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[VP Baltar]

Anyway, see 2537.

So which of Koba and NPOM do you think is more likely scum?

When you say Koba has been "responsible for a lot of bad pushes," who do you mean specifically?

[Andresvmb]

This is a list of DkKoba’s “bad” pushes from my POV, noting that not all of these players have flipped.

Iconeum
315, 317, 363, 468, 480, 539- once the Ico wagon had somewhat disintegrated D1, Koba pushed hard to restart it (there’s other posts but you get the point).

Snowblaze/Bob
This is how Koba’s reads on Snow started:
361, 553, 571, 821 - Snowblaze Town [“Independent Tone”].
622 - Koba does not SR either Billy or Snowblaze (in response to VPB). Maintains they make no sense with Testa on 1114.
However, after some (admittedly) lackluster content from Snow, Koba switched their read on 1170, and abandoned their push on Testa (which spanned most of D1). The vote followed quickly on 1216 after Bob replaced in and put out their wagon analysis, which hardened on 1230. Better explanation on 1260.

In D2, I certainly lead the Bob push more than Koba did, but they were still aggressively pushing for Bob to start the day. However, 1907 shows some paranoia about even that read, and in 1938, Koba almost looks like they want to move

away

from Bob. This is confirmed later when Koba wants to sort in Hellbooks/Aldus (and even throws a TR towards Testa, making a point about “good vibes”). They even show skepticism about moving back to Bob on 2044 and 2194, and start thinking that Aldus’ hammer was bad on 2181.

Hellbooks
2007 - starts with a vote, and tries to rally votes there on 2111.
2186, 2199, 2214 - more shade towards Hellbooks.

I would also point to DkKoba’s push onto Datisi to start D3, but it’s not particularly impactful. Then Koba starts pushing me after I SR them (and after calling me LockTown) but I will admit that I think it’s frustration and surprise probably more than anything else.

I’m not including Koba’s push onto Testarossa D1, because that could very well be genuine and correct.

At the same time, you have to recognize some of the better reads.

320, 355, 1067 - GB, Datisi Town. Defending GB for inactivity.

599 - “Appreciate Jankofan”. TR them on 1016. It’s a shame DkKoba opened the possibility of a hammer on Janko in 1370, because then the TR would make me feel better. Expressing “pockety vibes” in 1614 also doesn’t help, because it

almost

feels like opening up excuses to ensure a Town execution goes through. At the same time, Koba never actually voted for Janko, and gave a rather interesting explanation in 1674 after the hammer from Aldus had happened.

As far as I can tell, Koba never expressed a SR of Billy D1, and actively TR the slot. However, the Read softened on D2, which is odd (and a positive signal) given what transpired later obviously. 2280 is crazy even having figured out that Billy is the Tracker and Bob is practically guaranteed to flip.

[Andresvmb]

And yeah, NPOM is more likely to flip Scum than Koba there’s no doubt about it.

[Andresvmb]

And yeah, NPOM is more likely to flip Scum than Koba there’s no doubt about it.

[Andresvmb]

Crap double post. My internet is sucking right now.

[Andresvmb]

Honestly, I don’t think Koba is a smart flip (and certainly not today). I shouldn’t have softened my TR of Koba as much as I did. I do think they’re more often Town than not.

[Andresvmb]

Look I can’t decide if Testa is Scum and Koba is Town. Nobody wants to take the plunge with NPOM because they reek of mis-execute bait (even though you won’t find a Scummier Town ever if they’re Town). So Aldus is my very best guess.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I trust Andres as far as I can throw him.

[NoPowerOverMe]

My best guess is Andres is trying to save Test by misexecuting Aldus.

[Andresvmb]

Your best guess is terrible.

[NoPowerOverMe]

You can whine until the cows come home that doesn't make it right.

[Andresvmb]

I’m not whining. I’m stating facts. Your best guess is terrible.

[NoPowerOverMe]

If you were town you wouldn't know that. You are either scum trying to save your own butt, scum trying to save Test's butt, or if you are town you should vote Test.

[Andresvmb]

How would I not know that exactly? You’re saying I’m Scum trying to save a Partner.

[Andresvmb]

Anyway you’re just distracting I don’t care to interact with you here.

[NoPowerOverMe]

If you were town you would entertain scum!Test. You're putting your ego ahead of the team if you are town. Or if you are scum you are trying to save a partner, as you said.

[Andresvmb]

@Datisi @Hellbooks I think that without your direction this game is not going to move forward. You still have a Day. If anybody wants to ask me something in good faith I’ll be around.

[hellbooks]

i need
r e a s o n s
to include koba in the townblocc

let's not talk about voting koba, at least for today

I trust Andres as far as I can throw him.

were you not townreading a couple pages ago

@Datisi @Hellbooks I think that without your direction this game is not going to move forward. You still have a Day. If anybody wants to ask me something in good faith I’ll be around.

i am probably going to move forward on a testa wagon if there aren't any other dedicated efforts from datisi today.

If you were town you would entertain scum!Test. You're putting your ego ahead of the team if you are town. Or if you are scum you are trying to save a partner, as you said.

it's also possible that if andres is scum, he is positioning to get correctness points on a testa town flip. that's not my working theory but we ought to leave that possibility ope

[hellbooks]

although if VP has any strong conclusions from his reevaluation today i will of course consider

[NoPowerOverMe]

I don't recall tr Andres at any recent point.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Your point is taken on the possible town Test flip. Either way he's scummy and Test is the best flip for today.

[hellbooks]

But the more I hear from Andres the more I think he's town.

maybe i was overestimating the strenght of this statement

[Andresvmb]

Ah so if Testa flips Scum, I’m the Partner, but if they flip Town, I was looking for Town cred? What kind of nonsense is this?

[hellbooks]

That was clearly not an attack on you andres

[Andresvmb]

I was talking to NPOM.