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[Nero Cain]

im not shutting anyone down?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t think Nero is to blame for anything other than triggering Alisae.

[Titus]

*shrug* I haven't read. Don't care to but the wagonomics tell me we have either a lying PR problem or a scum let everyone else duke it out problem.

[superbowl9]

@superbowl: OK. I'll drop the Norwee push for now, but I want it to go on the record that this is against my better judgement still.

Yeah I targeted my post more at the norway side of things, I figured another part of it was you had a lock scumread so didnt see a need to do much else except push it. I wont hold it against you if you wanna wait till D2 to really do anything

[superbowl9]

one thing that i have been able to digest from reading the last few pages is that jackson is v towny

HARD disagree

[superbowl9]

VOTE: Siteflaking

I feel like making a completely arbitrary move with the deadline frozen.

I think we need to start wagoning prod dodgers. I get the feeling that town are apathetically subbing out or ripping each other's heads off.

So that vote was a pointless attempt at looking like you're generating activity

*shrug* I haven't read. Don't care to but the wagonomics tell me we have either a lying PR problem or a scum let everyone else duke it out problem.

This is why i don't like your playstyle. I feel you hide behind not reading and VCA to obscure your alignment when clearly you have the capacity to play well in an AI way

[Town looter]

Fwesnid is a self-solving slot now, so there is zero need to bother thinking about it (unless I misunderstood what a loud gunsmith is).

They could be a scum aligned loud gunsmith though right?

Can you tell me why you think Hiraki is scum, btw? I don't get it.

I feel like they are trying to drive town in a direction, while being cryptic with their explanations. Both rubs me the wrong way, and feels scummy.

pedit: no. but plenty of others have low confidence in it, so I was kinda following their lead.

Uhh, yes, that's true, apparently Loud is a "normal" modifier for any alignment. That means he has to get townier than that once he proves he actually is a loud gunsmith lol.

Ah ok... Sheep the Hiraki scumread is a mystery to me for everyone, and I don't like to see that some people are actually sheeping that. If anyone scumreading Hiraki could explain their point a bit, it'd be appreciated.

Clarification: My pedit was in response to Nero about Glitches claim. I am not sheeping anyone regarding Hiraki.

My SR on Hiraki is mostly based on 1611 plus their general unhelpful approach - a Scum!Hiraki scenario I am following right now is them are using their meta and experience to enhance Town's confirmation bias (e.g. "NBoyEE is definitely town!").

[Town looter]

I find it difficult to believe scum would be given a night 3 or day 4 ability, but that's an opinion from an uninformed person (I think this is like my second closed setup ever played - most of my games have been newbies)

There are definitely two different styles or approaches or whatever you want to call it in this game.

There's the Stanley/Glitch/TL approach, and the Nero/Hiraki/NBoyEE approach. I wouldn't say one is more or less scummy in the context of this game, they are just different. That said, I know I have a bias here and am probably over TRing the former, and over SRing the latter.

1 of these things is not like the other why is hiraki in there?

Just a style thing, rather than a grouping of opinions. I guess I would call it slow and considered (and maybe inexperienced, but don't know about stan) vs. short and sharp (and experienced). Hiraki fits into the latter category.

[Town looter]

I'll freely admit I am struggling to get any SRs with any kind of confidence. JV, NBoyEE and Hiraki are all low confidence reads.

[Hiraki]

a Scum!Hiraki scenario I am following right now is them are using their meta and experience to enhance Town's confirmation bias (e.g. "NBoyEE is definitely town!").

so i am scum because i say things, you don't ask why, and you just assume i'm calling it out of nowhere? do you think i think meta is a useful tool? read my posts again, thanks

[superbowl9]

Just a style thing, rather than a grouping of opinions. I guess I would call it slow and considered (and maybe inexperienced, but don't know about stan) vs. short and sharp (and experienced). Hiraki fits into the latter category.

Okay makes sense

[Town looter]

a Scum!Hiraki scenario I am following right now is them are using their meta and experience to enhance Town's confirmation bias (e.g. "NBoyEE is definitely town!").

so i am scum because i say things, you don't ask why, and you just assume i'm calling it out of nowhere? do you think i think meta is a useful tool? read my posts again, thanks

Ok. So I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

norwee clearly flips town here but he's being wrong about what the correct attitude to take here is

Why is Norwegian so town to you? Like, sure, you don't have to scum read them, but why town? This post could at best is anti-town, and at worst incredibly manipulative. That being said, I clearly don't see the world the same as you do.

[Titus]

VOTE: Siteflaking

I feel like making a completely arbitrary move with the deadline frozen.

I think we need to start wagoning prod dodgers. I get the feeling that town are apathetically subbing out or ripping each other's heads off.

So that vote was a pointless attempt at looking like you're generating activity

*shrug* I haven't read. Don't care to but the wagonomics tell me we have either a lying PR problem or a scum let everyone else duke it out problem.

This is why i don't like your playstyle. I feel you hide behind not reading and VCA to obscure your alignment when clearly you have the capacity to play well in an AI way

Well I am flattered you think I am better than I am. Realistically, I read people through their relationships with others. That's even excluding VCA.

You are gravely misinterpreting or misrepping the intent behind my vote. There's a lot of activity, but I don't feel like it's going in the right direction.

I'm not asking for more posts/activity. I'm asking for better posts/activity based on my social reading of the thread.

[ManateeDude]

I'm going to freeze the whole game as there's no point in continuing in till the slots are filled

[ManateeDude]

I'm going to freeze the whole game as there's no point in continuing in till the slots are filled

DrDoLittle replaces Lapsa. one more replacement till we can get back on our feet. Thanks!!

[ManateeDude]

Ydrasse replaces ALisae, please welcome them!! game starting up again when I get a VC up and runing with the updated deadline. Thanks for your patience!!

[ManateeDude]

VC1.18

With 21 alive it takes 11 to eliminate

Almost50 (3):

72offsuit, JacksonVirgo, NoPowerOverMe

NorwegianboyEE (2):

Glitch, Town looter

DrDolittle(2):

ralph217, Nero Cain

72offsuit (4):

, Fwesnid, superbowl9, SJReaver, Almost50

NoPowerOverME (2):

Hiraki, Pickaxe Pete

Fwesnid (1):

Marshmallow Marshall

I Keep Siteflaking (1):

Titus

stan1ey (1):

Bell

Not Voting (3):

DrDolittle, Ydrasse, I Keep Siteflaking, stan1ey, NorwegianboyEE

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-08-31 02:30:00)

Mod Notes:

1. finally good to go, make sure to check the new deadline

[Nero Cain]

Who will replace out next?

@ mod

Ralph and I are still voting lapsa.

[ManateeDude]

Who will replace out next?

@ mod

Ralph and I are still voting lapsa.

you are voting Lapsa's replacement

[Ydrasse]

yoohoo everyone!

i will read through this the best i can over the next day or so but i would very much appreciate any sort of tl;dr

[NorwegianboyEE]

Poor poor replacements.

[Ydrasse]

we're truly martyrs, aren't we?

[Nero Cain]

yoohoo everyone!

i will read through this the best i can over the next day or so but i would very much appreciate any sort of tl;dr

Glitch and I go @ it.
Glitch gets ran up and claims a pr that won't be useful until d4.
FWE gets ran up, claims loud 3x gunsmith
norway and a50 go @ it.
that's pretty much all I think

[Bell]

yoohoo everyone!

i will read through this the best i can over the next day or so but i would very much appreciate any sort of tl;dr

Um.
Hi ydrasse,

I guess in summary we wagoned Glitch and he was a power role of some kind, he soft claimed without getting into specficis, then we wagoned fwesnid and he turned out to be a gunsmith.
Now we're just trying to figure out who to vote next really.

[Ydrasse]

okay.

next question: who is scum?