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superbowl9 Mafia Scum
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Yeah your 2 pages are just basic information and not really things that are pushy/pushable, hence why it's IIoA. I know you want me to go point by point through so you can undermine my position, but that literally makes no sense because I'm saying you've been cluttering the thread with basic info. Why would I respond to/elaborate upon that basic info lol?In post 627, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:In post 450, superbowl9 wrote:Had a feeling the MM omgus was coming if I waited long enoughIn post 453, superbowl9 wrote:I think MM's spew is kinda IIoAy
Discrediting 2 pages of my content without any quotes and labelling them as IIoA and OMGUS? NiceIn post 454, superbowl9 wrote:Not in the traditional way but more in the just put out a bunch of basic level argumentation thats really low hanging fruit type of way if you get me - not saying it's AI yet
Also dude you have literally OMGUSed everyone who has slighted you. Idk why you view this as a "discredit" because (at least imo) OMGUS is pretty NAI in most cases but it's just funny to point out when you OMGUS scumread someone then say they're OMGUSing.-
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No no no you are misunderstanding what I said. When I say you think there's a townblock I mean you think there's some townblock thatIn post 640, 72offsuit wrote:
There's no way someone with a town mindest would misinterpret what I meant.In post 452, superbowl9 wrote:
Yes that's what I said. You think there's a town block in the top 5 LMAO??? We've been at each other's throatsIn post 440, 72offsuit wrote:
There are 5 scum. You seriously think all 5 are going to be low/medium posters and just allow town to form a town-block. Yeah nahIn post 346, superbowl9 wrote:I don't see scum in this top 5/6 teir of the activity list btw
Risk/reward of being that active this early in the game is not very favorable
Let me break it down.
1. You say "I don't see scum in this top 5/6 teir of the activity list btw"
2. I disagree. I say it's highly unlikely that all the top volume posters are town, on the premise alone that scum would not allow town to dictate the game's trajectory by mostly just lurking. If there are active town posters, scum will usually interject and derail unless there is TvT aggro.
3. You say "You think there's a town block in the top 5 LMAO?"
4. That is clearly not what I said.
More votes on superbowl required
Choo Choo Choo!canbe created within the top 5 that scum needs to stop, not that there actually is one operating right now. Maybe it would have been better phrased as "you think theres a townbock to be prevented within the top 5/6".-
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superbowl9 Mafia Scum
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Mmmm more expert analysis. I'm on the edge of my seatIn post 649, ralph217 wrote:i get feelin whys every one tslking-
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Lapsa Mafia Scum
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Regarding MM the reason I cued in on this IIoA thing is because I used to play the same way a while ago, which is just put out very noncontroversial and logically sound statements to just build up this image of a very towny player, since I'm posting things everyone will agree with.
The issue is with this approach in a large is that it leads to lots of big information posts that lead to very few conclusions and actionable statements, and since we already have large amounts of content to pore through it's tough to read through a whole wall just to get that MM agrees with something someone already said. Also it's a great way to hide your alignment behind generally correct and innocuous statements so it makes you harder to read (which can be good for MM but bad for the rest of us).-
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Who's zhukov and actually who are youIn post 656, Lapsa wrote:@superbowl9 so you flipped on zhukov, ay?-
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NorwegianboyEE GLADiator
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Hmm. Glitch, you’re the master of IIOA here. Is MM scum using it to seem townie?Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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I think I missed the response to these questions.In post 461, Pickaxe Pete wrote:
Are you talking about your Marshmallow vote or the NoPowerOverMe vote referenced in the post above yours?In post 389, Bell wrote:It could be a paranoia vote.
I used to stick my vote on players I felt were good at manipulating me early game.
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Glitch He/HimMafia ScumHe/Him
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Why is it hard to understand this?:In post 620, Nero Cain wrote:naw, we were talking about
like one of the first things he did was attack me for voting norway. So it was wierd to me (and I think someone else, CSF?) that he was calling me scum but also willing to wagon the guy that he was chainsaw defending.In post 398, Glitch wrote:So far today I'll be cool with serious wagons forming on Nero, MM depending on response, or Norway
Glitch believes Norway is scummy for reasons X
Nero believes Norway is scummy for reasons Y
Glitch believes reasons X are genuine
Glitch believes reasons Y are a poor argument that are scum indicative
Why does it make me scummy to believe your argument against Norway is bad, while still holding my own thoughts on why he is scummy that are different from yours?
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Come on now, I've been doing real good on that since Nauci called me on it in 2149 MM seems like an excited newbie in the later half of the game so far. I had a scum lean there at first but it's nulling out the more fluff he posts, not because he's posting townie stuff but because it's such fluff I can't make heads or tails of him.In post 659, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Hmm. Glitch, you’re the master of IIOA here. Is MM scum using it to seem townie?-
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This is what I mean when I say you're arguing in bad faith. 559 was a literal wall explaining what you claim is mental gymnastics when in reality, it's simple. SR's are independent of each other. With no flips and 5498674596 players, I am not pushing associations and scum teams. I am pushing individuals. I could have released some of my SR of you by this time because of some of the things you have said but your continued attacks like these that misrepresent and build straw man arguments against me have me convinced you're scum.In post 607, Nero Cain wrote:its a glitch, ofc its bad.
but also he's calling me scum for attcking norway but also said that he'd be willing to wagon/lynch norway and the mental gymnastics needed for that is mind boggling. Only a few ppl have called him on it and he hasn't offred an explanation so it looks like scum ignoring something potential damming in hopes that it goes away.-
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Sorry missed this.In post 662, Pickaxe Pete wrote:
I think I missed the response to these questions.In post 461, Pickaxe Pete wrote:
Are you talking about your Marshmallow vote or the NoPowerOverMe vote referenced in the post above yours?In post 389, Bell wrote:It could be a paranoia vote.
I used to stick my vote on players I felt were good at manipulating me early game.
And why did you feel the need in 387 to state that you like your Marshmallow vote?
1. I was talking about Norwe’s vote on me.
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Glitch He/HimMafia ScumHe/Him
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Someone asked me for my case on Norway and I can't find that post to quote it anymore but whoever asked that, here's my answer:
I don't like Norway's motivation this game. He was town in the last game I played with him and his morale was up the whole game. I don't like the whole idea of lowering the player pool being top priority right now even at the cost of town deaths. Seems haphazard and wreckless which isn't the Norway I played with last time. Also:In post 119, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
We need early vig shoots because right now we’re fighting the wagon dynamics almost more than scum itself. I played in a large 50 game before and we needed 26 votes to get a lynch in D1. Do you have any idea how much of a pain in the ass it is to convince 26 people to lynch a player?In post 44, Bell wrote:In general, unless you’re really, really, really sure you know that player is scum you don’t shoot n1.
We need to lower the player pool ASAP, and hopefully by eliminating scum along the way.In post 244, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Is this going to be one of those games.In post 246, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Nero just spill why you're voting me, i'm not up for your games. Get it over with.
I get the impression you're not a big fan of naked votes from these posts and you prefer people to have reason behind their votes. But then you proceed to naked vote Bell right here:In post 249, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Because i wanna know why you're voting me.
Why is there no more information than this? Are you just returning to your early game SR of Bell? Why have you mentioned nothing of your read on Bell from early on and then you just return to it?In post 284, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Anyway let's stop talking about that. It will just waste time.
I'm reconsidering Stan based on NPOM's statement on them so i'll go back here for now. VOTE: Bell
Additionally, your self-meta here does not account for the fact that while personalities do transcend alignments, there is something to be said for playstyle changes according to alignment that you are leaving out:In post 304, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I can show you numerous examples of town!me reacting to a vote on me i find unfairly or a scumread of me that is unjustified. Even if it's just one.
As scum i usually completely ignore.
I have done the complete opposite of what scum!me would do in this situation.
I'm conscientious and sensitive to people's reads on me too, but when I'm scum I have to work even harder to hold myself together and not crack under the pressure. As town the pressure is off, so there will certainly be a difference in playstyle. I get more worked up as town. How are you different when you're town vs when you're scum? That's what I'm looking for. You want us to believe so badly that you play the same with both alignments but I just don't believe it.In post 322, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
It doesn’t matter. I can’t change the way i play. I’m always concious and sensitive to people’s reads on me. This isn’t a scum thing either. I always am like that.In post 319, Nero Cain wrote:norway, you understand that ppl are going to scum read you for getting defensive, right?-
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this is literally scum logic. He's not worried about figuring out the dynamics-he just wants lynches. Unless he thinks Norway and I are scum together he can't think norway and I are both scum and he's like "naw, not worried about that."In post 666, Glitch wrote:With no flips and 5498674596 players, I am not pushing associations and scum teams. I am pushing individuals.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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In post 670, Nero Cain wrote:
this is literally scum logic. He's not worried about figuring out the dynamics-he just wants lynches. Unless he thinks Norway and I are scum together he can't think norway and I are both scum and he's like "naw, not worried about that."In post 666, Glitch wrote:With no flips and 5498674596 players, I am not pushing associations and scum teams. I am pushing individuals.In [url=https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=A_Beginner%27s_Guide_to_Being_Awesome_At_Mafia]A Beginner's Guide to Being Awesome At Mafia[/url], MS Wiki wrote:You have a better chance of dying IRL than winning the lottery.
Do not fool yourself into thinking you can call the scumteam, especially before anyone has flipped scum. Don't bother with trying to draw connections between players until one of them is dead. It's tempting! but futile.-
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you can, I don't care but the problem here is that you can't think both Norway and I are scum at the same time.In post 664, Glitch wrote:Why does it make me scummy to believe your argument against Norway is bad, while still holding my own thoughts on why he is scummy that are different from yours?
chainsaw defending is attacking the player that's attacking the player. I was voting Norway and you attacked me for attacking him-it is literally the definition.In post 664, Glitch wrote:Also, what did I specifically say that constitutes chainsaw defending Norway?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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How it is scummy for me to think your case is bullshit and alignment indicative of you, while simultaneously believing my case is decent enough to have a case? My case is like 6.5/10. Your's is like 2/10. I can have a SL on Norway and a SR on you, and then when one of you are eliminated, it will help me go back and evaluate your content to get a clearer read on the other player who we didn't eliminate. No speculation on if you're a scum team needed as that won't get us anywhere. If you're a scum team or not is irrelevant until one of you flips.
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Oh I didn't know that chainsaw defending actually had a meaning like that. I thought you just meant I was viciously defending Norway and I was like WTF I never did anything of the sort. lol.
I understand that it wouldn't make a ton of sense for both of you to be scum together. I also understand that I don't know for a fact what either of your alignments are. Just that you're both pinging me as my top SRs so one of you needs to hold my vote. I understand if I'm right about one of you that means I'm probably wrong about the other but until one of you flips I have no way to tell which is which,except to evaluate both of you based on your own actions, not the actions of each other,which therefore leaves me with SR'ing you more than Norway because of how you've handled my "vanity vote" on you and the many things I've pointed out about you arguing in bad faith.-
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In post 671, Glitch wrote:In post 670, Nero Cain wrote:
this is literally scum logic. He's not worried about figuring out the dynamics-he just wants lynches. Unless he thinks Norway and I are scum together he can't think norway and I are both scum and he's like "naw, not worried about that."In post 666, Glitch wrote:With no flips and 5498674596 players, I am not pushing associations and scum teams. I am pushing individuals.In [url=https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=A_Beginner%27s_Guide_to_Being_Awesome_At_Mafia]A Beginner's Guide to Being Awesome At Mafia[/url], MS Wiki wrote:You have a better chance of dying IRL than winning the lottery.
Do not fool yourself into thinking you can call the scumteam, especially before anyone has flipped scum. Don't bother with trying to draw connections between players until one of them is dead. It's tempting! but futile.
this fool is quoting the wiki to try to make his argument seem correct and authoritative. There's a HUGE diffrence between "calling the scum team" and calling two players scum that can't possibly be scum together. If you think im scum AND don't think we are scum together then you have to think he's town. period. These are things town think about "this guy is attacking this guy so I'm prob wrong" you are absolutly not thinking about that. You are lynch first then I'll decide and thats not town.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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