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Post Post #2600 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:21 pm

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In post 2589, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2586, Venus Mars and Pluto wrote:
In post 2578, Kaname Date wrote:
In post 2577, Venus Mars and Pluto wrote:Gamma were scum here, why wouldn’t he just not post in his hypothetical PT the exact night he expects us to investigate him, so it’s obviously not a clear and yes, itclearly not a guilty.
but how would Gamma know to avoid posting? as far as i am aware, you didn't claim this aspect of your role until today.

i am also aware the wiki does list it as a possible variation, however, though i had never heard of that before.
Traffic Analyst
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Alignment: any
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A Traffic Analyst is a role that is capable of checking to see whether a player can privately communicate. As an informative role, its night choice is to choose a player, and the analyst will learn whether or not there are any players that that player can legally communicate with outside the game thread. (The identity of the people that the target can communicate with is not learned, nor is the content of the communications.)

Note that merely having access to a private topic is not necessarily enough to be able to communicate; there will have to be a second living player in the private topic in question to communicate with. In general, the role will give a "can communicate" result on a player who shares a private topic with another living player, and also on roles that can use active roles to relay messages via the moderator (such as Mailman and Captain); and a "cannot communicate" result on anyone else.
I kind of think that’s self-evident based off of this, don’t you? Also, just realized from this, that I would have definitely gotten a meaningless positive on jjh because of his crier role.

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I made this point before, but the wiki says “CAN communicate”. Have you not heard the joke about the teacher who responds to “can I use the bathroom” with “I don’t know, can you?” Based on the Wiki, the role shouldn’t get a different result if someone doesn’t actually use it. Now we all know by now Maria didn’t use any level of common sense in role definitions and I’ll be reaming her post game for sure for that + horrible vote tracking, but you can only expect so much, and the fact the role deviates that hard is imo a bit bastard
Well you can take that up with her post-game. :lol:

But yeah, it is on the same night. Our even more useless coroner is every night including the most recent one but it only tell us what actions that player performed, so in the case of a scumflip, we’d find out all of the NAs that player made but not who they had any communication with, so I don’t even understand why we even have such a completely useless role, unless there is literally a janitor in this setup.

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Post Post #2601 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:23 pm

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it doesn't let you see who they targeted?
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Post Post #2602 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:24 pm

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In post 2592, Kaname Date wrote:Mars: okay, i believe you're right in that Gamma could have reasonably believed that you needed a post from him to guilty him and could have avoided that. so it's not an inno.

also, it may be a good idea to simply ask Maria directly if you would get a positive result on the player who is making the crier messages. just to dot all the i's and cross all the t's.

Gamma: do you have a read on jjh?
Dunn literally gave us a link to the Wiki, so I’m assuming yes.

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Post Post #2603 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:27 pm

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In post 2601, Kaname Date wrote:it doesn't let you see who they targeted?
Yes of course but not who they communicated with, so we wouldn’t be able to find out their buddy iow.

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Post Post #2604 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:29 pm

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In post 2587, Gamma Emerald wrote:@Mars I think if tris flips scum it is probably FL.
tris and D&D both generally had weird reads on FL, tris’ first post towards FL is a bit weird, and D&D’s scum pool at one point rule-of-three implicates FL.
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Link or quote?

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Post Post #2605 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:33 pm

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In post 2603, Venus Mars and Pluto wrote:
In post 2601, Kaname Date wrote:it doesn't let you see who they targeted?
Yes of course but not who they communicated with, so we wouldn’t be able to find out their buddy iow.

~M
this is still useful. if a dead scum roleblocker for example is targeted by you, and they targeted someone, that player is probably not scum. am i misunderstanding how it works?
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Post Post #2606 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:35 pm

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In post 630, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:
In post 570, Kaname Date wrote:ugh. i'm gonna be light SRing Ampharos for the whole game, partly in reaction to the townreads she's accruing. what makes this difficult is she's working with a different site culture than what i'm used to. and her play looks high-level, which isn't AI but does always succeed in pressing the paranoia button.
i agree with her takes, i think. to echo her thoughts on Flavor Leaf, i need to see her really push something.
you know, I think I have to take a step back a bit on my ampharos read as well. I thought her presence in the beginning of the game was strong and initially townread her for that, but it’s dropped off a lot since then so she’s probably now close to null for me.

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630 confitowns KD.

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Post Post #2607 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:36 pm

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In post 2173, jjh927 wrote:I would appreciate it if everyone who hasn't already would claim their flavour though

I am the high priestess
i thought you were the hierophant?
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Post Post #2608 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:39 pm

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In post 2605, Kaname Date wrote:
In post 2603, Venus Mars and Pluto wrote:
In post 2601, Kaname Date wrote:it doesn't let you see who they targeted?
Yes of course but not who they communicated with, so we wouldn’t be able to find out their buddy iow.

~M
this is still useful. if a dead scum roleblocker for example is targeted by you, and they targeted someone, that player is probably not scum. am i misunderstanding how it works?
The description is extremely vague. All it tells me is that I’d get all that player’s NAs throughout the entire game but not their results, so really couldn’t answer that.

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Post Post #2609 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:58 pm

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In post 2607, Kaname Date wrote:
In post 2173, jjh927 wrote:I would appreciate it if everyone who hasn't already would claim their flavour though

I am the high priestess
i thought you were the hierophant?
No, I targeted the hierophant n1 because my role targets arcana rather than players

Hierophant isn't in the game
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Post Post #2610 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:06 pm

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aaah, thank you.
does anyone care about my interpretations for whether everyone is the reversed or upright version of their tarot? i have a shitty list of notes.
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Post Post #2611 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:38 pm

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Scum
D&D: The Devil - upright
- 1 shot action negator/mailman
- can PM a message to another player through the mod
- bringing negative tendencies to light, attachment

Town
Pooky: The Magician - upright
- ascetic innocent child Arcana cop
- power, focus, significant ability

DrPepper: Strength - reversed
- vengeful/learns number of players that visit them at night
- self-doubt, inner strength, raw emotional reaction

Not Mafia: Justice - upright
- whatever the hell the first part means
- passive [balance] vote when being voted while not voting another player
- justice, fairness, an equal measured response

Ampharos: The Lovers - reversed
- neighbour with tris
- even night targeted redirector
- hated or loved based on action of target
- self-love, disharmony, strained relationships

???
tris: The Lovers - upright
- neighbourizer/conditional BP with neighbours
- choices, unity of two forces

VMP: The Chariot - reversed
- traffic analyst/coroner
- powerlessness, lack of direction

Flavor Leaf: The Fool - reversed?
- has two votes/medium
- one roleblocks, the other brings the player he is voting into his medium PT during the day
- at night deaths automatically go to his PT
- maybe also a jester
- i'm at a loss regarding the tarot meaning

jjh: High Priestess - upright
- crier/targets Arcana and role hits corresponding player
- subconsciousness (we sleep at night?), intuition, divine wisdom

Hayasaka: The Emperor - reversed
- gladiator/conditional tracker
- domination, asserting control

Gamma: The Devil - reversed
- odd-night bus drive
- freedom from limitations, detachment

Fish: Unclaimed/Tower? - reversed?
- non-consecutive roleblocker
- 1-shot day commuter
- resisting change, delaying disaster

other notes:
the Devil and the Lovers counterpart each other, both representing a relationship between two people and visually echoing each other. it makes sense they're the only Arcana with multiple holders. anyone with more knowledge than me might be able to elaborate on this.




this isn't useful, but i went through the trouble so i'm going to post it for interest's sakem i was hoping something about claims could be discovered but while things
fit
, a lot of it is a fairly loose interpretation from me.
but it's enough i'm unwilling to claim my own arcana today.
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Post Post #2612 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:43 pm

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In post 2573, Venus Mars and Pluto wrote:Yes, BEF rb,
makes Tris 100% guiltied because that proves she couldn’t have been bus driven.


Ok @Gamma, if I’m actually wrong on you, then tell me who is scum? I honestly don’t want to misfade you but based off your play since D2 + doubts about your role + your ridiculous and extremely sketchy attempts to misrep my role, from mpov. who would you think is most logically likely to be scum here?

I honestly want an answer to this because if I’m wrong, you have to give me something to work with here and so far, I’ve come up empty handed.

~M
this is wrong again. same explanation.

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Post Post #2613 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:45 pm

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In post 2575, Kaname Date wrote:
In post 2573, Venus Mars and Pluto wrote:Yes, BEF rb, makes Tris 100% guiltied because that proves she couldn’t have been bus driven.
well... not quite. if Amy was the nightkill target initially, any scum could have killed her, so tris is not 100% guiltied.

and i agree with FL that it was possible for her to be the kill target. so, softguilty at best. this is why i'm reading now.
oh, nice.

I haven't decided the best course of action for my willboost, but I'll think it over with everything in mind.
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Post Post #2614 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:58 pm

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VOTE: 1 Gamma Emerald
VOTE: 2 Tris
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Post Post #2615 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:43 pm

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Spoiler:
In post 2611, Kaname Date wrote:Scum
D&D: The Devil - upright
- 1 shot action negator/mailman
- can PM a message to another player through the mod
- bringing negative tendencies to light, attachment

Town
Pooky: The Magician - upright
- ascetic innocent child Arcana cop
- power, focus, significant ability

DrPepper: Strength - reversed
- vengeful/learns number of players that visit them at night
- self-doubt, inner strength, raw emotional reaction

Not Mafia: Justice - upright
- whatever the hell the first part means
- passive [balance] vote when being voted while not voting another player
- justice, fairness, an equal measured response

Ampharos: The Lovers - reversed
- neighbour with tris
- even night targeted redirector
- hated or loved based on action of target
- self-love, disharmony, strained relationships

???
tris: The Lovers - upright
- neighbourizer/conditional BP with neighbours
- choices, unity of two forces

VMP: The Chariot - reversed
- traffic analyst/coroner
- powerlessness, lack of direction

Flavor Leaf: The Fool - reversed?
- has two votes/medium
- one roleblocks, the other brings the player he is voting into his medium PT during the day
- at night deaths automatically go to his PT
- maybe also a jester
- i'm at a loss regarding the tarot meaning

jjh: High Priestess - upright
- crier/targets Arcana and role hits corresponding player
- subconsciousness (we sleep at night?), intuition, divine wisdom

Hayasaka: The Emperor - reversed
- gladiator/conditional tracker
- domination, asserting control

Gamma: The Devil - reversed
- odd-night bus drive
- freedom from limitations, detachment

Fish: Unclaimed/Tower? - reversed?
- non-consecutive roleblocker
- 1-shot day commuter
- resisting change, delaying disaster

other notes:
the Devil and the Lovers counterpart each other, both representing a relationship between two people and visually echoing each other. it makes sense they're the only Arcana with multiple holders. anyone with more knowledge than me might be able to elaborate on this.




this isn't useful, but i went through the trouble so i'm going to post it for interest's sakem i was hoping something about claims could be discovered but while things
fit
, a lot of it is a fairly loose interpretation from me.
but it's enough i'm unwilling to claim my own arcana today.


I’d say if Tris flips scum lovers, it may possibly point to Gamma!town as well as confirming my scum doppelgänger theory but I dunno but I still thing mechanically the evidence likely points to Tris.

Amy track and she was the only one who expressed strong suspicions of Tris, so Tris could have presumably targeted her, plus the whole “I do” thing still not getting confirmed for me doesn’t seem right, so probably where I’m voting today, barring any new info that could change my mind.

KD/BEF/Hya are my confident townblock, in any case.

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Post Post #2616 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:44 pm

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In post 2614, Flavor Leaf wrote:VOTE: 1 Gamma Emerald
VOTE: 2 Tris
?????

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Post Post #2617 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:50 pm

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In post 2616, Venus Mars and Pluto wrote:
In post 2614, Flavor Leaf wrote:VOTE: 1 Gamma Emerald
VOTE: 2 Tris
?????

~M
In post 2471, Flavor Leaf wrote:My first vote is roleblock.

You’re getting will boosted
You’re williboosting Tris???

Oh you’re mediumizing her?

Oh nm, I guess maybe a williboost isn’t needed then?

Nm, just disregard the earlier post.

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Post Post #2618 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:53 pm

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In post 2609, jjh927 wrote:
In post 2607, Kaname Date wrote:
In post 2173, jjh927 wrote:I would appreciate it if everyone who hasn't already would claim their flavour though

I am the high priestess
i thought you were the hierophant?
No, I targeted the hierophant n1 because my role targets arcana rather than players

Hierophant isn't in the game
What happens when you target arcana that is in the game?

If you already explained this, please link me, thanks.

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Post Post #2619 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:00 pm

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Off chance Tris is town, best to bring her into the medium.

Plus, i can just roleblock Gamma, and if they’re the scum team, it’s gg.
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Post Post #2620 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:39 pm

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In post 2598, Kaname Date wrote:
In post 2595, Gamma Emerald wrote:jjh is locktown for me. I reread that day 2 start message during the time my gambit was happening and figured he was the one who sent it, and I town locked him from that point on
could you explain this in more depth? why can't scum make that crier message?
Well there’s the fact he didn’t seem to expect Poiky to die, that could be faked but I also think between the two messages he’s demonstrated a solid aura of being comfortable, which I think scum wouldn’t feel rn
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Post Post #2621 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:40 pm

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sorry, I need to catch up. does anyone want to tell me something important first?
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Post Post #2622 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:43 pm

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In post 2604, Venus Mars and Pluto wrote:
In post 2587, Gamma Emerald wrote:@Mars I think if tris flips scum it is probably FL.
tris and D&D both generally had weird reads on FL, tris’ first post towards FL is a bit weird, and D&D’s scum pool at one point rule-of-three implicates FL.
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Link or quote?

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Post Post #2623 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:47 pm

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In post 394, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:reads are something like:

{haya}
{ampharos, kaname}
{everyone else}
{gamma, FL, sailor girls}

- Daenerys
This is where I’m seeing a rule of three against Flavor

As for the other things, one is very early in tris’ ISO, and the other is a behavioral pattern, I could cite specific posts but I think it’s better to combined ISO tris and D&D, they both seemed averse to voting Flavor D1, D&D especially
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Post Post #2624 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:48 pm

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In post 2606, Venus Mars and Pluto wrote:
In post 630, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:
In post 570, Kaname Date wrote:ugh. i'm gonna be light SRing Ampharos for the whole game, partly in reaction to the townreads she's accruing. what makes this difficult is she's working with a different site culture than what i'm used to. and her play looks high-level, which isn't AI but does always succeed in pressing the paranoia button.
i agree with her takes, i think. to echo her thoughts on Flavor Leaf, i need to see her really push something.
you know, I think I have to take a step back a bit on my ampharos read as well. I thought her presence in the beginning of the game was strong and initially townread her for that, but it’s dropped off a lot since then so she’s probably now close to null for me.

- Daenerys
630 confitowns KD.

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