relevant mechanics, since this was a mechanics based question.
Nobles can kill in their own castle and can be killed if their second is jailed or if they are in someone else's castle. (or by scum)
PB's can kill anyone by correctly guessing where they will be when the action resolves. They can be killed if in a noble's castle, if their location can be guessed, or by scum.
I don't know if scum have to know someone's location
CO's can't travel so their location is always known. They represent a risk to scum both by investigation and by enabling vigs by jailing seconds.

It should be fairly obvious that killing Fire/Ari last "night" would be a bad move for scum!me because I could have scumkilled someone else and then noble killed Fire/Ari if he didn't move. Surface level a PB makes the most sense to kill because the assassination vig is a serious threat to scum. A CO kill paradoxically reduces scum's future access (via coup) to CO actions that are beneficial to scum.
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Post Post #3069 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:36 am

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Can the scum kill be avoided? Don't know if anyone has taken the type of action that enables the evasion action for example.
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Post Post #3070 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:34 am

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ok but was he in ur castle?
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Post Post #3071 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:30 pm

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Yes he was, afaik.
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Post Post #3072 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:44 pm

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In post 3068, davesaz wrote:
In post 3064, Auro wrote:Dave, if you were scum, can you detail what your mechanically optimum NK would be (regardless of dayplay)?
Mechanically for me specifically? Or for someone in a particular role? It's kinda hard to detail in either case with mechanics this complicated. I think it could be helpful to think this through from a more general point of view but here's a quick take.

I'll summarize the relevant mechanics, since this was a mechanics based question.
Nobles can kill in their own castle and can be killed if their second is jailed or if they are in someone else's castle. (or by scum)
PB's can kill anyone by correctly guessing where they will be when the action resolves. They can be killed if in a noble's castle, if their location can be guessed, or by scum.
I don't know if scum have to know someone's location
CO's can't travel so their location is always known. They represent a risk to scum both by investigation and by enabling vigs by jailing seconds.

It should be fairly obvious that killing Fire/Ari last "night" would be a bad move for scum!me because I could have scumkilled someone else and then noble killed Fire/Ari if he didn't move. Surface level a PB makes the most sense to kill because the assassination vig is a serious threat to scum. A CO kill paradoxically reduces scum's future access (via coup) to CO actions that are beneficial to scum.
That last line seems like a great reason why votato is still alive.

So do why hand Dave or tipsy?
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Post Post #3073 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:44 pm

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*do we hang
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Post Post #3074 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:44 pm

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*excuse

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