Why Gun?? - Town Win

[beeboy]

Day 1, VC 18

With 13 alive it takes 7 to execute.

norwegianboyee (6) -

jjh927, Tipsy, Keiji and Sara, Maxwell, Umlaut, Bell

Umlaut (4) -

Isis, Menalque, Morning Tweet, Datisi

Porkens (1) -

TripleHaven

TripleHaven (1) -

Porkens

Keiji and Sara (1) -

Norwegianboyee

Not Voting (0)

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pew pew pew

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-07-29 16:00:00)

Spoiler: Shots

Porkens	Menalque
NorwegianboyEE	Bell
Bell	NorwegianboyEE
Menalque	Tipsy
Tipsy	Menalque
jjh927	Norwegianboyee
Iconeum	Bell
Umlaut	Tipsy
Datisi	Tipsy
Morning Tweet	Tipsy
Isis	Iconeum
Maxwell	Porkens
TripleHaven	Menalque
Keiji and Sara	Isis

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[Datisi]

seems like it, but i'd like to see mena respond to my post first

pedit: lovely timing!
yes i get that it just doesn't ~*~feel~*~ good faith fore some reason
idk maybe i'm just drunk and tired

does me bringing up such bullshit point worry you

ppedit: more posts, the first bit was @haven, second @mena

[Menalque]

(1) I think it’s like the general vibe I get from your ISO? As in, you don’t seem to have a “give a fuck” attitude but you also don’t seem invested in the game, so I feel like it matters to you how you’re perceived but you’re not being like pro-actively solvey

I just don't see how you think I care how I'm perceived based on anything I've written. Point to it?

(2) Okay, I guess, I just feel like town!you generally has some more takes than what you’ve given so far and this reminds me more of scum!you in that newbie which brings me to

(3) i know you can effort as scum, but I also felt like in that game you generally didn’t until you needed to — like it was reactive tryharidng in response to the gamestate rather than tryharding as like unprompted. I also just don’t think you’re this passive as town

I had actual serious "reads" within hours of my replacing in to the game you're thinking of. I don't find making up reads very hard at all, my usual scum MO is to just build up large amounts of towncred by "doing stuff," and I can invite you to read pretty much any of my scum games to confirm that. That said, you also haven't seen me in games full of hyperposters which is where I'm at my worst because I see ten new pages and just go "ugggggggghhhhhhh" and put off reading them and don't want to try and post without having read them. (Probably that means I shouldn't have joined a short-deadline game at all but here I am and I'm not replacing out so I'm going to just hope I do better tomorrow)

(4) why would I need to push you as an easy push? Unless you want to argue that I’m scumpartners with either of porkens/norwee and I’m trying to keep the heat off them

I don't know man, why does scum ever push anyone in particular? Is there someone else you think you'd be advocating to execute if you were scum?

It’s like a general impression of your play so far today, I can probably pull posts tomorrow of where I think it is that you’re presenting in such a way that seems like it matters how you’re perceived.

***

Okay, yeah, that’s true that I haven’t seen you in game like this but I really didn’t find you convincingly town in that newbie and I don’t find you that way here other. Whereas I did in smugglers and you were town there. I don’t find your argument here very convincing or in line with what I have seen of your scumgame previously, but I suppose in fairness I ought to meta you further.

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I mean, tbf you probably are on the list of people I’d consider pushing as scum in order to save like porkens/norwee for a later day misguillo. But generally yeah, I think there’s like a plan to who scum are pushing (although it does depend) and I don’t think that’s present in my play. I actually think suggesting there isn’t a reason for scum pushes on particular people to be quite scummy because I think that’s a really common feature of most scumplay and idk why you’re discounting it or suggesting it’s not standard?

[Menalque]

yes i get that it just doesn't ~*~feel~*~ good faith fore some reason
idk maybe i'm just drunk and tired

does me bringing up such bullshit point worry you

Idk, okay? Why not?

And not really and I don’t know why

[TripleHaven]

yea actually, can we not maj
UNVOTE: norw

Why not?

This wasn't a rhetorical question btw, I'm curious why you don't want a majority execution.

Pretty sure this comes down to differing site meta.

On MU, we have set day/night cycles, so even if someone hammers like 12 hours before d1 ends it'll take that 12 hours + the regular amount of time it would take to get to the next day.

[TripleHaven]

i assume its different here tho, based off reactions to my post

[Tipsy]

VOTE: norwegianboyee

dead

[Datisi]

yes i get that it just doesn't ~*~feel~*~ good faith fore some reason
idk maybe i'm just drunk and tired

does me bringing up such bullshit point worry you

Idk, okay? Why not?

And not really and I don’t know why

i don't know either!!

how can it not worry you
that is this scumtisi masterminding the final misexecute in gylo
when isis was planting seeds of doubt earlier

(also i imagine this discussion seems ridiculous to anyone outside looking in and that amuses me)

[Morning Tweet]

"I'm paranoid of you. Doesn't that make you paranoid?"

"No, not particularly"

"Oh nO that just makes it worse!"

[Umlaut]

Okay, yeah, that’s true that I haven’t seen you in game like this but I really didn’t find you convincingly town in that newbie and I don’t find you that way here other. Whereas I did in smugglers and you were town there.

This is kind of why I find it suspect for you to be scumreading me here; you were able to pick me out as town in Smugglers' and the fact that you're doing the opposite here and starting a wagon on town!me goes against what I expect of you. I realize burden-of-proficiency isn't a great way to form a read but it pings me regardless.

[Datisi]

"I'm paranoid of you. Doesn't that make you paranoid?"

"No, not particularly"

"Oh nO that just makes it worse!"

his made me laugh out loud

thank you morning tweet

[Tipsy]

i said DEAD

[Isis]

(1) I don’t think me calling out the world where you’re scum has to interfere with us jamming unless you want it to?

this is a very Menalque sentence that makes me wish he had an anime avatar that was more carefully tuned to match his je ne sais quoi (though his current one seems moderately in the right direction)

Does this avi match my je ne sais quoi?

It does, even though I wish for colorful ones

[Isis]

I kind of don't think Norwee is scum because he is "trying to pocket me" but that doesn't make sense as a strategy for scum!him because my readrate has been good. I would expect him to want me misexiled early and if it doesn't happen factionally NKed. I don't think he'd expect pocketing to overpower my ability to decipher him.

At the same time I recognize some classically scummy elements of his play this game.

I'll sell my D2 and 3 shots to anyone who flips to Umlaut

[Isis]

I'm not really seeing anything in Umlaut iso that makes me feel like he'd be a mistake

[Menalque]

how can it not worry you
that is this scumtisi masterminding the final misexecute in gylo
when isis was planting seeds of doubt earlier

Who would be the final misguillo in gylo? Me?

If that’s the suggestion idk, it just doesn’t feel like you’re setting me up? Also that (1) I don’t think I’ve ever actually been the game losing misguillo as town and so I’m not like, super worried about that. I think I’m generally quite a hard target for scum to go after and when I have been misguillo’d it’s almost always been wrong town making the push, for good reasons or bad ones

Plus (2) I think I’m just less paranoid now in general since last game. Like I think I struggle with it when people expect me to have an amazing read rate on someone and I get really stressed about being correct. Having been wrong now (and quite spectacularly so) means I no longer have the pressure of ~being so great at reading datisi~ so I’m back to just trying to read you... which, low-key, may actually lead to my reads on you being >average again but we’ll see after this game I guess

[Isis]

This game uses dice rolls by the way so switching from Norwee to Umlaut would change the outcome, even though it wouldn't in a time stamp game.

The Umlaut voters are like a list of townies

I think it's pretty informational
Can I persuade anyone?

[Menalque]

Okay, yeah, that’s true that I haven’t seen you in game like this but I really didn’t find you convincingly town in that newbie and I don’t find you that way here other. Whereas I did in smugglers and you were town there.

This is kind of why I find it suspect for you to be scumreading me here; you were able to pick me out as town in Smugglers' and the fact that you're doing the opposite here and starting a wagon on town!me goes against what I expect of you. I realize burden-of-proficiency isn't a great way to form a read but it pings me regardless.

I think BoP is actually generally a very fair way to read me and if you are town then suspecting me for being wrong on you here is reasonable. I’m still not swayed by what I’ve seen from you so far, but if you don’t flip today then we can talk about it tomorrow and we’ll see where my read goes from there

[Menalque]

i said DEAD

I really love a good fake hammer but it kinda doesn’t work when the VC is literally at the top of the page you try it on

[Datisi]

may actually lead to my reads on you being >average again

*cough* what do you mean """again""" *cough*

[Isis]

I think Tipsy was fake fake hammering, it's on brand for them

[Isis]

H3 vote Umlaut please

[Menalque]

may actually lead to my reads on you being >average again

*cough* what do you mean """again""" *cough*

I used to be able to read you, must we go into this again

[Datisi]

idk the way mena is speaking here reminds me of like furret2/jk9++ when i was like "whoa this feels fake af" but then he was town
i wish i knew how to play this game

The Umlaut voters are like a list of townies

am i now a townie

ok that's all i cared about getting in in this day phase

pedit WHEN MENA
WHEN

[Datisi]

IN AUTUMNAL???