A warlock, a werewolf, and a vampire... [Game Over]

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VoteCount 1.2

Gentleman 9 - Lady 3 [1] - Lady 5
Gentleman 5 - Lady 8 [0] -
Gentleman 1 - Lady 7 [0] -
Gentleman 8 - Lady 5 [1] - Gentleman 8
Gentleman 3 - Lady 6 [2] - Lady 1, Gentleman 9
Gentleman 6 - Lady 1 [1] - Lady 7
Gentleman 4 - Lady 2 [3] - Lady 4, Gentleman 2, Lady 6
Gentleman 2 - Lady 4 [1] - Lady 3

Not Voting [7]

- Gentleman 1, Gentleman 3, Gentleman 4, Gentleman 6, Lady 2, Lady 8, Gentleman 5

With 16 alive it takes 9 votes to execute

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Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-08-11 14:34:47)

[Lady 7]

@Lady 6

I am having trouble figuring out if G9 is someone I fundamentally disagree with as a player rather then him actually being scum.

But he is pushing this pairing thing which feels to some level inconsistent but he is explaining it in a way where I wouldn't be that suprised if he believed what he was saying even if I think it's wrong.

But he was also the fastest pair in the game while making this argument. Idk I feel a level of inconsistency throughout his posts that I just don't like. He was also playing rather tactically around the 1 flipped scum although that could have been a mistake I guess.

But he is also playing in such a way that makes me think he could just be a really weird player.


My internet stopped working and I wanted to post this 10 minutes ago. But G9 is a pretty important read for me right now.

[Lady 7]

I guess I feel as though I have enough information to solve G9 but for some reason I am not actually certain he is scum?
And I certainly don't town read anything.

[Gentleman 9]

^ i will respond to this, but " But G9 is a pretty important read for me right now." why is this true - does your read on me correlate to your read on others/state of the game?

[Lady 7]

I feel like if I have enough info to solve someone. Then I should use my time and energy in order to do so.

It has more to do with me as a player then anything to do with the game.

[Lady 6]

I am having trouble figuring out if G9 is someone I fundamentally disagree with as a player rather then him actually being scum.

Yeah I'm sort of arriving at the conclusion this might be the case

however, I don't know why G9 thought L3 was someone he would be able to sort well given that's his motivation behind pairings

[Lady 6]

like I'm half between "G9 is just throwing shit around to see what sticks" this game and "he's just an inconsistent town player that I happen to fundamentally disagree with"

[Gentleman 4]

VOTE: Lady 2/Gentleman 4

You shouldn't vote me just because you seem to have trouble reading me. Your progression on me has been relatively static from somewhat townie to just null, and I'm not sure it's a good idea to keep it that way.
Catching up for real now.

[Lady 6]

what do you believe are some good reasons for town reading you?

[Gentleman 4]

what do you believe are some good reasons for town reading you?

Idk. I don't think I would have played this way as scum though. I probably try to pocket people more to try to secure endgame position. I also think I would have pushed to be your partner more aggressively because you were/are townread more than L2(idk if that's the case now). You can also look at my interactions with G7. I feel like I was more in the middle with him because I was thinking his behavior was somewhat townie, but I also was trying to not rush the pairing between G7/L4. As wolf, I probably either hard bus or hard push him to be paired(and then use the logic that wolf wouldn't defend that hard).

[Lady 6]

What made you choose L2 over me?

I know I ended up expressing interest in someone else, but you'd started expressing interest in L2 before then.

[Gentleman 4]

Hm that is true that I was interested in L2 early on too. I think this was the same reason for you that I was getting gut town vibes. I would say I was preferring both of you equally until you went with G3.
Why did you ask that question? Do you think there's a reason scum me chooses L2 over you?

[Lady 3]

I feel the same way about plans like this, by simply disregarding scum reads and going after pairs we think "just aren't going to end game" and being complacent with the flips

It's not pairs that just aren't going to end game, it's pairs most likely to produce a redflip to work with because they have two halves that feel like they can flip scum instead of one. Human reads are bad and human reads that feel really better than other reads are actually only slightly better so two scumreads ideally or a scumread and a nullread have a quantity that outweighs the quality of an intense scumread. And "ignoring the intensity" of a scumread doesn't impact associative play that much, you'll be looking at the votes and what was actually caused to flip. If anything forcing players to discuss both halves is really good because bussing a scumpartner with a bunch of truth telling probably looks more authentic than shade on the town half

[Gentleman 8]

Lady 3 I have a specific concern I am choosing not to elaborate on right now.

when would be an appropriate time for you to elaborate on this?

[Lady 3]

They need to make a version of this dance where you can just pair with the people you like and somehow aren't advantaged by pairing with townread people.

It'd be more fun.

I don't know how you make it like that.
But also I guess all of you did that anyway.
Except maybe like, G3.sherlock?

[Lady 3]

Would it be wrong to wield leave-blackmail and become a doublevoter

[Gentleman 4]

I think this is suspicious, because Lady 2 does not want to end up with Gent 7 (because they will both end up dead, very likely), yet still potentially wants Gent 7 to pair with somebody else, so she needs to pair up at that moment, while trying not to look too hasty by "giving people time to object".

I don't really see where you got the idea that she was angling for a G7 save. I don't even get why you think L2 is scummy based on interactions with G7. They seemed clean to me.

I'm agreeing that the action of L4 leaving behind G7 is NAI, but I do believe the approach in which she did it could be significant. However, I looked back at her iso and thoughts about G7 and it doesn't point be in either direction.

I like her rationale towards trusting Gent 4, as town that's something that would probably be at the top of her mind.

As scum, you are looking to set up you and your partner for endgame and I would expect you to be vocal about townreading your parnter(or setting yourself up with a townie partner), so this is NAI to me.

Null, I'm going to need to see more

I can see the null town side because G1 seems to have a curious mindset of trying to understand the game. Agree that we need to see more though.

VOTE: G4-L2

He'd be really stupid to do something like that and I just scumread other people more than him.

Stupid to do what? Push you? If you're town, your pairing is probably a juicy target for wolves(assuming G6 town), so this isn't true. He wasn't even tunneling you either...

G2.Chad never chooses to not defend himself, because framing someone serves no function.
So by giving up when he flipped scum it basically confirms G7 as mafia.

I don't get this.

I still see G2 as a null slot, and it will continue as long as he plays like this. Maybe the play is because of his fear of mainslipping, but I still don't really like it. I do like L6's read on G2 because it seems to be the narrative read that I sometimes like to use. I'm not sure the effectiveness of it though. I think my read on G3 is that I want him to be scum, but he's probably town. This makes me like the G3/L6 pairing, but we have to proceed with caution. I'm feeling L4 town right now too.
I'm willing to reconsider my townread on G9, and will be taking a look at his posts soonish.

and his arguments aren't actually all that towny outside of just being aggressive

This might be a good point.

I think the two slots I want to see flip the most right now are Gentleman 4 and Gentleman 9

Is it just because you are having trouble reading me?

Both Lady 1 and Gent 6 have expressed that they are probably not making it to the end of the dance

This isn't townie though.

I mean for all your saying you are excited to sort ghosty 8, isn't 1 day of PT access that you reached the conclusion she is town premature?

Why is this not just excited town conf biasing their partner as town? I don't see this as scummy yet.

I feel the same way about plans like this, by simply disregarding scum reads and going after pairs we think "just aren't going to end game" and being complacent with the flips.

Yes, I agree. Especially about the accountability part because I feel like having a scumread flip town makes you more inclined to reconsider rather than having nullreads flip town.

The incredibly casual disregard of the offer makes me think she is likely to be town and was being brought into something.

Good point for L6 town.

wanting a partner that you can work well with is much more important for scum players than town players, that's why I thought you insistence on it is scum indicative

Then what's important for town players??

[Gentleman 8]

That's why this pair is doomed to fail cause as soon as she even turns to mildly townreading me I'll start to get sus.

to be clear, is this a serious thought?

[Lady 4]

You think Lady 2 + Gent 4 is still our best vote?

Yes

I have a pretty decent townbin and scumbin this is nice

Can you make a visual representation of this using tiers?
I can make you another shitty read pyramid if you'd like but it would mostly be unchanged and honestly after sending it to Nagito my response to my own list was. "holy shit this is bad"

Yeah in a bit

It's possible Lady 4 is scum and I don't mind getting to leave this game so I can return to my original account. I just kind of feel bad because she said she didn't want to leave so soon when she noted she would have to pair with G7 or me.

Can you not yet

I'm just gonna sit on the only pair I feel some amount of confidence in even if no one will join me
VOTE: Gent 3/Lady 6
pedit: Okay

I actually would vote on this but I feel stronger elsewhere

[Lady 4]

If a G9/L3 wagon revs up I'll be all over that too

[Lady 7]

VOTE: Gent 9

I actually feel half as good about this as I used to.
But he isn't being inconsistent with what he thinks is optimal play.
He is being inconsistent with what he believes scum would want to do :\

[Lady 7]

I think you can be a hypocrite in regards of what you think you should do and what you actually do.
Because sometimes what you believe is a wrong action can "feel right" at the moment.

I just don't see how this logic can also apply to something you believe is a scum tell.

[Lady 3]

But I wanna plaaaaay

[Lady 4]

So why is my pair being voted? I'm pretty sure you can look at me telling you guys to let G2 talk as a positive for not being scum with G7.

I missed this post, found it while ISOing G4
This sucks

Like bussing scum trying to reap the towncred from their bus

I can see how you think of it like that. I was just pointing out something I did that makes it unlikely for me to be scum with G7. Tbh, I don’t think I would ever post something like that as scum because it is just obviously scummy. If I was scum, I’d at least wait a little longer to see if more votes piled on or if our wagon died to say such a thing.
Will check up on everything else later. 2122 is a good post!

This just leads to WIFOM though

Because I’m more uneasy with one than the other in each of your pairs — I think you’re kinda of towny, but I don’t really feel that G4 is

I think G2 is sort of townie, but not L4

I’d be fine getting rid of G4/L4 currently but I’m not fine with ditching you or G2

This is a stupid approach to the game
If you SR one person in a pair then push it. If there's scum there we have to kill it eventually.

[Lady 4]

I think I might know who G4 is and they might just be really awkward town