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[Bell]

Nero and lickity are the only two with the survivor tag this game I think.

[NorwegianboyEE]

tell me if im wrong bus is"nt most survivor expert at playing

This one I get. I’m not sure how you get the survivor tag. I thought it had to do with surviving to the end as a 3rd party. Which is difficult yes.

Survivor is a tag you get once you've made 10 000+ posts.
Jack of all trades 5000+
Mafia scum 1000+
Etc etc

[Bell]

Oh. Thanks.
175 to go.
What do you think of Virgo entrance Norwe?

[NorwegianboyEE]

What do you think of Virgo entrance Norwe?

I didn't like that they have the same stance as Glitch where apparently they don't want vigs to use their shots tonight. Because: "they might hit town!" Yeah no shit sherlock. That's ignoring the fact that vigs should always aim for players that are already in the PoE and are likely players that would be suspected/lynched anyway. Seeing their flip instantly would give a lot of info to town to assess the gamestate and see whether town is on the right track or if they need to reassess.
Their post 622 is mostly just casual discrediting of what i say, and seems like they're trying to justify their vote on me and put up a pretense of town reading up on the game rather than actually solve. Don't really like their slot based on that.

[ManateeDude]

VC1.07

With 21 alive it takes 11 to eliminate

superbowl9 (5):

stan1ey, 72offsuit, Marshmallow, Town looter, Fwesnid

Marshmallow Marshall (2):

Cat Scratch Fever, Lapsa

stan1ey (1):

superbowl9

NorwegianBoyEE (2):

NoPowerOverMe, JacksonVirgo

Nero Cain (1):

Glitch

Glitch (3):

Nero Cain, Bell, NorwegianBoyEE

NoPowerOverMe (1):

SJReaver

JacksonVirgo (2):

Pickaxe Pete, I Keep Siteflaking

Not Voting:

Hiraki, popopopopopopo, ralph217, Ganelon, Pickaxe Pete

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-08-24 16:00:00)

Mod Notes:

1. I'm counting votes without a bot so please let me know if I've made any mistakes
   
2. please be active i cant do a game in replacement hell

[Bell]

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

[Bell]

To me it looks like a clumsy scum entrance and his feet aren’t planted well.

[Town looter]

ok why am i not, looter?

I am asking about how the post translates to a read, not why you are or aren't town. I've mentioned my read on you previously.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Wouldn't town be more likely to be clumsy?

[Bell]

When I say clumsy I mean inoffensive, cautious, like he has to choose carefully who his friends and enemies are.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Seems more like town. Scum already have friends.

[Bell]

I happily disagree with you.

[Bell]

If you want to get into that particular discussion we can do it now or we can do it when the game is over.

[JacksonVirgo]

Spoiler: Jackson Virgo catchup trimmed

Why did i join a 20+ game. Omg. Time to fight against the wagon dynamics of dogpiling on an random player.
Vigs better shoot tonight.

Why would vig's have to shoot tonight? Wouldn't it be better to save the vig shots for a 1 for 1 scenario or similar or at least until we've got a bunch more reads down.

Given the size of this group, how do you feel about eliminating low-activity slots?

Do you agree with Norwegian that vigs should shoot early?

Unless there is good evidence of lurking, no. Mis-elimming an active slot will generally tell us more than a mis-elim on an inactive slot. This obviously only applies to early game, activity will be a useful source of information later in the game because of how easy it is to fly below the radar.

I've never played a setup with a vig, and haven't really thought about it. So not sure, probably defer to other's better judgement on this.

I don't believe this answered their question at all but I am personally against shooting N1 as you may end up killing a strong PR or the like stupidly and then go "Oh oop- soz"

Also is kill credits a thing?

@Mod It should be 11 to lynch, I'm voting for Bell while Glitch is not, and superbowl is voting for Glitch.

This is my first game out of the newbie forum. Question: "The townvmafia numbers are confirmed to be 16v5," so this is definitely two factions? No worrying about more than one mafia or a serial killer?

Yes there are exactly 16 town, and exactly 5 mafia of one faction.

Full and odd-night vigilantes should almost always be shooting night 1. X-shot is pretty situational.

superbowl's two recent posts ping.

Can you explain to me as to why vigilantes should shoot N1, I don't see the benefit outside of just killing town off faster with the small chance of hitting a wolf.

Unless a vigilante is x-shot they can't 'save' shots.
A full vigilante is a very strong role, there's not much you're gonna hit. (For perspective, if a vigilante shoots twice, and one shot is someone town would've eliminated anyway, and the other is just not someone scum would nk upon roleclaim, the vigilante was positive.)
Haven't heard of kill credits so probably not.
If there are three deaths night 1 and no weak/babysitters etc. we know there is at least two vigilantes.


UNVOTE: VOTE: superbowl
I scumread how he interacted with MM, it seemed very dismissive, and am curious of his perspective of offsuit's point.

On my home site it's discouraged to shoot early as a vigilante, maybe that's leaking through on this site where it's the opposite.

[JacksonVirgo]

It has to be 2 vigilante setup. I see no other way around it.

Your avi is quite... unique

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh look that's me I think

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

Four balloons to you.

I love balloons!

[Bell]

Hi virgo.
I think you’re scum!

Have you caught up yet?

[JacksonVirgo]

If you think im scum AND don't think we are scum together then you have to think he's town

I understand the point you're trying to make but the only way that this would be true is if I knew for a fact that your alignment was scum. I am speculating and making a case that you are scum because in my mind, you are the highest likelihood to be scum right now. But I don't know for a fact that you are, and I am well aware that I could be wrong and I could get you lynched and you could flip town. Therefore, my read on Norway is not going to be influenced by my read on you because my read on you could very well be wrong.

My quote of the wiki was because you're don't like that I won't call you two a scum team, but I just won't. Most likely, one of you is scum and one of you is town, but I have a hard time figuring out which one. I lean your way but understand that I may be wrong, and both of you being in my scum reads because of your own individual actions does not make me want to lynch first, evaluate later. If I wanted a wreckless lynch I would have just joined the MM wagon. That wagon was freaking easy to jump on.

If I were scum why would I be motivated to push you so hard when I'm literally the only one SRing you?

Disgusting post.
VOTE: Glitch

I mean instead of just saying it's disgusting, you could give me something to go on?

I mean, this is townie imo. The last sentence not anything else

[JacksonVirgo]

tell me if im wrong bus is"nt most survivor expert at playing

This one I get. I’m not sure how you get the survivor tag. I thought it had to do with surviving to the end as a 3rd party. Which is difficult yes.

Survivor is a tag you get once you've made 10 000+ posts.
Jack of all trades 5000+
Mafia scum 1000+
Etc etc

How does one check how many posts they've made?

[JacksonVirgo]

What do you think of Virgo entrance Norwe?

I didn't like that they have the same stance as Glitch where apparently they don't want vigs to use their shots tonight. Because: "they might hit town!" Yeah no shit sherlock. That's ignoring the fact that vigs should always aim for players that are already in the PoE and are likely players that would be suspected/lynched anyway. Seeing their flip instantly would give a lot of info to town to assess the gamestate and see whether town is on the right track or if they need to reassess.
Their post 622 is mostly just casual discrediting of what i say, and seems like they're trying to justify their vote on me and put up a pretense of town reading up on the game rather than actually solve. Don't really like their slot based on that.

As I just said, it's a home site thing. Town of salem FM kinda shits on people if you vigi shoot N1

[Bell]

Click on your own name bottom right corner shows total posts says you have 2407

[Bell]

2249*

[JacksonVirgo]

When I say clumsy I mean inoffensive, cautious, like he has to choose carefully who his friends and enemies are.

Only reason I'd be cautious is because I don't know who to trust as I don't really know how anyone plays and/or never played with them before ever/in a while.

[JacksonVirgo]

Click on your own name bottom right corner shows total posts says you have 2407

Oh thanks dude, also you called me a he before. Sorry but could you call me by their/them. Thanks

[Bell]

Said another way, you’re thinking about how to adapt to people.