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[Iconeum]

how's it an omgus?

go read what it is he is scumreading me on, and then apply it to what i'm actually doing and tell me how i'm doing what he says i'm doing

[Iconeum]

So you're OMGUSing then.VOTE: Iconeum

also, for the sake of argument, why are you voting me for omgus'ing?

ur acting like OMGUS'ing is a scumtrait

[NoPowerOverMe]

how's it an omgus?

go read what it is he is scumreading me on, and then apply it to what i'm actually doing and tell me how i'm doing what he says i'm doing

Because he said why he thought what you did was scummy, and you are complaining about being attacked.

[NoPowerOverMe]

OMGUSing is a scumtrait. If it wasn't people would just continuously attack those attacking them.

[Iconeum]

how's it an omgus?

go read what it is he is scumreading me on, and then apply it to what i'm actually doing and tell me how i'm doing what he says i'm doing

Because he said why he thought what you did was scummy, and you are complaining about being attacked.

OMGUSing is a scumtrait. If it wasn't people would just continuously attack those attacking them.

1) town are just as eager to omgus as scum. it's not an AI thing, it's a human thing.

2) i'm not attacking him because i'm being attacked by him, but

because i'm doing things opposite of what he's accusing me of

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[NoPowerOverMe]

In your opinion.

[Iconeum]

In your opinion.

i mean, its not an opinion.

i'll make a bigger post in a few minutes showcasing this, and we can talk about it

[NoPowerOverMe]

I think you're doing to much talking and not enough listening, Iconeum. Maybe you need to consider others opinions a bit more.

[Iconeum]

I think you're doing to much talking and not enough listening, Iconeum. Maybe you need to consider others opinions a bit more.

that's fair enough

would you like to go over what i think are wrong accusations aimed at me?

it's the reason why i'm so aggitated right now (i get like that when i feel wrongfully accused of stuff)

[NoPowerOverMe]

I think you're doing to much talking and not enough listening, Iconeum. Maybe you need to consider others opinions a bit more.

that's fair enough

would you like to go over what i think are wrong accusations aimed at me?

it's the reason why i'm so aggitated right now (i get like that when i feel wrongfully accused of stuff)

Not at the moment, I have stuff I need to do.

[Iconeum]

VPB/Andres/NPOW

1 scum

VPB with the very strange scumread on me, which is in straight contradiction with reasons provided by him
Andres, with the huge fencesit opening
NPOW for reasons stated earlier and general interaction with me

[Datisi]

datisti

i'm not a master at reading ico. i was just pointing out that your reasoning for thinking i'm town (me making a point about ico's certainty) might not be true (i don't think he's scum right now) - so i'm wondering how that knowledge affects your read on me.

what do u think about ico going hard in on a townread from the very beginning
in particular like 'townslip' is very charged rhetoric

i think it is Okay
i disagree on it being a townslip but i don't think giving Hard Townreads that early is scum!indicative so

@ico are you townreading me yet

[Datisi]

@nopoweroverme, talk to me about baltar and andres? where's your head at on those 2 slots.

[Iconeum]

@ico are you townreading me yet

ur very much a null right now

[Datisi]

do you still think bailey townslipped or were you confusing townslip/towntell?

[Iconeum]

do you still think bailey townslipped or were you confusing

townslip

/towntell?

i used the word townslip but i think you knew what i was getting at

the way he made that post was from an Obvious townie perspective and it's still weird that NPOW scumread GB despite that post

[Raya36]

Official Vote Count 1.03

Cephalocereus senilis "Old Man Cactus"

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Elimination

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate someone.

hellbooks

(1): GeorgeBailey

George Bailey

(2): Snowblaze, hellbooks

NoPowerOverMe

(1): Alduskkel

Billy Pilgrim

(2): JamSV, Testarossa

Iconeum

(3): VP Baltar, Andresvmb, NoPowerOverMe

JamSV

(1): Billy Pilgrim

Andresvmb

(2): Datisi, Iconeum

Not Voting

(1): jankofan

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-08-13 23:15:00).

Mod notes:

jankofan has reported technical difficulties with posting. This is currently being looked into.[/area]

[NoPowerOverMe]

@nopoweroverme, talk to me about baltar and andres? where's your head at on those 2 slots.

I'm null on VP. I appreciate that he can see that wanting to scumhunt isn't a scumtrait, and that prodding players for reads is a form of scumhunting, but then he seems to do a 180 because he thinks I shouldn't want to tell other players where I stand on my intentions to vote. There's a difference between thinking about voting and actually wanting to vote, and there's nothing wrong with communicating that.

the way he made that post was from an Obvious townie perspective and it's still weird that NPOW scumread GB despite that post

Not obvious town perspective to me. Especially not from the first post of the game. A lot more troublesome was your overreaction to my prodding him than anything that I or GB did, in my opinion. If you're town you shouldn't have any concrete information on his alignment, but it looks like you did based on your reaction.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I see Andres as town it looks like we are coming from a similar mental place as far as reads.

[Datisi]

it's like... the more nopoweroverme posts, the more i disagree with him, but also the more i think his posts come from a genuine place of wanting to solve the game?

[Iconeum]

Not obvious town perspective to me. Especially not from the first post of the game. A lot more troublesome was your overreaction to my prodding him than anything that I or GB did, in my opinion. If you're town you shouldn't have any concrete information on his alignment, but it looks like you did based on your reaction.

It wasn't the first post of the game, and definitely not GB's first post. I called it out as I saw it, you pushing someone whom i thought was *obviously* town for making that post in that fashion.

And then you followed it up with an over-defensive post when there were 2 votes on you

[Iconeum]

I find myself hard agreeing with most of what VP Baltar has already explained regarding Iconeum’s push on NPOM, which I thought was too much on what seemed to me as mildly defensive. So I’m going to place VP Baltar as a Town Lean, though I’ll admit that he certainly sounds like he’s been around, so could be fooling me with the tone.

and in case this is all a big ol' town brawl going on, this is scum

thoughts on this?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Players I am leaning town on so far are: Datsi, Andres, Snowblaze, Hellbrooks
Players I am leaning scum on so far are: Iconeum
The rest are null.

[Iconeum]

NPOW you need to reread what VP wrote about me and see how it adds up

because it doesn't

[NoPowerOverMe]

Ico is being way to much of a literalist and not looking at intent and subtelty. This doesn't seem townish to me.