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[Datisi]

Nothing. Just is a bit annoying when ppl claim like that

shit i actually agree

[DkKoba]

thread got quiet all of a sudden huh

[Andresvmb]

I wish I could say I had strong feelings about Snow either way but I don’t. I agreed with VPB’s general statement that Snow did not seem to be pushing the game forward all that much, but Snow is not completely devoid of opinions either.

[Testarossa]

Tbh Snow feels kind of a bit more like defeatist town than scum that is more or less accepting her elimination. But that is more gut.

She has been switching between nulltown and nullscum so far through the whole game, I think I would have joined the wagon at the beginning just to see where it might lead to and Baltar's reasons were good enough, but after the wagon I am not so sure what to think of it. It kind of happened a bit too fast for my liking. But I am a bit at a loss because I am town or null on all on the wagon.

@Andres:
What do you think of Ico's turn onto Snow considering you are both (or were?) scumreading both?

[Andresvmb]

Also I’ve seen some posts from Datisi and Ico asking me about which points I was saying were good ones when argued against Ico being Scum (like 674). Well, the main point being argued for why Ico is Town is that a lot of the reactions we’re seeing here are from frustrated Town, and simply Ico’s personality (e.g. 469). I can’t dismiss this entirely right. I think DkKoba and VPB are Town. I know I’m Town. So all those “retaliatory” votes I’ll call them (my interpretation) don’t vibe well with me. But if it’s driven by personality (and I do rely on meta for a lot of my reads typically, though obviously hard to do in a game where I don’t know anyone), then I would think your read is more likely to be accurate than mine. And why do I Town Read you Datisi? Well, you have been probing me pretty hard over my views, and I think it has a lot to do with the fact that you don’t agree with me obviously. But despite you know voting me, I can’t say you have written me off or tunneled me, and it feels genuine.

[Andresvmb]

@Testarossa I don’t know what to make of Ico voting Snow. I’ll be honest - it’s entirely dependent on what Snow flips if they do. It’s a rarity that I get to call the Scum Team completely D1, so I’m not assuming that all of a sudden I got them both right and this is a bus. I doubt it. I haven’t gotten strong Scum vibes from Snow, but I can’t say I’m a huge fan of not taking any strong stances D1 at all. Snow is arguing that they are a cautious player. Sure. But you shouldn’t be surprised people SR that, since it’s a typical Scum position to take.

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Testarossa im willing to compromise for this (:

[Andresvmb]

@NPOM, I can’t square your 222, 224, 226 and 231 with your 679, which explains your vote on me. You were basically in total agreement with VPB and my early push on Ico, and then you turned around and voted me arguing that disagreed with my push on Ico, and said that you couldn’t see “the Town purpose” in 682. The last few posts I’m quoting came around when the wagon against me seemed to be building some steam, and the earlier ones came when the momentum was decidedly against Ico. Care to explain?

Of course, now you’re back to SR’ing Ico for jumping on Snow, who they had claimed a TR earlier on. How has the last sequence of events influenced your read on me?

[DkKoba]

im not hanging outside of Ico/Testa/NPOM today btw

[DkKoba]

also if u think in a game with 3 scum with so many v high energy players that at the very least snow!scum wouldnt be at the very least be coached in scum chat rn, then thats absurd.

[Andresvmb]

@DkKoba you claimed to be playing 3D chess with your vote on Snow. Do you want to elaborate yet or no?

[DkKoba]

yes, I wanted to get other's reaction to snow being a potential hanging.

i was starting to fos NPOM at that time and it only solidified that from their reaction

[Datisi]

coaching actually happens much less than you'd expect in my experience

these last few posts from andres almost make me wanna vote npom, but not quite yet

i am still interested in why testa is scum but at this point i feel like i'm talking to a wall

[DkKoba]

can u do me a favor dats and iso terra and look at how much fillery content they have wrt how they phrase their long posts + how much IioA they have?

[Datisi]

fun fact: someone calling me dats makes it about 10% more likely i'll get pocketed by them

VOTE: testarossa

[DkKoba]

lets do itttttttt

[Alduskkel]

At first I thought Andres was scum but I'm starting to think he's misguided town. I think scum would have backed off pushing Icon after facing so much resistance from multiple players.

This is textbook Icon townplay. It's an emotional player who tends to get into fights. I think in this game it's clear Icon is sorting people and the idea that scum-Icon just attacks anyone that attacks it is too rooted in some theory of how scum act rather than how they (and in particular, Icon) act in practice.
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also thinking atm that NPOM has higher scum equity if snowblaze is town actually

Talk to me about this more.
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Maybe I'm just projecting, but Snowblaze's play reminds me a lot of when I'm town and having trouble getting scumreads. I just don't see this slot as scum.

VOTE: Testarossa. I took up Koba's offer to iso Testa and there's a lot of hedging language in there. Try doing a find-in-page highlight of the word "but" and you'll see it's all over the place.

I want to give this wagon some momentum and see where it goes.

[DkKoba]

u know this is the first time in a while ive been able to sell a case like this o.o

my persuasiveness has never been a strong point and usually i just brute force pushes to the point of 1v1s that I just win

[Raya36]

Official Vote Count 1.10

Cotyledon tomentosa "Bear's Paw"

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Elimination

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate someone.

NoPowerOverMe

(1): Billy Pilgrim

Billy Pilgrim

(1): Testarossa

Iconeum

(2): jankofan, Andresvmb

Snowblaze

(4): GeorgeBailey, VP Baltar, Iconeum, hellbooks

VP Baltar

(2): NoPowerOverMe, Snowblaze

Testarossa

(3): DkKoba, Datisi, Alduskkel

Not Voting

(0):

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-08-13 23:15:00).

Mod notes:

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[DkKoba]

Official Vote Count 1.10

Not Voting

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u love to see it!

[Andresvmb]

Alright I’ll jump on this wagon.

VOTE: Testarossa

I prefer it over Snowblaze so that’s why.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I can get on board with Testarossa.

VOTE: Testarossa

L2 I think?

[Snowblaze]

Good news: I’m no longer the largest wagon. Bad news: I’m townleaning the replacement largest wagon.

(Should probably prioritise that ISO.)

I’m probably just irrationally tunnelling VPB but I do actually still think he’s been pretty scummy in trying to get me killed. And is anyone ever going to tell me why hellbooks is town?

Still fence-sitting, Andre? I thought you were scumreading me.

It can’t just be as easy as VPB/hellbooks/Andre, can it? (Probably not, but I can hope...)

Can someone explain why NPOM’s defence of town!me is scummy? I was agreeing with a lot of his points, but that might just be the emotional reaction to being wagoned rather than actual logical reads.

[Snowblaze]

Yup, not particularly scumreading Testarossa. Still a slight townlean. I think she’ll probably get easier to read as the game goes on.

I feel like I could very easily end up deathtunneling VPB, so I’m probably just going to ignore him and leave my vote there for a while until I feel like I can read him with less bias.

@Andre, why do you prefer Testarossa to me? You were townleaning her at the last mention before your switch in 252 and prepared to vote for me in 322. Can you explain what changed between those posts and your vote for her?

[DkKoba]

IM ACTUALLY GONNA BE MAD IF TERRA FLIPS TOWN BC IT WOULD BE KINDA EPIC WITH THE SPEED THE COUNTERWAGON HAPPENED. THE SPEEEEEEEED