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Open 785: Secrets of the Anuket Topaz [Game over!]
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If I'm interpreting that post correctly, the wagons at the time were HoldenGolden (replaced by Montosh, who just flipped town) and RCE himself. So from town!RCE's perspective he does know that.In post 1698, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:
It appears that RCEnigma has forgotten we don't know if attention was diverted from two competing town wagons.In post 1681, RCEnigma wrote:Again, with Fredrick's observation on the day 1 wagons in mind, Ydrasse diverted attention from competing town wagons in favor of Raya (who should be in the poe). You kind of have to make a leap in assuming my alignment to get there since you're all slots that aren't me.
The only time ydrasse broke character (townreading Montosh) was when Montosh was already pretty much sentenced to death.
Here comes the shade... Off the back of the second menalque led wagon on town.-
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Holden/my wagon is what I'm referring to and I highlighted you had to make a judgement call on my alignment to get to where my headspace is regarding ydrasse.In post 1698, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:
It appears that RCEnigma has forgotten we don't know if attention was diverted from two competing town wagons.In post 1681, RCEnigma wrote:Again, with Fredrick's observation on the day 1 wagons in mind, Ydrasse diverted attention from competing town wagons in favor of Raya (who should be in the poe). You kind of have to make a leap in assuming my alignment to get there since you're all slots that aren't me.
The only time ydrasse broke character (townreading Montosh) was when Montosh was already pretty much sentenced to death.
Here comes the shade... Off the back of the second menalque led wagon on town.
If ydrasse is scum what was she doing wagoning Raya with me over joining either town wagon. What was A50 doing hard defending me and townreading Holden as the competing wagon?
Scum play bad all the time is such a cop out answer to excuse bias.-
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Fredrick A Campbell AnyMafia ScumAny
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From what I've observed, Ydrasse has shown herself to be oblivious to how many votes are on a wagon, so, she could have very likely not noticed the Snowblaze wagon since there was no votecount throughout all of what I have described. I don't have the time to think this through right now, though, as my dad is calling me to dinner.In post 1702, RCEnigma wrote:
Holden/my wagon is what I'm referring to and I highlighted you had to make a judgement call on my alignment to get to where my headspace is regarding ydrasse.In post 1698, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:
It appears that RCEnigma has forgotten we don't know if attention was diverted from two competing town wagons.In post 1681, RCEnigma wrote:Again, with Fredrick's observation on the day 1 wagons in mind, Ydrasse diverted attention from competing town wagons in favor of Raya (who should be in the poe). You kind of have to make a leap in assuming my alignment to get there since you're all slots that aren't me.
The only time ydrasse broke character (townreading Montosh) was when Montosh was already pretty much sentenced to death.
Here comes the shade... Off the back of the second menalque led wagon on town.
If ydrasse is scum what was she doing wagoning Raya with me over joining either town wagon. What was A50 doing hard defending me and townreading Holden as the competing wagon?
Scum play bad all the time is such a cop out answer to excuse bias.-
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I think he didn’t play D2 because it would give him enough cred to try and come for my today. If he’s committed to me being scum, he should have been on me hard yesterday, not just passively sitting there
But I had a very townie D2 and that made it difficult. Given that I was wrong again D2, he thinks he can win the 1v1 today (or just generally get me flipped easily if I don’t go after him)"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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But also, I don’t care that much at this point. I get A50’s point about it being frustrating to effort and be mis-guillotined anyway. I don’t think I could have had a townier D2, really. I think I did several things that I specifically don’t do as scum and I think I made plays that don’t make any sense coming from me as scum. I’m annoyed with eve for still wanting me flipped on the basis of that, and because her read on me seems to be some combination of “mena push town D1” + paranoia about my scumgame (which is good, but not good enough for this to be an example of it)
And I also would prefer to lose to A50 than to RCE"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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There was no Snowblaze wagon at this point. I led with 4 votes to 3 on Holden. Ydrasse voted Raya with me at that point.In post 1704, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:
From what I've observed, Ydrasse has shown herself to be oblivious to how many votes are on a wagon, so, she could have very likely not noticed the Snowblaze wagon since there was no votecount throughout all of what I have described. I don't have the time to think this through right now, though, as my dad is calling me to dinner.In post 1702, RCEnigma wrote:
Holden/my wagon is what I'm referring to and I highlighted you had to make a judgement call on my alignment to get to where my headspace is regarding ydrasse.In post 1698, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:
It appears that RCEnigma has forgotten we don't know if attention was diverted from two competing town wagons.In post 1681, RCEnigma wrote:Again, with Fredrick's observation on the day 1 wagons in mind, Ydrasse diverted attention from competing town wagons in favor of Raya (who should be in the poe). You kind of have to make a leap in assuming my alignment to get there since you're all slots that aren't me.
The only time ydrasse broke character (townreading Montosh) was when Montosh was already pretty much sentenced to death.
Here comes the shade... Off the back of the second menalque led wagon on town.
If ydrasse is scum what was she doing wagoning Raya with me over joining either town wagon. What was A50 doing hard defending me and townreading Holden as the competing wagon?
Scum play bad all the time is such a cop out answer to excuse bias.-
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I fundamentally don’t think I can look any townier than I already do at this point, and if that’s not towny enough then this is probably a lost game and I’m making my peace with that
I’d self again only I guarantee that the same town who vote me today are the ones who will be going “OH MY GOD can you BELIEVE that mena would SELF VOTE as town that’s such an ANTITOWN play his behaviour is so UNACCEPTABLE” despite them not being willing to approach me today with an honest assessment of my play so far
Maybe I’m overreacting but this is basically what I called would happen yesterday when I said “if you think you’ll have major doubts about me going on, remove me today and get my flip”. I just think that everyone who’s town bar titus seems to have relaxed on their TR on me, and I think that the other unconfirmed town will sheep that, and the unconfirmed scum are going to behave like vultures"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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Because now he was the lead pusher of 2 town miseliminations. That's really really bad.In post 1696, Eevee wrote:yesterday you townread him and would go for anything else so why the change of heart?
maybe i need to host another play to motivate everyone
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I do still have a layer of wifom in my head where I'm wondering if scum would be so obvious but I don't think Menalque can get a pass anymore after doing it twice and I'm gonna be very mad at myself if he is scum and we let him live after that.-
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Just accidentally deleted half the wallpost I was working on. Yay.
I guess I can give you the tl;dr, which is that I was trying to rule out as many teams as possible. Here are those I think are highly unlikely, based mostly on the events of day two:
S_S/Ydrasse
Menalque/Ydrasse
Menalque/A50
Menalque/RCE
Ydrasse/A50
Raya/A50
(Menalque/Raya as well based on today's events so far, but observe that carefully just in case)
So apparently I'm now townreading Menalque based purely on the lack of possible scum!Menalque partners. I... think I'm okay with that.
Why does scum!Menalque try to start a flashwagon yesterday, knowing that if it succeeds he'll end up looking terrible for leading multiple town wagons? He's not trying to protect a scum partner, because I've already ruled out Menalque/A50. Unless anyone does think Menalque/A50 is plausible?
(There is, of course, the "because people will townread me for doing things scum wouldn't do because they're aware of how suspicious it looks", but then we're getting into WIFOM and I don't really want to go down that route.)-
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Ydrassee may have just been imitating what I was doing at that point. That's the end of the answer to your question. The following are more observations.In post 1707, RCEnigma wrote:
There was no Snowblaze wagon at this point. I led with 4 votes to 3 on Holden. Ydrasse voted Raya with me at that point.In post 1704, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:
From what I've observed, Ydrasse has shown herself to be oblivious to how many votes are on a wagon, so, she could have very likely not noticed the Snowblaze wagon since there was no votecount throughout all of what I have described. I don't have the time to think this through right now, though, as my dad is calling me to dinner.In post 1702, RCEnigma wrote:
Holden/my wagon is what I'm referring to and I highlighted you had to make a judgement call on my alignment to get to where my headspace is regarding ydrasse.In post 1698, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:
It appears that RCEnigma has forgotten we don't know if attention was diverted from two competing town wagons.In post 1681, RCEnigma wrote:Again, with Fredrick's observation on the day 1 wagons in mind, Ydrasse diverted attention from competing town wagons in favor of Raya (who should be in the poe). You kind of have to make a leap in assuming my alignment to get there since you're all slots that aren't me.
The only time ydrasse broke character (townreading Montosh) was when Montosh was already pretty much sentenced to death.
Here comes the shade... Off the back of the second menalque led wagon on town.
If ydrasse is scum what was she doing wagoning Raya with me over joining either town wagon. What was A50 doing hard defending me and townreading Holden as the competing wagon?
Scum play bad all the time is such a cop out answer to excuse bias.
Ydrasse decided to vote for Snowblaze later on. Keep in mind that right before the vote switch, the votes were:
RCEnigma (4) -Snowblaze (415), Menalque (433), Mohab500 (502), Eevee (533)
Snowblaze (3) - HoldenGolden (511), Fredrick A Campbell (522), Menalque (532)
Raya36 (2) - RCEnigma (497), Ydrasse (552)
HoldenGolden (1) - Raya36 (495)-
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We flashwagoned away from Ydrasse. That was the mistake yesterday. I plan on staying on that until forever unless someone cases him town. I will be grudgingly vote A50 to save a TR.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Ydrasse She*twirls hair*
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Ydrasse She*twirls hair*
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Ydrasse She*twirls hair*
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It’s lowkey kinda scummy to be shading me for the montosh wagon when it was literally me and A50 + every conftown in the gameIn post 1721, Ydrasse wrote:can we like actually vote in a50/mena today though
the two people who have been on one attempted and one successful town elimination?"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."
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