Mini Theme 2158: Cards of Destiny Mafia Game Over

[DoctorPepper]

[Redacted]

FOH with that arrogance

[DoctorPepper]

I'm fucking done

[DoctorPepper]

Flavor leaf, you can fuck right off. Being an arrogant dick doesn't win you mafia

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor leaf, you can fuck right off. Being an arrogant dick doesn't win you mafia

Disagree.

[Flavor Leaf]

I work Market Knowledge on the biggest multinational fast moving consumer goods company. But sure, I have the intellect of a kindergartner for not agreeing with you.

FOH with that arrogance

Just shoot Not Mafia.

I don’t care anymore.

I might leave site again, I forgot how worked up being Town on this site gets me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Me solving with heavy analysis gets me shit too. I solve games left and right as town, but even when I’m the most likable ever, means nothing.

Being a heel on Mafiascum is far superior.

[Ampharos]

hm.

[Flavor Leaf]

I hope to god I’m fucking right on Not Mafia.

[tris]

whatever

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Here's the thing.

I find a discussion on Gamma tomorrow to be more productive because you have more to go off on.

NM? Well half the town will be on him again and since he literally disappeared without reasonable reads, then the discussion fails.

You know why I'm shooting NM?

Town NM would have told me to shoot someone else

Because town NM advocated for the Vig of my scumbuddies in the last game we played together

JFC, Please don't venge me is different from "Venge Gamma/Tris/whoever" instead

Well, I have an entire fuckton of posts to respond to before Maria locks this thread, holy shit, Ah! I have no clue what NM is but on this specific point you are wrong on. Scum!NM would definitely tell you to shoot his buddy in order to distance and I don’t believe it’s FL. NM could still be scum but not telling you to shoot someone else is definitely NOT scum indicative for him.

@Gamma you owe me a fucking apology for repeatedly calling me variations of “stupid” and you had better god damned fucking apologize to me for that!

Anyway, I don’t believe FL is scum here and I still believe he’s wrong on Amy, especially if you’re scum. I would sincerely like to believe that you aren’t capable of being this mean to me and cruel as scum but I then I wouldn’t expect you to ever treat me like this as town either.

I actually think wanting to save NM - irrespective of his flip - is extremely town indicative for FL. Why? Because. I have a theory that if NM is scum here, scum wants him dead to render my role useless. In any case NM is easy misexecutebait if town, so I view trying to save him - rightly or wrongly as probably town indicative.

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

NM is fadeable. If Not Mafia isn’t venged, they will go down still.

Ampharos red flip also would effectively clear both myself and NM.

It would clear you but not NW but nevertheless an extremely silly reason to fade her. You can clear yourself when you paraphrase comments from Pooky tomorrow. Anyone who has any familiarity with Pooky whatsoever will be able to tell if you’re bluffing or not.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

NM is fadeable. If Not Mafia isn’t venged, they will go down still.

Ampharos red flip also would effectively clear both myself and NM.

It would clear you but not NW but nevertheless an extremely silly reason to fade her. You can clear yourself when you paraphrase comments from Pooky tomorrow. Anyone who has any familiarity with Pooky whatsoever will be able to tell if you’re bluffing or not.

~M

@FL, just out of curiosity, what are you going to say if we flip Amy and she’s town? Have you even considered the possibility that you could be wrong on her?

What does worry me the most about Gamma is that he doesn’t have me higher on his readslist. FL confirmed my role is real duh! so how tf am I not locktown for you? Unless you have me lower on your list to reduce my NK equity, I’m really not liking that very much and it’s definitely concerning me.

@Gamma

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

and i'd really like Pepper in there.
can also confirm my role matches my tarot well.

Do you think Devil (assuming it’s real) matches bus driver?

~M

https://www.thetarotguide.com/the-devil

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

and i'd really like Pepper in there.
can also confirm my role matches my tarot well.

Do you think Devil (assuming it’s real) matches bus driver?

~M

yes, actually.

D&D's devil looks like the upright Devil. Gamma's sounds like reversed Devil.

even if Gamma's scum, i believe he's trueclaiming his flavour.

and i'd really like Pepper in there.
can also confirm my role matches my tarot well.

Do you think Devil (assuming it’s real) matches bus driver?

~M

https://www.thetarotguide.com/the-devil

The Devil Tarot card reversed can also indicate a near miss with a negative, harmful or dangerous situation or person. The important message this Major Arcana card brings is to be grateful that you avoided it, learn from it and move forward. Do not fall back into the old bad or risky behaviours that led you so close to danger.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

And if I’m Town

That "if" is almost as sexy as Nancy's in LNT.

~M

[Hayasaka]

You're ignoring a established meta case that NM is a player that as town will both state reads and will be able to do so at a pretty decent accuracy.
Whether or not anyone cares he is able to state reads at some level of accuracy doesn't change the fact that as town having good reads is something he does and likely is something he gives a shit about.

The fact that you think him sitting here doing nothing for 2 phases is an element of his town game is not only an insult to all of us in this game. It is especially an insult to NM who you apparently believe this is in line with his town play.

I also just don't see how it's surface level to say this, when your read boils down to "as scum he would do more and not die" with no relation to his interactions with the flipped scum.

[Hayasaka]

Idk I just don't understand how you can have such a strong desire to defend NM here, I don't think him flipping scum makes you bad or the same thing if he flips town.
I just don't see how with 0 relation to the flipped scum and the linked past NM games as scum you can just look at this case and this it's just total garbage with no bearing on anything.

Unless you really just are that convinced Amy is scum, which tbf is a world I can't relate to because I hard TR the slot.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

can you vote no elim under a gladiate?

also scumslips aren't real

also also tris and i apparently have the same role flavor

so that's interesting.

Huh? Of course they are. Ank had a game where she signed her name as “scum” as opposed to “summer”. Want to take a wild guess what she flipped in that?

That definitely IS

extremely

interesting.

~M

[Ampharos]

i should elaborate on how the claim came about

i asked her in the hood what her flavor was

to which her response was "are you <flavor>? because that's what i am"

so if she's scum she KNEW she has the same flavor as me and claimed it anyways

i think THAT's what i find interesting about the situation

and i'm not 100% sure how to parse it

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

poe at this point is like. n_m gamma tris and then kill FL if he's alive at lylo? something along those lines

if gamma flips town with d&d's flavor i kinda wanna turbo tris

Many people know either me, Auro or Shiro in this game and I will tell him things that certain people in this thread will either know to be true or false. So if FL lies about dead VMP here, he’s toast basically.

I also know very specific things about many people in this playerlist, so you will know whether or not FL’s claim is true or not after we’re dead.

Iow, if FL’s role is real, he will have very specific things to relay to the playerlist that specific players - pretty much everyone but you obviously will be able to either confirm or deny.

Trust me, he 100% won’t be able to fake that as scum. I will make damned sure of it.

~M

[tris]

i should elaborate on how the claim came about

i asked her in the hood what her flavor was

to which her response was "are you <flavor>? because that's what i am"

so if she's scum she KNEW she has the same flavor as me and claimed it anyways

i think THAT's what i find interesting about the situation

and i'm not 100% sure how to parse it

it just made sense that we might. I didn't think about it before because of reasons, but when you were asking what i was, i realized what was probably going on and why you would be asking that.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Town, I'm shooting NM. I'm a bit worried that the optimal scum play in this situation was to be quiet and allow town discussion to revolve around the venge and not other means of scum hunting.

Too many games I played as town where I tunneled another player and scum was in the background being complacent because they weren't suspected.

My twilight statement is for town to analyze whoever was not actively participating in day 2 for tomorrow's Elim.

I mean sure go for Gamma but I'm worried that this fight allows scum to just stay in the background while town implodes

I concur. The coversation is getting to frayed and we need to reel it in.

Just self hammer and resubmit your NM venge please.

Aren’t you reading the thread? FL needs to be the one to hammer.

~M

[tris]

i agree with what haya is saying. your argument for not_mafia town doesn't make sense.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

1954 is also quite suspect imo.

Ironically, you're the player I had in mind in my post 1959

You seriously think scum!BEF would ever be this obvious? He’s still my top town along with locktown KD.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Ironically, you're the player I had in mind in my post 1959

Town, I'm shooting NM. I'm a bit worried that the optimal scum play in this situation was to be quiet and allow town discussion to revolve around the venge and not other means of scum hunting.

I assume you are talking about this part of 1959.

I think we had enough talk about the venge and everything else about today. We already have 3 (and it could be argued undeeded atm) claims from people not in the duel today iirc (FL, VMP and Gamma).

Straying now from the concrete info your flip and the venge flip will give us only muddies the water. Sorry, if I don't want to go deeper today but the focus isn't there.

I didn't think about FL's ability when I asked about the self hammer. I have no problem waiting on that. He can V1 Haya or V1 No Fade and V2 you. What's the problem with that or whatever he wants.

Barring the double vote, I don't 100% believe the rest of his claim and even if he is lying about the 2nd part it isn't AI for FL.

Also, I don't think there is "legally" a way to verify that FL has a PT with Pooky without violating the "discussing ongoing games" rule.

There is once we’re dead. I will tell FL very specific comments about either us or specific players that he would have no way of knowing which specific players will be able to either confirm or deny and if that doesn’t actually happen, you know his ghost part of his PT is complete bs.

~M