Amazing that this is scum!indicative for me when I said it actively knowing it was more likely to get me killed today and I think you should know that I’m intelligent enough to know that’s the caseIn post 1429, Eevee wrote:i think Menalque arguing that both scum may even be bussing is very scum-indicative for him and feels like an agenda he needs to push as scum for a chance to win this game
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i'm actually curious of what you think the tell is now but i'll have to learn later
i dunno, i keep saying that i want more than a vca because it feels like a method that doesn't (or, in this game i guess hasn't?) taken into account anything beyond the when and where of vote placement. i get it's a vital thing to use but when people put their entire faith into it, it feels like there's not much that i can do to get them to look at everything else regarding the game.-
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I mean if you flip scum I’m definitely not telling youIn post 1451, Ydrasse wrote:i'm actually curious of what you think the tell is now but i'll have to learn later
If you flip town then I’m seeing if it’s broadly reliable for you over a few more games or not, and if it keeps being inconsistent (instead of this being a false positive) then I’ll tell you"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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I feel like there's an argument to be made that this^ is against the rule about harming your performance in the current game to gain an advantage in future games... (there is such a rule, right?)
Though this is neither the time nor the place to discuss that. It just annoys me because it encourages a culture of secrecy and competitiveness, like, beyond the scope of the game itself.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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That’s kind of the point, and it’s why I think your reaction is scum!indicative hereIn post 1451, Ydrasse wrote:but when people put their entire faith into it, it feels like there's not much that i can do to get them to look at everything else regarding the game.
VCA is annoying as scum because if it’s not extrapolated on it just gives people a guilty on you and if they won’t explain you can’t argue with that, so you’re just screwed more or less. I think that town!yiu would be more focussed on trying to identify scum even with a bad VCA on you to help in the case of a mis-guillo on you base on it
Or would just be like “well okay but ur VCA is wrong doe titus” whereas you seem very concerned about that an with being scumread generally, despite i think having not been /that/ at risk of it today given that eevee is probably the biggest town leader atm and wants to stay on the snow wagon. I can’t be because of my defense of mae yesterday, and titus is absent so she’s not leading"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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I don’t think not outing a tell on another player to allow you to reliably discern their alignment in the future is like a trust tell at all really and I think the idea of “you should always out your tells” is flawedIn post 1454, Something_Smart wrote:I feel like there's an argument to be made that this^ is against the rule about harming your performance in the current game to gain an advantage in future games... (there is such a rule, right?)
Though this is neither the time nor the place to discuss that. It just annoys me because it encourages a culture of secrecy and competitiveness, like, beyond the scope of the game itself.
At most I’m hurting myself very minutely here through not outing, but I doubt me outing it changed whether I get guillotined today or ydrasse does"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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i will simply never roll scum.In post 1453, Menalque wrote:
I mean if you flip scum I’m definitely not telling youIn post 1451, Ydrasse wrote:i'm actually curious of what you think the tell is now but i'll have to learn later
If you flip town then I’m seeing if it’s broadly reliable for you over a few more games or not, and if it keeps being inconsistent (instead of this being a false positive) then I’ll tell you
and regarding the vca stuff, honestly i'd be indignant as either alignment but it's worse this game because like... IF you are town and get mis-elimmed here, i am going to get rolled next for reasons that are objectively wrong and rigid. it just feels like there's nothing i can do either way except try to push where i think scum is and if i'm wrong, well, that effort is wasted despite my alignment because i voted at the wrong time or something.-
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Well yeah, you are only harming yourself if it actually benefits you to out it which would basically be if anyone wanted you to out it and thought they could evaluate either you or Ydrasse better as a result.In post 1456, Menalque wrote:I don’t think not outing a tell on another player to allow you to reliably discern their alignment in the future is like a trust tell at all really and I think the idea of “you should always out your tells” is flawed
At most I’m hurting myself very minutely here through not outing, but I doubt me outing it changed whether I get guillotined today or ydrasse does
If it's a meta tell, I, having no meta with Ydrasse, have no interest in it, since I have no way to judge its validity. But I suppose others might.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Right only if I’m right then so long as people listen to me and titus’ VCA it doesn’t matter if I keep the advantage for the future by not telling her what it is, because she still gets flipped tomorrow and town winsIn post 1459, Something_Smart wrote:
Well yeah, you are only harming yourself if it actually benefits you to out it which would basically be if anyone wanted you to out it and thought they could evaluate either you or Ydrasse better as a result.In post 1456, Menalque wrote:I don’t think not outing a tell on another player to allow you to reliably discern their alignment in the future is like a trust tell at all really and I think the idea of “you should always out your tells” is flawed
At most I’m hurting myself very minutely here through not outing, but I doubt me outing it changed whether I get guillotined today or ydrasse does
If it's a meta tell, I, having no meta with Ydrasse, have no interest in it, since I have no way to judge its validity. But I suppose others might.
Or if it’s right and we do guillo ydrasse today, then I also don’t need to out it because that’s happened anyway"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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Let it be said, I really do like you regardless of your alignment:)In post 1460, Ydrasse wrote:i thought i was supposed to be pocketing you too. i only have so much room here to hold all of you"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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Understood.In post 1461, Menalque wrote:Right only if I’m right then so long as people listen to me and titus’ VCA it doesn’t matter if I keep the advantage for the future by not telling her what it is, because she still gets flipped tomorrow and town winsIt's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Let it be said, I really do like you regardless of your alignment:)In post 1460, Ydrasse wrote:i thought i was supposed to be pocketing you too. i only have so much room here to hold all of you-
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Meh. I've got nothing on either one of you.
How confident are you in Ydrasse?It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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I'vetriedand everyone hates every wagon I pick“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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I mean I know that if I’m wrong then Eve is probably gonna deathtunnel me tomorrow so fmpov it’s win the game now or watch town probably lose in gylo
So pretty confident but I’d be lying if I said like 100% would blow your mind
I considered trying to swing eevee with a “listen final offer: vote ydrasse and if I’m wrong I’ll self vote tomorrow and spend the whole day prodging” but my heart wasn’t really in it because I’m not that sold she’s scum, she’s just my best bet. If she’s not I think it’s you or raya honestly"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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Well the options are currently me or ydrasse unless you wanna start another hero scum wagon but I don’t fancy your chances as today eevee is tunnelling me and not teh scums
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VOTE: YdrasseIt's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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I'll reread you and Ydrasse tomorrow, I pinky promise.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs
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