Wavelength |||game over|||

[Kanna]

darth vader is like a poster villain, isn't he? right, right

[Menalque]

I think this is, at its core, a question about how you view morality and redemption. I suppose also of identity.

If you truly believe deeply in that, then Vader is barely a villain because of the act at the end of his life which amounts to repentance.

There’s evidence for this in that he becomes a force ghost in the mythos — but this is where the question of identity comes in. Because it’s not truly *Vader* who returns as a force ghost, it’s Anakin. Fundamentally he is not the same person as he is when he’s Vader. Ani is the boy who fell in love with Padme in the sand dunes while acting as her bodyguard. He’s flawed, certainly — he’s still Anakin at the time when he massacres the sand people. Anakin is not a pure or wholly good person.

But by the time that he murders the younglings, I think he has become Darth Vader. He may still be using the name, but he’s de facto entered into his apprenticeship to Palpatine. In the duality of the character, evil has won, he’s become the villain who is Darth Vader and that interpretation is supported by almost all the actions we see from Vader during the original trilogy.

Vader/Anakin are two people contained within the same body. Anakin is the morally complex and conflicted one; Vader the one who has accepted evil and who can conduct acts unquestioningly. Vader is truly villainous, and for that reason we should go right.

[Isis]

I have some "flaws" but none of them result in me genociding lol

[Datisi]

i love how "flaws" is in quotation marks

also i'm very poorly familiar (read: not familiar) with the source material so i'm gonna abstain from this discussion as i have nothing to bring to the table

[Datisi]

also i just realized we have like ~18 hours left for this soooo

[Isis]

Datisi avatar is ominous

[Isis]

I give it a 53

[Isis]

Steal cell phone is evil

[Kanna]

What about mine? ✿

VOTE: Right ?

[Isis]

Kanna's avatar unbelievably innocent

[lilith2013]

No sign of Auro.. can someone from Team Wealthy Star just input a guess? (I’m not going to be too hard on deadlines because they’re more to prevent the discussion from taking forever than anything else. But I would like to keep this moving.)

[Isis]

Guess: Right

[lilith2013]

And we're back with the latest wavelength spectrum!

Card:

Hero

Villain

Clue: Darth Vader

Spoiler: drum roll please...

Squad 1's guess of

65

scores 0 points..

Team Wealthy Star's guess of

Right

scores 1 point!

Current standings (round 2)

Team Wealthy Star

: 1 point
Hectic
Auro (current representative)
Kanna (current Psychic)
Datisi
Menalque
Isis

Squad 1

: 2 points
northsidegal
Nahdia (current representative)
animorpherv1 (next Psychic)
vincentw
NotaJumbleofNumbers
Sirius9121

Nahdia

is now the representative for Squad 1. Sending a new card and spectrum to

Kanna.

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[Nahdia]

uhhh, is there something im missing here? the only star wars ive seen are the first 6 movies once each but like, darth vader is a pretty classic villain who only did the right thing at the very very end of his life, hence why i thought he was good for like ~80. if anything i was worried you guys would go too high since he's such a classic villain? dude slaughtered children....

[Nahdia]

like i guess if the question had been "good - evil" i could maaaybe see going lower but even then... yall... he killed children. like, what?

[Isis]

right because he spent about 80% of his lifespan evil

[Nahdia]

isis gets me.

[Isis]

<3

[animorpherv1]

I feel like my reasoning for putting it lower is largely because of all the work that's gone on to make Anakin sympathetic. I know others consider Anakin and Vader different characters, but I really don't.

[lilith2013]

It’s now Team Wealthy Star's turn! Here's your card:

Modern

Old-Fashioned

And the clue that your Psychic, Kanna, provided is:

Club Penguin

Your team has (expired on 2020-08-20 15:41:07) to guess where the target is. It’s now up to you to discuss and determine where

Club Penguin

is on the spectrum from 0 to 100. 0 represents “Modern” and 100 represents “Old-Fashioned."

Auro

is your team’s current representative. Remember to provide your final answer in this format:

Guess: X

where X is between 0 and 100.

[Datisi]

huh. definitely more old fashioned than modern? but like still fairly modern? i dunno, first thought is 55-60, but if we're talking all of history... gah i dunno. game be difficult.

[Isis]

club penguin is pretty old, very early in the chat a bit play a bit era. But I think of Neopets as being kind of the same genre yet Neopets is even older. I want like 75

[Datisi]

yeah, neopets are a couple of years older.

in the middle of writing my post i started thinking about the middle ages and ancient greece and i was like "ok better go 55 to be on the safe side"

if we think kanna didn't go "literally all of history" when coming up with the hint i could see like 70?

[northsidegal]

i mean club penguin is a pretty landmark moment in history so i think the historical perspective makes sense

(also sorry nahdia)

[Nahdia]

I feel like my reasoning for putting it lower is largely because of all the work that's gone on to make Anakin sympathetic. I know others consider Anakin and Vader different characters, but I really don't.

a villain being sympathetic doesn't make them not a villain! but i understand. i wasnt really aware of all that material, im afraid. like i said to me star wars is just a series of 6 movies i saw once and remember mostly because of their cultural significance and not because i was ever really into them.