Redneck Mafia GAME OVER PARTNER!

[Vecna]

that means if we mislynch the game could be over after today

This is the type of little thing that makes me think Vecna is town, btw.

We have 9 alive. In order for a reasonable "We die tonight" scenario, there have to be at least 5 town deaths. If there can still be 5 town deaths after flipping 2 scum killing roles, this was never really a game. Scum Vecna is 100% aware of that, but the statement looks natural to me.


I'm also not opposed to the EJ wagon. It's probably slightly better mechanically

because

Adorable can't shoot there. My gut does say that Gal is the scum and EJ is town though, FWIW.

Your post was pretty convincing I must reckon.

The post was actually completely NAI and any allignment couldve done the basic math on how 5 townies could die if a townvig were to shoot a town PGO after a mislynch

[Vecna]

anyways, whatever.

Unless someone starts agreeing with me ill just shut up about this since whoever knows what goes on in town bingle's mind at any given day of the week anyway.

I just hope this wont have to result in an I told you so

[Froppy]

Why not? Do you think Galron's defense is going to convince anyone. More importantly, do you think Galron thinks his defense is going to convince anyone?

I don't, and if he was scum I see his easiest miselim being Elsa.

[Vecna]

Titus where are you. do stuff?

[Bingle]

You even reading what was being talked about?

Mislynch = 1
Townvig shooting town pgo = 2
scum killing DGB = 1
Scum getting extra nightkill due to DGB death = 1

No scum ability except the NK involved.

And... there’s then 4 alive. I agree with you that adorable shouldn’t kill EJ, but I don’t think it’s likely that doing so would outright lose us the game.

[Vecna]

Alchemist though. Not a town vote.

If scum has any type of targetable ability left that vote is bought. (or if they can just lie convincingly about it)

If Alch feels town hasnt helped him enough and he loses regardless, the vote might be bought.

a 4way tomorrow is likely a loss.

But that is not what the argument was about. Deflection?

[Vecna]

Like, its almost an argument just to eliminate alch here.

We dont want to use the vig there. We have no leverage over the slot. We have nothing to offer the slot for its vote. Getting down to a 4way means thats quite likely to result in a no lynch since its against the 3p's wincon to vote for scum there. Its against the 3p wincon to vote for scum at any moment going forward.

Also, 5 visiting roles only in the game that we know of.

Not taking the risk of mislynching right here right now is a minimal upside, and not being able to further reduce our lynchpool sucks. But it might be worth doing it to buy the extra mislynch later on.

[Alchemist21]

My vote can be bought for 1 million dollars.

[Galron]

I guess this is better than no lynch, but I really haven't had the time to get comfortable yet.

VOTE: Icerint

VOTE: Lavender

Let's make it interesting.

VOTE: Gobble

VOTE: Lavender

Time's running out.

Galron and Elsa both have made votes that were not explained. These quotes above are examples and I'm asking here what made you guys vote these players since they were not explained. I see that you both have been hopping on wagons on day 1, day 2, and day 3.

I'm going to kind of defend Elsa here I guess without looking at the actual votes and say that this is lame. Day 1 of a large is a free for all. No one knows anything for sure except their own role. I'm pretty sure when I repped in we were under deadline pressure, and Iecerint and Lavender both were decent wagons, although wrong. I unvoted Iecerint to vote Lavender to tie them up if I recall correctly. Both wagons were wrong. That means, what, exactly?

You said day 1 of a large is a free for all and I don't know what you mean by this.

Every Day 1 I'v ebeen in has been blind wagon after blind wagon with all of the townies feeling their way around and scum taking advantage of flailing town. Hitting scum with an execution is rare without a big slip.

[Galron]

Do you want to waste your time on that?

Pass. If someone who is not you asks, sure, but attempting to convince you that you're scum is a waste of time. Either you're scum, and you know I'm right, or you're town and you know I'm wrong. (Also, your post= tags are borked and go to the OP, JSYK.)

I will say for the benefit of the thread that the context of the votes IS something I took into account. For example, the TLich unvote/revote was:

TLich claims, Gal unvotes, DGB laughs at the claim, Pooky laughs at the claim, chk laughs at the claim, Gal hammers. That's pretty much the point. He hammered as soon as he saw the town response was "laugh at claim" and knew that TLich was a sinking ship.

Similarly the Froppy unvote.

Spoiler:

VOTE: Froppy

E-1

That's the opposite of letting someone catch up.

I read up to page 112 so far. On page 1 it says TL is red and I'm at the part where TL is being wagoned. I'm town reading Bingle since he is the one who made a case on TL and has been after this slot wanting it to get lynched. The Pooky and DGB confirming each other confused me and I didn't understand that part and it looks like Alchemist didn't get confirmed.

It's been so tempting to lolhammer

I think that it is almost poe so if this is the route people want to take then I think we should quit stalling.

UNVOTE:

UNVOTE:

What, in this sequence, caused you to learn something, Gal? Why did you put the fresh replacement at E-1 in the first place if you were hoping for a catchup?

3282 vote on Froppy was taking an E-2 wagon to E-1 to put pressure on it because I was scum reading that slot and was pretty certain there was a busser on it. I wanted to see if someone would pop loose, and someone did, Bingle, and I think you'll see that I unvoted right after Bingle did because I learned something I had thought. And, as I had said prior to that, I wanted Froppy to catch up.

Yes, 3288 is my unvote on Froppy that followed Bingle's unvote.

[Galron]

that means if we mislynch the game could be over after today

This is the type of little thing that makes me think Vecna is town, btw.

We have 9 alive. In order for a reasonable "We die tonight" scenario, there have to be at least 5 town deaths. If there can still be 5 town deaths after flipping 2 scum killing roles, this was never really a game. Scum Vecna is 100% aware of that, but the statement looks natural to me.


I'm also not opposed to the EJ wagon. It's probably slightly better mechanically

because

Adorable can't shoot there. My gut does say that Gal is the scum and EJ is town though, FWIW.

Your post was pretty convincing I must reckon.

What do you think of Vecna's response? I'm thinking Vecna's onto something.

[Galron]

Although I don't know that the Bingle is among the last scum(s). My pool is still Elsa, Alchemist and Adorable. But with everyone saying Adorable can confirm herself so we're not touching her, and leave Alchemist alone too, that narrows it down to Elsa.

Titus, why do you want to go Vecna?

[Galron]

Well it's the truth, especially when I'm offering to get shot by the Vigilante. Or did you forget that?

Why are you taking the Vig claim for granted though? What if it's not true?

[Elsa Jay]

Well if the Vig isn't true then he can't shoot me or he dies. That part seemed self explanatory.

[Galron]

Well if the Vig isn't true then he can't shoot me or he dies. That part seemed self explanatory.

I'm not talking about Adorable shooting you. I'm asking why you're taking the vig claim for granted.

[Elsa Jay]

? I'm not...? If you mean why I believe it, nobody claimed poisoned and I doubt the extra death n2 was my fault.

[Titus]

Alch, what's your thing with visiting roles again?

[Alchemist21]

Alch, what's your thing with visiting roles again?

Any non-factional action used on me fails and I get a 1-shot copy of the ability. I need to use 2 of those copied abilities and I’m at 1.

[Titus]

Alch, what's your thing with visiting roles again?

Any non-factional action used on me fails and I get a 1-shot copy of the ability. I need to use 2 of those copied abilities and I’m at 1.

Can you try to visit Elsa Jay? Her ability should fail on you.

[Titus]

Or we could just have Thun shoot Alch.

[Elsa Jay]

Titus roles that VISIT him. Not just anyone he visits. Besides, he has no charge to visit me anyway.

[Alchemist21]

Alch, what's your thing with visiting roles again?

Any non-factional action used on me fails and I get a 1-shot copy of the ability. I need to use 2 of those copied abilities and I’m at 1.

Can you try to visit Elsa Jay? Her ability should fail on you.

Or we could just have Thun shoot Alch.

I used the 1-shot I had to Cop your slot already. I need Adorable to shoot me.

[Vecna]

I really wonder how your wincon would interact with a PGO.

Do you still die/win/escape if you were to shoot EJ.

Because that interaction in itself almost feels like either of you is spinning little lies.

[Vecna]

In fact, half the abilities that would let you win and leave the game are killing abilities

Such weird design to add the kingmaking stuff to a 3P that gets to exit and win, and quite likely also affect the outcome of the town vs scum battle while doing so, without fear of repercussion

[Galron]

Actually double checking my original PM I don’t think it was meant to be Town in the first place. The area box is labeled 3p but the wincon at the bottom was the Town wincon and I confirmed as a Hillbilly Absorber.

So it was more likely a mod error in my original role PM.

This makes me think Alchemist is not scum. After all that stuff we went through with Lavender post-flip with chkflip detailing how he knew Lavender town-told because of the rolecard label, this looks like a non-scum tell to me.